I KNOW it's not ALL bad...but THIS is ::)

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I KNOW it's not ALL bad...but THIS is ::)

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They ought to start putting Valium in the punch at those rap events!
::)

You would think they would wait until the show was over so they could fight out in the street. Why did the guy punch out Dr. Dre anyway? And why did Buck have to use a knife to break up the fight? :-\\  >:(

More proof that people with no talent, no brains given money are dangerous combinations. A jackass in a tuxedo is still a jackass. Rap is Crap.

All rap is crap except for OutKast, Coolio, Flavor Flav and Salt & Pepper.  :D

Salt & Pepper.  :D


YEAH, Sa-sa-sa-sa-sa-sa-Salt'n'Peppers is here

More proof that people with no talent, no brains given money are dangerous combinations. A jackass in a tuxedo is still a jackass. Rap is Crap.


Ignorance is a dangerous combination on both sides. Don't generalize an entire genre, especially when it's highly likely that you don't listen to it all! I love rock and roll and I know that there are groups that suck. But, b/c some groups/artists suck that doesn't mean the whole genre sucks.

Tanya

He would have been screwed If Dre had fallen on top if him  :o

Ignorance is a dangerous combination on both sides. Don't generalize an entire genre, especially when it's highly likely that you don't listen to it all! I love rock and roll and I know that there are groups that suck. But, b/c some groups/artists suck that doesn't mean the whole genre sucks.

Tanya


Ah a challenge from Tanya! i love it! First of all generalizing an entire genre? Whether it's hip hop or rap and if so then that's the category where they talk in time to music (because they have no talent to sing?) and usually to the same thumping beat, well then it's open for ANYONE to have an opinion about! It's public domain and you're right I don't listen to much of it- I can't stand more than a second or two. When I do listen in to give it a chance i still hear- people talking in time to music and usually yelling actually. They dress like something's hanging down in the back of their pants like they need their diaper's changed - so how can they be taken serious? They have low IQ names like Co Co Puff P Diddy ding Dong and Snoop Diggity Dawg Biskit or M and M with nuts and they want to be taken serious as an artist? C'mon Tanya "Ignorance" would be to lower our standards so low that we actually can think that they have talent. They've finally created a genre for people wha can't sing and have no talent it's called= C--Rap. Don't get me started...

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He kinda reminds me of a thug. >:(^


Howard

Ah a challenge from Tanya! i love it! First of all generalizing an entire genre? Whether it's hip hop or rap and if so then that's the category where they talk in time to music (because they have no talent to sing?) and usually to the same thumping beat, well then it's open for ANYONE to have an opinion about! It's public domain and you're right I don't listen to much of it- I can't stand more than a second or two. When I do listen in to give it a chance i still hear- people talking in time to music and usually yelling actually. They dress like something's hanging down in the back of their pants like they need their diaper's changed - so how can they be taken serious? They have low IQ names like Co Co Puff P Diddy ding Dong and Snoop Diggity Dawg Biskit or M and M with nuts and they want to be taken serious as an artist? C'mon Tanya "Ignorance" would be to lower our standards so low that we actually can think that they have talent. They've finally created a genre for people wha can't sing and have no talent it's called= C--Rap. Don't get me started...




You are right to a degree. I can't argue about the names some of them call themselves. But, if you have forgotten, I love a band named after bugs -The Beatles (you don't need a high IQ to adore them). One band named the Roots are quite talented. They play their own instruments, provide excellent messages, and are very respected by those outside of the genre.

Let's us not forget the eighties with the hair bands! While we did have some kick a@# bands out there (Poison, Cinderella, Whitesnake), others were basically boys who liked to wear tight pants, scream, and wear makeup.

When I say "Ignorance", what I mean is actually not knowing the entire genre enough (beyond the images and songs often painted on the screen) to discuss it. There are bands and artists out there in the genre who do not get media airplay b/c they are not "controversial" (e.g. do not have video girls, do not rap about negative things, do not curse, or advocate violence). Unfortunately, they are overshadowed by those who generate the most talk (negative) or cash flow.

I'm not a fan of rap at all (my husband is), but as a lover of music, I have listened to many bands/rap artists who are great. I have to defend them b/c of the reasons cited above. I'm a rock fan and I will defend those rock bands/artists overshadowed by those with video girls in their videos and advocating extreme lifestyles, like drug addiction just as well.

Good seeing ya again, Elvis, I was wondering where the h#ll you were!  ;)

Tanya

Ah a challenge from Tanya! i love it! First of all generalizing an entire genre? Whether it's hip hop or rap and if so then that's the category where they talk in time to music (because they have no talent to sing?) and usually to the same thumping beat, well then it's open for ANYONE to have an opinion about! It's public domain and you're right I don't listen to much of it- I can't stand more than a second or two. When I do listen in to give it a chance i still hear- people talking in time to music and usually yelling actually. They dress like something's hanging down in the back of their pants like they need their diaper's changed - so how can they be taken serious? They have low IQ names like Co Co Puff P Diddy ding Dong and Snoop Diggity Dawg Biskit or M and M with nuts and they want to be taken serious as an artist? C'mon Tanya "Ignorance" would be to lower our standards so low that we actually can think that they have talent. They've finally created a genre for people wha can't sing and have no talent it's called= C--Rap. Don't get me started...


Well then you must also hate:
P.O.D.
Rage Against the Machine
and
Linkin Park....all three bands incorporate RAP into their music(though they also sing but that would not matter to you)

Everyone's taste is different,why can't some people respect that?

Ah a challenge from Tanya! i love it! First of all generalizing an entire genre? Whether it's hip hop or rap and if so then that's the category where they talk in time to music (because they have no talent to sing?) and usually to the same thumping beat, well then it's open for ANYONE to have an opinion about! It's public domain and you're right I don't listen to much of it- I can't stand more than a second or two. When I do listen in to give it a chance i still hear- people talking in time to music and usually yelling actually. They dress like something's hanging down in the back of their pants like they need their diaper's changed - so how can they be taken serious? They have low IQ names like Co Co Puff P Diddy ding Dong and Snoop Diggity Dawg Biskit or M and M with nuts and they want to be taken serious as an artist? C'mon Tanya "Ignorance" would be to lower our standards so low that we actually can think that they have talent. They've finally created a genre for people wha can't sing and have no talent it's called= C--Rap. Don't get me started...


Two words that probably turn your stomach-Beastie Boys....hahhahahhahahahahahaha!

Semms ever since this crap has been around..all the homies don't respect anyone as far as blaring this crap all over the place. Listen to it all they want, just keep the sh*t turned DOWN!! I can hear this crap while I'm sitting in my car...thumping from 2 blocks away....I guess the saving grace is that they'll be deaf long before me....maybe THAT'S why they need it turned up so  loud :D

Ther jerk off that lives over the road from me comes home at ungodly hours with that sheeshe thumping away... I have shouted at him many times but he will get the suprise of his life one day, when i pour about a quater gallon of gasoline down his muffler..

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Ther jerk off that lives over the road from me comes home at ungodly hours with that sheeshe thumping away... I have shouted at him many times but he will get the suprise of his life one day, when i pour about a quater gallon of gasoline down his muffler..

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
;D Just feel fortunate that he hasn't shot at you for living on the wrong side of the street....or for looking at him wrong....or for having a certain kind of vehicle. Remember, it's ALL about Him....YO ::)

You are right to a degree. I can't argue about the names some of them call themselves. But, if you have forgotten, I love a band named after bugs -The Beatles (you don't need a high IQ to adore them). One band named the Roots are quite talented. They play their own instruments, provide excellent messages, and are very respected by those outside of the genre.

Let's us not forget the eighties with the hair bands! While we did have some kick a@# bands out there (Poison, Cinderella, Whitesnake), others were basically boys who liked to wear tight pants, scream, and wear makeup.

When I say "Ignorance", what I mean is actually not knowing the entire genre enough (beyond the images and songs often painted on the screen) to discuss it. There are bands and artists out there in the genre who do not get media airplay b/c they are not "controversial" (e.g. do not have video girls, do not rap about negative things, do not curse, or advocate violence). Unfortunately, they are overshadowed by those who generate the most talk (negative) or cash flow.

I'm not a fan of rap at all (my husband is), but as a lover of music, I have listened to many bands/rap artists who are great. I have to defend them b/c of the reasons cited above. I'm a rock fan and I will defend those rock bands/artists overshadowed by those with video girls in their videos and advocating extreme lifestyles, like drug addiction just as well.

Good seeing ya again, Elvis, I was wondering where the h#ll you were!  ;)

Tanya


Hey back Tanya,  (I've been busy recording and writing)
We again agree and disagree which is what makes this a great country. I know rock bands are named weird names and that's a "cool" thing for some, as we age and mature it simply becomes dumb. Young minds are easily influenced by our entertainers but how many still have their 70's afros when they're 50 and walk around in bell bottoms and tye-died shirts later in their life? It's sad to think our young folk are being force fed this rap as talent and they hopefully will otgrow it with time. I'm hard on rap artist (if you can call them that) because, like you we both know of a lot of real talented artist who cannot get the time of day or airplay and many of the so-called stars of rap send negative messages in their "talikng in time to the music" songs. I feel strongly about giving talented folk their due but if you can't sing stay out of the music business please. R and R fan I can relate. Tanya, Your Beatles could sing with perfect pitch harmony, they were outstanding musicians and good writers, I respect that and I believe they were not named after a bug but a take off on the word BEAT which was a hip English word in those days. I just want America to stay known as the trendsetters in music all over and Rap is a giant step backwards and downwards. We send as message that "it doesn't matter if you can sing or not- wanna be a star? just be a thug and talk in time to the thumping music and Bam! You're a star and Wham Bam Daddy Dawg can be your new name. Don't get me started.... 

;D Just feel fortunate that he hasn't shot at you for living on the wrong side of the street....or for looking at him wrong....or for having a certain kind of vehicle. Remember, it's ALL about Him....YO ::)


Yeah WORD! Yeah, who de man and all that what not.. yes yes.. i am most definatley the player Yo indeed my homeo!

Hmmm i make fun but you have to laugh.

For instance, my friend Jonathon is black and it pisses him off. He says that it makes other black guys look like idiots because these guys insist on talking and acting like Morons. It's true, the acts of the few bringing down the many. Tell me honestly how many of you think that every Mexican is gonna have a gun and is gonna steal your Hubcaps. Of course he freaking isn't, but the few jerks who do make the stereotypes and re-enforce them.

All stereotypes come from a small bit of truth.

Well then you must also hate:
P.O.D.
Rage Against the Machine
and
Linkin Park....all three bands incorporate RAP into their music(though they also sing but that would not matter to you)

Everyone's taste is different,why can't some people respect that?


Hey Tonya20fan,
Ya see how easy it is to dis respect others people's different tastses? You just dis respected mine. I think anyone who can't sing shouldn't be called a singer or an artist in music. It's that simple. It ain't cool to promote hatred, violence and dispespect for women in songs from lowlifes who cannot sing and then have the audacity to call it talent! Don't get me started...
Now to answer your questions=- P.O.D.- Never heard of em'      Rage - Thought that was the name of an album and Linkin Park I think I caught a video by them and they were shouting angrily at the screen and Guess what? It was a love song!!! Man I'd hate for them to sing a really angry song if that was the way they sing a love song. Sorry, my tastses are just that i like my love songs to sound loving and the singers I prefer can actually sing! Why that is abnormal is abnormal in itself.

Hey, Elvis!!!!!

I do agree with using the term "artist" with those who are not artistic, but I still beg to differ that there are some rap artists who are actually good. Outkast and the Roots are some of them. They do not advocate any violence or negativity in their music and for this reason, they are highly respected by other musicians. Unfortunately, they are overshadowed by the music most companies make the most money of. It's disturbing, really.

But, always remember, everything you said was said just about 50 years ago about Rock and Roll. Hopefully, we will grow. The cycle will turn again and we just have to be patient. But, I urge you to take a listen to the two groups I've mentioned. While your opinion may not completely change, it may soften a little.

Peace,
Tanya

Hey, Elvis!!!!!

I do agree with using the term "artist" with those who are not artistic, but I still beg to differ that there are some rap artists who are actually good. Outkast and the Roots are some of them. They do not advocate any violence or negativity in their music and for this reason, they are highly respected by other musicians. Unfortunately, they are overshadowed by the music most companies make the most money of. It's disturbing, really.

But, always remember, everything you said was said just about 50 years ago about Rock and Roll. Hopefully, we will grow. The cycle will turn again and we just have to be patient. But, I urge you to take a listen to the two groups I've mentioned. While your opinion may not completely change, it may soften a little.

Peace,
Tanya
I agree with you...it's sad how the rich show offs blow it for the nice ones. However, I think today is much worse than 50 years ago...yes, there were street gangs but the bloodshed today is far worse. Yeah, Rock and Roll was about rebellion, love and peace..while rap is mostly about murder. And the mentality?? Yo...you looked at me funny so I'm gonna cap your @ss ::)

Rap is not about murder. That's the sad thing. You have a sub-group that's overly publicized by the media b/c that's what they talk about and the consequence is that the whole genre gets painted ugly. Rap never was about that. It was about partying, having fun with friends, political, and social messages.

Once you eliminate that ugly sub-group then what the genre was really about shines. Unfortunately, the media and music companies screw it up. Some rock and roll bands talked about drugs and sex and all, but it didn't mean everyone did it.

It's just an ugly set of circumstances placed upon the whole genre b/c of greed.

Tanya

Hey, Elvis!!!!!

I do agree with using the term "artist" with those who are not artistic, but I still beg to differ that there are some rap artists who are actually good. Outkast and the Roots are some of them. They do not advocate any violence or negativity in their music and for this reason, they are highly respected by other musicians. Unfortunately, they are overshadowed by the music most companies make the most money of. It's disturbing, really.

But, always remember, everything you said was said just about 50 years ago about Rock and Roll. Hopefully, we will grow. The cycle will turn again and we just have to be patient. But, I urge you to take a listen to the two groups I've mentioned. While your opinion may not completely change, it may soften a little.

Peace,

Hey again Tanya,  I responded to you once before but it didn't get posted for some "strange" reason. I will listen to Outkast/ Roots but if they "talk in time to music" no thanks i've heard enough of that junk. I am open to all new styles and sounds but I won't tolerate untalented folk getting praised for doing nothing but talking while there are many extremely talented singers and bands with new styles playing everynight in clubs who cannot get the time of day from record producers. Tanya, the difference in now than back then is this- the rock pioneers could sing most rappers do not or cannot. It's simple. Another Example- listening to bluegrass music will make me confess to things i've never done but I still respect the talent of the singers and musicians. I cannot do that with rappers. I admire talent- not thugs with a mike in their hands. Forgive me if I haven't seen those supposedly "talented" rappers yet, I can't stomach very long people yelling at me from the stage in anger or will I keep silent about a public venue like music that i love so well being degraded. And by the way- Beastie Boys? If they yell at me or "talk in time to music and don't sing" , they don't exist on my music chart. 
Tanya

Yeah just a point here Elvis..

If you don't like music that involves Violence, negativity and any sort of hatred, then what the hell do you listen to.. Bach?

Just about anything can be constued as Negative.. or violent or not liking somebody.

For instance i am listing to Bowling for soup right now.. nice band right.. oh my god one of the guys just said "He's such an Ass"

Well, thats out the window.. i'm not makin fun of you, but just about all music has a negative element to it, Rap music is the same. Now im a metal fan dude, rap is not my thing, but some is creative and original, and if you think somebody talking in a song isn't artistic.. well then i don't know what to say. Think of it as a poem with a beat.

Rap is not music,it's a message for all my homies out there.PEACE,MY BROTHERS! ;D ;D



Howard

Semms ever since this crap has been around..all the homies don't respect anyone as far as blaring this crap all over the place. Listen to it all they want, just keep the sh*t turned DOWN!! I can hear this crap while I'm sitting in my car...thumping from 2 blocks away....I guess the saving grace is that they'll be deaf long before me....maybe THAT'S why they need it turned up so  loud :D



I agree with you Mark.Why can't they just listen to us and and turn down their music?  >:(



Howard

I see what you are saying, Elvis. As for bluegrass, the only examples I've enjoyed stem from the "O Brother where art thou" soundtrack. However, as every rock and roll star cannot be labelled as heroin-addicted, groupie loving screamers, not every rapper should be labelled as a thug. Don't consider a whole batch of cookies bad b/c one got burned in the baking process.

Alchoholica, you raise a very strong point, every form of music has some negativity or violent content. Shoot, the Beatles had a song called "Run For Your Life" (a song about a man telling a girl he will kill her if he sees her with someone else) and the Police had a song called "Every Breath You Take", a song about stalking! This song is played at weddings! Go figure.

Tanya

Here's some rappers/ rap groups that I like to mention that aren't like 50 Cent, Jay Z, Eminem, etc. that might change some opnions about the whole genre:



Outkast, Black Eyed Peas, The Roots, and  A Tribe Called Quest.

I'll admit that there are some decent rappers..my only point was that I've NEVER heard anything but Rap from blocks away....turn it DOWN

Rap is not about murder. That's the sad thing. You have a sub-group that's overly publicized by the media b/c that's what they talk about and the consequence is that the whole genre gets painted ugly. Rap never was about that. It was about partying, having fun with friends, political, and social messages.

Once you eliminate that ugly sub-group then what the genre was really about shines. Unfortunately, the media and music companies screw it up. Some rock and roll bands talked about drugs and sex and all, but it didn't mean everyone did it.

It's just an ugly set of circumstances placed upon the whole genre b/c of greed.

Tanya
You are very RIGHT saying that.

These are who I think are actually great rap ARTISTS:
Arrested Development(anyone remember their song called TENNESSEE?).....I had their tape and wore it out...they were NOT about violence and murder but WERE all about PEACE...!

De La Soul

P.M. Dawn......Thinking of "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss" as I'm typing this.

and of course,
P.O.D.(yeah they're nu-metal,yeah they're Christians....but I happen to think frontman Sonny Sandoval writes lyrics that are uplifting,and yeah I think he's cool anyways)

I actually can take or leave most rappers though...

I see what you are saying, Elvis. As for bluegrass, the only examples I've enjoyed stem from the "O Brother where art thou" soundtrack. However, as every rock and roll star cannot be labelled as heroin-addicted, groupie loving screamers, not every rapper should be labelled as a thug. Don't consider a whole batch of cookies bad b/c one got burned in the baking process.

Alchoholica, you raise a very strong point, every form of music has some negativity or violent content. Shoot, the Beatles had a song called "Run For Your Life" (a song about a man telling a girl he will kill her if he sees her with someone else) and the Police had a song called "Every Breath You Take", a song about stalking! This song is played at weddings! Go figure.

Tanya


Hey Tanya,
True, to judge everyone for a few thugs is wrong. My point is junk passing for talent and dispite all the recommendations I've gotten from you guys to listen to good rap- I've yet to hear any. Once again "talking in time to music" isn't talent- no matter how you yell it or how well the back up music is. Yes, rock n roll has many "suicidal" drug od's but think about this- of all the genres of music which genre has murdered their fellow artists the most? Now remember Rock's been around since the early 50's and country's been around for ever and bluegrass has forever..Your answer should tell you that the short few years rap has been around is dominated mostly by thugs- hopefully the positive rap will overtake it but I'm sorry I  just don't see it. Controversial songs sell because it hits that rebellious nerve center in us all- it becomes dangerous when it effects an impressionable mind who is too immature to see that the song is simply a song and not an anthem.
Off the track a bit here Tanya but I know you're a Beatles fan so- On an album called Meet the Beatles there is a song I liked a lot called "Anna" do you know of it?                        Talk to ya later, Elvis

IMO, there is good and bad rap.  Some artists actually DO sing AND rap.  Unfortunately, like everything else, it's the bad ones that give the good ones a bad name.


I agree with 80s, eg. there is a rap song by Eminem and a British female vocalist, Dado, that is hauntingly beautiful, called Stan.

Yeah just a point here Elvis..

If you don't like music that involves Violence, negativity and any sort of hatred, then what the hell do you listen to.. Bach?

Just about anything can be constued as Negative.. or violent or not liking somebody.

For instance i am listing to Bowling for soup right now.. nice band right.. oh my god one of the guys just said "He's such an a**"

Well, thats out the window.. i'm not makin fun of you, but just about all music has a negative element to it, Rap music is the same. Now im a metal fan dude, rap is not my thing, but some is creative and original, and if you think somebody talking in a song isn't artistic.. well then i don't know what to say. Think of it as a poem with a beat.


Hey Alchoholica,
No, I don't listen to much Bach but if we are comparing talents, Bach has more talent in his little finger than the "rappers" do in all their diarhea mouths. Yes. there is much negativity in music but there is much love and inspiration also- it's a choice and I choose life and not death.
If Bowling for Soup does it for you -fine. It doesn't for me- so that's fine too. My point that everyone keeps twisting is the bare fact that "talking in time to music" is not singing and takes no talent. I did like your suggestion of thinking of it as poetry with a beat but, the problem with that is if those so called rap guys will be the ones reading the poetry then I don't want poetry read to me by yelling and cussing either. When someone's vocabulary is so llimited that they have to cuss to make a point and anger is so evident in their tone of delivery, then sell it somewhere else- I don't take C- rap from no thug, no matter what the popular opinion is.  

IMO, there is good and bad rap.  Some artists actually DO sing AND rap.  Unfortunately, like everything else, it's the bad ones that give the good ones a bad name.


Missy Elliott and Queen Latifa actually have very nice singing voices :) Kid Rock has also been known to sing (Only God Knows Why, Picture). 

I agree with 80s, eg. there is a rap song by Eminem and a British female vocalist, Dado, that is hauntingly beautiful, called Stan.


Just remember that the beautiful rap of "Stan" is about somebody who ties up his girlfriend, throws her into the trunk of his car, and then drives off a bridge.  ::)

"Stan" raps about how his girl will suffocate in the trunk, which is preferable because she will suffer more than if he slit her throat...

Just remember that the beautiful rap of "Stan" is about somebody who ties up his girlfriend, throws her into the trunk of his car, and then drives off a bridge.  ::)

"Stan" raps about how his girl will suffocate in the trunk, which is preferable because she will suffer more than if he slit her throat...


For me, I don't dwell on song lyrics, it's just music and I'll sing it, play it, or just listen. Are you inferring that songs like Stan, Helter Skelter, or other songs may influence some individuals to act out the song lyrics?. Is it that the lyrics to Stan are bad in your opinion, therfore I should not like the song or at least heed the dark stroy behind the lyrics? I don't even know the lyrics, I liked seeing Dado sing, and when Eminem rapped, it had a good beat. There are plenty of songs that have espoused violence, disrespect, murder.  Other songs are about love, religion, surfing, etc.  What's your point?

For me, I don't dwell on song lyrics, it's just music and I'll sing it, play it, or just listen. Are you inferring that songs like Stan, Helter Skelter, or other songs may influence some individuals to act out the song lyrics?


My opinion is that "Stan" will not inspire anybody to go out and throw their significant other in the trunk and then drive into the drink.

I was simply beig a smart-aleck.  ;)

Hey Alchoholica,
No, I don't listen to much Bach but if we are comparing talents, Bach has more talent in his little finger than the "rappers" do in all their diarhea mouths. Yes. there is much negativity in music but there is much love and inspiration also- it's a choice and I choose life and not death.
If Bowling for Soup does it for you -fine. It doesn't for me- so that's fine too. My point that everyone keeps twisting is the bare fact that "talking in time to music" is not singing and takes no talent. I did like your suggestion of thinking of it as poetry with a beat but, the problem with that is if those so called rap guys will be the ones reading the poetry then I don't want poetry read to me by yelling and cussing either. When someone's vocabulary is so llimited that they have to cuss to make a point and anger is so evident in their tone of delivery, then sell it somewhere else- I don't take C- rap from no thug, no matter what the popular opinion is. 


He actually has more talent in his toe nail.. but we won't dwell on that.

If you don't like cussin and swearing, then errrmm, do you not watch TV... do you not go to the Movies. I appreciate that Rap contains far more expletives than most things but at the moment i am listning to a Metallica album (Master of Puppets to be exact) Hell of a lot of cussin in that yet they are renowned as one of the greatest reveloutinary artists in music.. ever!

Fact is that useing 'foul' language is gonna happen.. say the F word out loud and figure our how many things rhyme with it and how many contexts you can use that word in. A lot.
To be honest wether or not people like rap music dosent bother me, i am not a big fan althogh some i can.. listen to.. as such.
However what you must consider is that although there vocabularys may be stunted is your's.. is mine, yet i know i cuss a lot, and it wouldn't shock me if you did. Like i say, say it out loud and see what rhymes with it.

He actually has more talent in his toe nail.. but we won't dwell on that.

If you don't like cussin and swearing, then errrmm, do you not watch TV... do you not go to the Movies. I appreciate that Rap contains far more expletives than most things but at the moment i am listning to a Metallica album (Master of Puppets to be exact) Hell of a lot of cussin in that yet they are renowned as one of the greatest reveloutinary artists in music.. ever!

Fact is that useing 'foul' language is gonna happen.. say the F word out loud and figure our how many things rhyme with it and how many contexts you can use that word in. A lot.
To be honest wether or not people like rap music dosent bother me, i am not a big fan althogh some i can.. listen to.. as such.
However what you must consider is that although there vocabularys may be stunted is your's.. is mine, yet i know i cuss a lot, and it wouldn't shock me if you did. Like i say, say it out loud and see what rhymes with it.


First things first, yes I watch Tv (with so little worth watching the Travel Channel is becoming my escape route) and I do go to the movies ( but I do my research before I go to keep from being ripped off by another un-original Hollywood fiasco) but just because many things ryhmes with the F word doesn't mean it should. It is a kindergarten mentality to use that as an excuse to make up ryhmes. The key to great songwriting and great songs are to tell a story with poetic lyrics with a singer who has truth in his vocals not yelling it at us with gutter language. I'm not into metal either, I will say they have some talented musicians but their screaming vocals make me turn it off. My vocabulary is not stunted and i will never resort to cussing to make a point or write a song, It would take a moron to sit around talking to himself in his creative head saying, "now let me see what rhymes with the F word? If that's the case he shouldn't be a songwriter. Don't get me started... 

Hmmmm i can accept your points there, but you talk about a singer coming out with the truth.. what if he feels very strongly about something.. whats he gonna say then.. to make more of an impact at the end of the day he/she is gonna want to use some 'choice' language.
I agree that i don't like some rapper going along with F'n this Bitch that, but at the end of the day he is just expressing himself in a way he feels comfortable with.

Ok, I know I'll get blasted for this, but here goes.  Up until this past Saturday, I really didn't care for rap either.  However, I went to a concert that was awesome!  I saw hard rock/metal, rap, and rock all in the same show.  The best part, the lyrics didn't contain a single cuss word and had good meaning!  The groups, you ask?  The first group, Day of Fire, was fronted by Joshua Brown who used to be the lead singer with Full Devil Jacket.  The second performer/group was tobyMac of DC Talk fame.  The last headlining group was Third Day.  Awesome performance by all three groups.  There were some fun, funky beats in the rap portion of the show, some head banging in the metal portion and good ole' Southern Rock in the last portion.

If you want rap with a good meaning that isn't about killing everyone and full of bad language, check out tobyMac's "Diverse City."  His album is about how people of all races and cultures should strive for unity with each other.  

Hmmmm i can accept your points there, but you talk about a singer coming out with the truth.. what if he feels very strongly about something.. whats he gonna say then.. to make more of an impact at the end of the day he/she is gonna want to use some 'choice' language.
I agree that i don't like some rapper going along with F'n this b*tc* that, but at the end of the day he is just expressing himself in a way he feels comfortable with.


Just because you feel strongly about something doesn't mean you have to cuss. "To make more of an impact" ?? Just because someone cusses doesn't leave me feeling they made more of an impact- It makes me feel they have a filthy mouth. "Expressing themselves" should be through their singing talent (if they could sing) which is what artist should do, and if they have to cuss to express themselves the way they are "comfortable" with...then choose another profession-  maybe night club comic. No excuses for rude and crude language, no matter how many words ryhme with the F word. That is one word out a million in our vocabulary and we have to hear that one ryhmed to over and over? Face it, shock sells CD's- Madonna has made a career out of shocking the public to keep herself popular. It's about $$$$ and sense- as long as we don't wise up and get some sense they keep getting the $$$$'s. Don't get me started...

I agree that the bad spoil it for the good...but what about the NOISE!!??

OK I guess that I will weigh in on this issue.

First off, music of all genres has its share of rude and nasty lyrics.  That includes country, rock, bluegass, and so on.  Songs like Zepplin's "Whole Lotta Lotta Love" or Aerosmith's "Walk this Way" had their share of innuendo or flat-out dirty lyrics.  And don't forget some of Prince's choice lyrics, or the bawdy talk in AC/DC's "Back in Black" album.  Fair enough.

But the "Rap Crap" generally has MUCH more pervasively crude and demeaning and explicit lyrics that objectify, degrade, and demean women and which glorify drugs and the "thug life" explicitly.  That is wmy most rap lyrics, when they are brodcast on the airwaves, are heavily "bleeped out", as opposed to the much more rrare bleeping of rock/country tracks.

The filthy talk and the degradation are done for pure shock value because the artists do not have the creativity or the education to express themselves in any other way.

Listening to rap is like going to a strip bar.  You walk in, see the naked girls, and then what?  The shock value has been spent and then all you have is a bunch of naked chicks prancing around.  Boring after about 10 minutes.  Gratuitous shock value that presents nothing "new" except being at the strip show "scene".  The next week when the "new girl" comes in, its the same stuff in a new package.  No growth, nothing to gain.

And that's my assessment of Rap Crap.

I'll admit that there are some decent rappers..my only point was that I've NEVER heard anything but Rap from blocks away....turn it DOWN


I think it's the teenagers these days who like to impress their friends or the girls inside other cars who slide open the windows so the whole neighborhood can hear it. >:(


Howard

I agree that the bad spoil it for the good...but what about the NOISE!!??



Well,they won't exactly listen to you.They'll snub you and drive off like you never said anything at all. ::)


Howard

First things first, yes I watch Tv (with so little worth watching the Travel Channel is becoming my escape route) and I do go to the movies ( but I do my research before I go to keep from being ripped off by another un-original Hollywood fiasco) but just because many things ryhmes with the F word doesn't mean it should. It is a kindergarten mentality to use that as an excuse to make up ryhmes. The key to great songwriting and great songs are to tell a story with poetic lyrics with a singer who has truth in his vocals not yelling it at us with gutter language. I'm not into metal either, I will say they have some talented musicians but their screaming vocals make me turn it off. My vocabulary is not stunted and i will never resort to cussing to make a point or write a song, It would take a moron to sit around talking to himself in his creative head saying, "now let me see what rhymes with the F word? If that's the case he shouldn't be a songwriter. Don't get me started...
Hey,did it ever occur to you that rock and roll singers over the years used non-expletive deleted words to write some pretty risque stuff...for example Aerosmith's WALK THIS WAY! Also Jim Morrison's thinly disguised lust for Mother in 'The End'?(which is the song that got the Doors fired from the Whisky-a-Go-Go,btw!)

Hey,did it ever occur to you that rock and roll singers over the years used non-expletive deleted words to write some pretty risque stuff...for example Aerosmith's WALK THIS WAY! Also Jim Morrison's thinly disguised lust for Mother in 'The End'?(which is the song that got the Doors fired from the Whisky-a-Go-Go,btw!)


No doubt, Tony20fan4ever.  Aerosmith was not exactly singing about baked goods.

But the "Rap Genre" recordings contain pervasive, explicit and incessant vulgarity.  The whole essence of rap is violence and disrepect towards women.

You can play "Walk this Way" on the car radio with little kids in the car, and they likely will not know what the song means until they are in their mid teens.  But if you play them rap music at even a young age, they'll gow up to be misogynist foul-mouths.

But if you play them rap music at even a young age, they'll gow up to be misogynist foul-mouths.


Eh, my spawn will learn the foul mouth from me. He won't need music for that. Even as I type this, Rice Cube is plotting ways to keep me from cussing. Not like it's going to work though. :)

Hey,did it ever occur to you that rock and roll singers over the years used non-expletive deleted words to write some pretty risque stuff...for example Aerosmith's WALK THIS WAY! Also Jim Morrison's thinly disguised lust for Mother in 'The End'?(which is the song that got the Doors fired from the Whisky-a-Go-Go,btw!)
Exactly, Morrison disguised it....SOME rappers say F this and F that! Also, I grew up in the 60's and 70's and never heard unbearably loud music from 2 blocks away coming from a car :D ;)

1. Elvis, hey sweetheart, yes I know about "Anna" the flipside to "Run to Your Life" actually.

2. Mark, as far as Noise is concerned, let's not go there. We know plenty of metal/nu-metal/punk bands that were nothing but noise. As for the blasting of music, that's the inconsideration of those blasting the music. It doesn't say anything about the music. If you hear a couple having sex loudly, are you going to ask that sex be stopped?

3. Let's stop saying all rap has degrading, profane, or violent lyrics b/c I will bet everything I have that everyone here hasn't listened to every rap song ever recorded. In addition, let's stop calling all rap artists "thugs" b/c they all aren't. I can easily generalize many groups of people (from Southerners to men to Christians) just by the actions of a few.

Number 3 is my primary reason for posting in this thread.

Tanya

Mark,  If you hear a couple having sex loudly, are you going to ask that sex be stopped?

Tanya

Not if I'm involved!  :D

You dirty dog!!!!!  ;) ;D ;D

Tanya :P

Sorry i was late replying.

Right elvis man, again i can accept that you don't like expletive laden tracks, however as the point has been made, expletives are used in all types of music by all types of artist.
Dude i think Madonna's ability to bring tears to peoples eye's with such beauty and depth in her songs has also helped her sell a few million (although yes she has made some comebacks involving shock, but she is an outlandish person)
So somebody that listens to Rap music has no sense? Again i am not a big rap fan but hell through on some of the stuff from the early 90's and i'll be right there bopping away.
I have a track for you, Express Yourself by NWA. OK they were a pretty freaking hardcore group and a lot of there tracks involved killing, rape, assault and just general behaviour you woulnd't accept at your local 7-11, but listen to that track then tell me they are all thugs.

Sorry i was late replying.


Dude i think Madonna's ability to bring tears to peoples eye's
I actually liked her song featured in the movie: "A League Of Thier Own"...forgive my ignorance but is it called.."This Used To Be My Playground"??

Pariah Carey doesn't bring tears to my eyes, so much as blood to my ears :D

Exactly, Morrison disguised it....SOME rappers say F this and F that! Also, I grew up in the 60's and 70's and never heard unbearably loud music from 2 blocks away coming from a car :D ;)


Mark,I was born in the 70's and during the early 1980's you would never hear loud music blasting from the loudspeakers. ::)


Howard

Mark,I was born in the 70's and during the early 1980's you would never hear loud music blasting from the loudspeakers. ::)


Howard
I hear ya, Howard!  I remember rocking out...loud...but NOT where it drove people blocks away..crazy :D Also, they LOVE to STEAL sample LOTS of ROCK music...'cause they haven't the talent to write and play thier own stuff ::)

I hear ya, Howard!  I remember rocking out...loud...but NOT where it drove people blocks away..crazy :D Also, they LOVE to STEAL sample LOTS of ROCK music...'cause they haven't the talent to write and play thier own stuff ::)



It's like I'm walking down the street,I can almost feel the sidewalk below me vibrate. ::)


Howard

You dirty dog!!!!!  ;) ;D ;D

Tanya :P
Hey...I'm not a dog ;D

Hey...I'm not a dog ;D


Hee Hee! Being a bad boy has its benefits!

Tanya

I hear ya, Howard!  I remember rocking out...loud...but NOT where it drove people blocks away..crazy :D Also, they LOVE to STEAL sample LOTS of ROCK music...'cause they haven't the talent to write and play thier own stuff ::)


Don't forget this can be applied to all musicians. Everyone's taking from everyone nowadays.

Tanya

Hee Hee! Being a bad boy has its benefits!

Tanya
Well...I have yet to experience any :D

They don't have to drive cars, they have no annoying bosses (all though the boss where I work isn't annoying), they sleep whenever they want too, run around outside.... I wish I was a dog!

I hear ya, Howard! I remember rocking out...loud...but NOT where it drove people blocks away..crazy :D Also, they LOVE to STEAL sample LOTS of ROCK music...'cause they haven't the talent to write and play thier own stuff ::)
Hey,wait a minute there,are you saying that rappers like P.O.D. 'sample' music? P.O.D.'s music is the real deal and not sampled.....

and to Mr.ElVis........P.O.D.'s lyrics are clean.......they are Christians and would never use filth words in their songs!

Hey,wait a minute there,are you saying that rappers like P.O.D. 'sample' music? P.O.D.'s music is the real deal and not sampled.....

and to Mr.ElVis........P.O.D.'s lyrics are clean.......they are Christians and would never use filth words in their songs!
Naw Man....I'm just saying that Some do that...not all Rap is bad :)

Naw Man....I'm just saying that Some do that...not all Rap is bad :)



some rap is pretty educational. :)

Howard

More proof that people with no talent, no brains given money are dangerous combinations. A jackass in a tuxedo is still a jackass. Rap is Crap.
Are you referring to rap or George Bush?

some rap is pretty educational. :)

Howard


How exactly?  ;D

Are you referring to rap or George Bush?
No...maybe Theresa Heinz-Kerry :D

How exactly?  ;D
Some of it is like KRS-One,Gangstarr had this song about early jazz musicians which was very educational more of the old school rap is more educational and fun.Alot of these new gangsta rappers are just wannabes who act tough but are wimps like JA RULE and EMIMEM.Sometimes rappers are trying to teach lessons by not living the lifestyle they are rappin about because you will end up in jail or dead.Then some are living that lifestyle showing "how tough they are or wannabe"

I love how everyone is spouting about violence in rap. Has anyone been paying attention to the NBA lately? THOSE guys are the role models for your children and you're worrying about some guy cussing and talking about his life? You're complaining about loud music? Sure, that's so much more harmful for your kids than seeing their heroes beat up fans or get tasered by the police for unruly behavior. ::)

You would think they would wait until the show was over so they could fight out in the street. Why did the guy punch out Dr. Dre anyway? And why did Buck have to use a knife to break up the fight? :-\\  >:(


Ok seems to me like everyone hates hip hop/rap.  But that's what this is mainly about, is it?  The article was about Dre about to get punched or did, and that Buck had a knife.  Look to answer your question, if you read the whole article it said maybe Suge Knight (CEO of what was Death Row Records) had someone punch him.  Who knows.  That maybe true, if you knew the past. 

Here's some rappers/ rap groups that I like to mention that aren't like 50 Cent, Jay Z, Eminem, etc. that might change some opnions about the whole genre:

Outkast, Black Eyed Peas, The Roots, and  A Tribe Called Quest


have you ever heard the first Outkast album?  My favorite songs were "Southernplayalistacadillacmuzik", Git Up, Git Out", "Players Ball", and "Funky Ride".

Q: Where did country music come about?
A:  Incest.

** I guarantee all country music artist parents are some how related. **

Some of it is like KRS-One,Gangstarr had this song about early jazz musicians which was very educational more of the old school rap is more educational and fun.Alot of these new gangsta rappers are just wannabes who act tough but are wimps like JA RULE and EMIMEM.Sometimes rappers are trying to teach lessons by not living the lifestyle they are rappin about because you will end up in jail or dead.Then some are living that lifestyle showing "how tough they are or wannabe"


Thanks for the answer!

How exactly?  ;D


Well I guess you'd have to listen to songs about staying in school,not doing drugs,smoking,having sex,abstinence,etc...


Howard



Howard

If gangsta crappers are as hard as they say they are, why do they need weapon-toting entourages to protect them? Even if they do fight face-to-face, it never seems to get resolved, just escalated. I could be the hardest mofo on the planet, given enough protection 8)...to me, gangsta rappers always seem to be trying to compensate for something- perhaps that's also why they have a tendency to grab their crotches, although the grabbing crotch thing could be some sort of reference to the fact that they're diseased down there from all their imaginery conquests... ;D

Why is it that some people on this thread think ALL rappers are bad just because of the FEW that actually are?

Here are the only rappers I really like:

Naughty By Nature
LL Cool J
Beastie Boys
Run-DMC
House Of Pain('Jump Around' best early 90's rap!)
Sugarhill Gang
ALL of the above are old school rappers.....

Why is it that some people on this thread think ALL rappers are bad just because of the FEW that actually are?

Here are the only rappers I really like:

Naughty By Nature
LL Cool J
Beastie Boys
Run-DMC
House Of Pain('Jump Around' best early 90's rap!)
Sugarhill Gang
ALL of the above are old school rappers.....



Beastie Boys, House of Pain, and RUN DMC are my favorites too!