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Almost none of those are punk.
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I agree, but be gracious there's no Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, Yellowcard, etc. on there...

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it depends on what you consider punk. theres old school and new school. im not a big fan of old school. and yes alot of these cross the lines of emo but they are what is now known as punk.
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Yeah I think they were refering to old school punk like The Ramones.  The bands today are more of a mix between rock and punk, hince the genre Punk-Rock.

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I'm a punk, but I'm into the punk music of the U.K in the late 70s. I'm seriously addicted to that stuff, like the Clash, Sex Pistols, Siouxsee and the Banshees, countless others, and of course, my fave, Adam and the Ants.

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Yes, I agree. That was real punk. It was another thing that came from America that the British perfected, just like rock'n'roll itself. Most of the recent bands mentioned, I have never heard of before in my life. Real punk died with Sid Vicious. Anything that remains now is just punk wannabes trying to rehash it into something awful.

For you Canadians, or anyone who happens to get MuchMusic, here's an interesting and amusing quote from Ed The Sock from Fromage '03 about the group Good Charlotte: "Johnny Rotten has more punk in his stool than they do!" ;D

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Real punk died with Sid Vicious. Anything that remains now is just punk wannabes trying to rehash it into something awful.

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This reminds me of a quote Johnny Rotten gave in an interview once, regarding the "Punk movement". He sneered "There was no f***ing punk movement. There was The Sex Pistols, then there was a bowel movement!", which is I guess what some people here are saying. I too feel its anathema to call some of the modern bands mentioned "punk" in its' former sense, as British punk was generally Anti-Establishment. Sadly, just having spiky hair doesn't really cut it for me...

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This reminds me of a quote Johnny Rotten gave in an interview once, regarding the "Punk movement". He sneered "There was no f***ing punk movement. There was The Sex Pistols, then there was a bowel movement!", which is I guess what some people here are saying. I too feel its anathema to call some of the modern bands mentioned "punk" in its' former sense, as British punk was generally Anti-Establishment. Sadly, just having spiky hair doesn't really cut it for me...
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Exactly. Today's so-called "punk" groups might have spikey multi-coloured hair, but they also wear designer clothes and they know how to play their instruments! That's not punk! Punk is wearing old, worn, ripped, practically-falling-off-your-body clothes held together with safety pins and not being able to play or sing a note. Today's groups might have a punk attitude (f*ck you, f*ck the government, f*ck everything else), but that's about it.

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This way of thinking always bugged me, because even most of the original punk groups DID knew how to play and sing.  Maybe they didn't know that many chords, but they played the ones they did know pretty well.

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I remember I had this compilation of late 70's early 80s American punk bands like the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, etc.  The back of the album (VINYL!) said, "If punk is dead, then what the f*ck is this?!"  

Ever since the Ramones (and perhaps the New York Dolls)gave birth to punk music and Macolm McLaren stole it, took it overseas and pretended that the Sex Pistols were the first punk band, there has been endless fighting over what punk rock music really is.  Of course the Pistols were the most recognized faces of punk, but that doesn't mean every Brit band to wear weird clothes and sport mohawks were truly "punk."  I loved Adam Ant but he was more of a New Romantic than a punk.  And Siouxie may have looked the part, but her music was too poppy to be truly punk.  

Wendy O. Williams.  Now there was a punk rock chick.  I'd like to see Avril try sawing a guitar in half onstage with a chainsaw! (I know, poor Avril...she's not trying to be punk.  Sorry, I just couldn't resist).

American bands like the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag were punk as far as I'm concerned.  Anyone remember the Minutemen?  How about X?  Husker Du.  Agent Orange. These bands were the US's version of punk.

But does "punk" exist today?  Well....sorry, I don't believe it does.  Punk was an attitude, sure, but it was also an era in time that belonged to a certain generation.  You don't find kids today trying to seriously adopt the term "hippie", do you?
How about "beatnik"?  No...when you hear these terms, you know that you're talking about a certain time/culture of the early and late 60s.

Call it emo.  Call it hardcore.  Call it neo-punk, even.  Better yet -- why not come up with a new name for it?  Just don't call it punk.  
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Well said, avadoria. :)

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I remember that record! I always liked the DKs' lyrics and political stance, but I wasn't much for their music.  Few bands labeled "punk" did anything for me musically.  The Clash, Gang of Four, and some of the so-called No Wave bands were musically interesting and called "punk" in their day.  However, they don't fit the genre in any of its present forms.  I always enjoy Jello Biafra's spoken word, although he's a bit hysterical at times.  Henry Rollins is plug awful, and his fan base has degenerated into a posse of jocks and dopes. Never could stand Black Flag, except "TV Party" (LOL!), and the name "Henrietta Collins and The Wifebeating Childhaters." ;D  The SST label has released some great stuff, but Gregg Ginn's music is aural sewage.

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Ever since the Ramones (and perhaps the New York Dolls)gave birth to punk music and Macolm McLaren stole it, took it overseas and pretended that the Sex Pistols were the first punk band, there has been endless fighting over what punk rock music really is.  Of course the Pistols were the most recognized faces of punk, but that doesn't mean every Brit band to wear weird clothes and sport mohawks were truly "punk."  I loved Adam Ant but he was more of a New Romantic than a punk.  And Siouxie may have looked the part, but her music was too poppy to be truly punk.  End Quote

That's exactly what I was bellyaching about.  It's all the bickering about who's original and who's a poseur, and who stole what from whom.  Sheeeesh!  A lot of people cite Iggy and the Stooges as the first "punk" band, some go further back and say it was '60s garage rockers like MC-5 and The Sonics.  As for weird clothes and Mohawks, that's what I meant by shibboleths.  The question is, can the music survive without the image?
In the case of Siouxsie & The Banshees and The Cure, the answer is most definitely.  These bands figured into the realm of "punk" early on, but as long as they existed they donned the weird hair and weird clothes, and so did the kids coming to their concerts.  When I pull out a great Siouxsie album, such as "Juju," or a great Cure album, such as "The Head on the Door," I'm not thinking about the weird hair and weird clothes they wore (or I wore) in 1986.  I'm listening to some great f**king music, no matter what you call it, punk, pop, goth, new romantic... who gives a rip?
I always considered myself more "new romantic" than "punk," anyway! LOL!

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Wendy O. Williams.  Now there was a punk rock chick.  I'd like to see Avril try sawing a guitar in half onstage with a chainsaw! (I know, poor Avril...she's not trying to be punk.  Sorry, I just couldn't resist).End Quote

I always thought of W.O.W., and Plasmatics, as the more "metal" edge of punk.  I wasn't personally a fan of her music, but I always admired her gusto.  I mean, she was a blend of punk, heavy metal, porn, pro-wrestling, and demolition derby! It was so sad that she committed suicide about six years ago.  She was living a quiet life in Storrs, CT., working in a health food store, and doing some sort of humane work with animals.  Those who knew her at the time said she was a really nice lady.

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I thought Agent Orange was a silly skate band, like JFA, but the other three you mentioned were great bands--again, not my style--but cool stuff.  Several people tried to turn me on to the Minutemen w/ the late D. Boon (later became Firehose).  I could see why people loved them, but their music just didn't do a thing for me!

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But does "punk" exist today?  Well....sorry, I don't believe it does.  Punk was an attitude, sure, but it was also an era in time that belonged to a certain generation.  You don't find kids today trying to seriously adopt the term "hippie", do you?
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Hey, baby, I'm a hep cat!  Right on, daddy-O!
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Call it emo.  
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The only emo I like is Emo Phillips!

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I started this whole thing by declaring that the original listed bands were not punk, and I meant it.  

But I didn't mean it because of any purist beliefs in what punk is or isn't.  I said that they weren't punk the same way I would say Run-DMC isn't punk.  I said it because they just flat out aren't.  They're emo, and not even punk-emo either, for the most part.  I mean, the Dropkick Murphys, those are punks.  Saves the Day, somewhere between punk and emo.  The other ones I've heard of, not even close.
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I'm still mystified as to why it's so important to distinguish between what is and is not punk.

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I think it's short for "emotional."  These bands have more of a Smiths approach to their lyrical subjects.  I'm not sure of examples of emo bands, I'd have to look 'em up.  Maybe somebody else knows?  
There's a band called the F**k Emos.  I asked some kid who liked them if the band hates emo, but he didn't kow. ;D
A description of certain melancholy/introspective pop bands is "shoegazer," but again I'm not handy with examples.

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Emo can have a kind of punk-pop sound to it, or it can be have very complex guitar parts.  It can be sung quietly to an acoustic guitar, or it can be full of anguished screaming.  But what it must have, the hallmark of the genre if you will, is lots and lots of the most self-absorbed, whiny whining that's ever been whined.
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I know something about whining, I'm a pretty good whiner.  Took third in state finals, senior year.
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Whiny, self-absorbed bands was the subject of Green Day's "Basketcase."  You know, "Do you have the time to listen to me whine..."  It was a funny song until I heard it a zillion times and couldn't stand it anymore!

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Emo can have a kind of punk-pop sound to it, or it can be have very complex guitar parts.  It can be sung quietly to an acoustic guitar, or it can be full of anguished screaming.  But what it must have, the hallmark of the genre if you will, is lots and lots of the most self-absorbed, whiny whining that's ever been whined.
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People have categorised The Smiths as "emo" but I completely disagree, especially given that description! They're not whiny! The Cure would be more "emo," just from Robert Smith's voice. Anyway, I hate categorising music. It's either good or it's crap. :)

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apperantly none of you have ever listened to emo or even modern punk...its not all whiny...and by the way i didnt start this topic to try and prove that this is punk music or even argue on what is or isnt punk music. it was strictly to find people that share the same musical taste as me...i find it quite entertaining though that everyone has a different view on what is or isnt punk and are all quite insistant on it. i'll agree that it isnt the f**k society and government and everything else type of lyrical style of old skool punk, but from a musical standpoint, the music itself is basically the same. when i say punk i use it as a sort of generic term to label the style of MUSIC. in every type of music there are always sub-genres. like emo, emocore, hardcore punk, old skool punk, pop-punk, punk rock. as like rap theres hip hop, g-funk, gangsta rap etc. dont get all anal because someone elses opinion isnt the same as yours. i mean no harhness towards anyone. i respect all types of music.
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hey, lighten up emo boy.  this is a messageboard.  you ask if anyone likes punk and list a bunch of wannabe "punk" bands that aren't even a blip on the radar of music history, you're gonna hear from us older music heads who take a certain pride in our original "punk" roots!   ;D  

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The school I attended (in the 80s, when there were still old-school punk bands about) had "PUNK'S NOT DEAD, IT JUST SMELLS THAT WAY" written in huge letters on a wall. Strikes me as being still apposite...
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I saw a skanky old biker-type in London with that very slogan printed on his leather jacket!

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People have categorised The Smiths as "emo" but I completely disagree, especially given that description! They're not whiny! The Cure would be more "emo," just from Robert Smith's voice. Anyway, I hate categorising music. It's either good or it's crap. :)

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Well said Vile!!

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Well said Vile!!

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Thanks Rio! ;D

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Thanks Rio! ;D

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I am so smart...I am so smart...S M R T...I mean, S M A R T...
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No problem Vile!! ;D

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