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Why do some people have so much hatred towards gays and lesbians? It seems that these misguided folks use Christianity and the Bible to justify their hate-filled words and actions against same-sex couples,and they convieniently forget that God and the Bible use these words A LOT-LOVE ONE ANOTHER!!  To judge someone's whole being by their sexual orientation is downright DUMB!!
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Actually, I have absolutely no hatred towards homosexuals at all.  I am against any actions against ANYBODY, unless they are criminals.

In fact, the lady that let me move in with her so I could leave California is a lesbian, and she let me stay with her for 2 months, having only met on-line.  SHe is a fantastic lady.  And my best buddy before I left LA is gay.  So what?  That only reflects who they sleep with, not who they are.

If you mean "same sex couples" you mean those like me that are against "Gay Marriage", it has nothing to do with hate as far as I am concerned.  I am 100% in support of "Civil Unions", but am against "Marriage", because "Marriage" is a religious concept, and as so many have said it before, the state has no right to say what is and what is not a marriage.

Personally, I think that 95% of those who "hate" homosexuals are really hiding homosexual tendencies themselves.  I know one of them from High School.  Several times he attacked gays in school, and was even suspended for 2 weeks once.  Then about 10 years ago, I heard he died of AIDS, which he got from his boyfriend.  Sad, but I think karma may have been at work there too maybe.

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Why do some people have so much hatred towards gays and lesbians? It seems that these misguided folks use Christianity and the Bible to justify their hate-filled words and actions against same-sex couples,and they convieniently forget that God and the Bible use these words A LOT-LOVE ONE ANOTHER!!  To judge someone's whole being by their sexual orientation is downright DUMB!!
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I can't say that I hate gays, but, quite frankly, as a group I find it extremely annoying how their lobby tends to try and jam itself down our throats.  I'm also amazed at how the more "mainstream" gay programs and events seem to go out of their way to portray gays in a stereotypical light.

In grad school there was some woman who, in just about every other sentence (I do not exagerate), made some reference to her "gay lover".  Finally I got so annoyed at this that I said, with an audience. "You know, Jessie, your gay lover is so hot I just want to nail her for myself right here, right now, on the linoleum.  I don't imagine you will mind since you've advertised Her Hotness so freely.  I'm sold!"  After that she stopped the advertising.

"Gay" shows like Will and Grace do them no favors either.  Instead of portraying gays as otherwise-normal people, their lifestyle is mainly portrayed with vulgar language, double-entendre, and as a group of people with no morals or sense of fidelity whatsoever.  Maybe there is one couple on the show who is shown to be a commited couple (the two geeky guys).  Then we have "Queer Eye" which perpetuates the stereotype of gay man as an Interior Decorator or Hair Stylist.

(By the way, I had two gay cousins, one an Interior Decorator who was a good family-responsible guy and another one was a Hair Stylist who was an irresponsible flaming queer).

Another aspect of gaity that served to put off the general public are the "butch clubs" that are operated by gays in the major cities.  They advertise what, by most standards (and I suspect gay AND straight standards) are disgusting parties based on physical depravity. Grody to the max, and these "clubs" only serve to feed the public's disdain for gayness.

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Wow, I’m fascinated by the people with the “I don’t hate them, some of my best friends cousins/uncles are them” statements.
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Granted, that is often a statement people use when they really try to prove they are not bigoted.  But for me, it is true.  ANd it is not "some of my best friends", it is a fact that my 2 best and closest friends are gay.  And it makes no difference to me at all.

I could not give a rat's posterior who a person sleeps with.  No more then I care where their great-great-great grandparents came from.  Nor do I care what color their eyes/hair/skin/clothes are.  I judge each person as a person, nothing else matters at all.

My ex-wife was born and raised in Argentina, so what?  THat does not mean that people would occasionally try to claim I was raceist against Hispanics because of some of my political views when I was in California.  Never mind the fact my oldest son, ex wife, and stepdaughter are all Hispanic.  That did not matter at all, because since I did not agree with them, I was obviously raceist.

I think a lot of the problems now with seperating people into "classes" is done by the people with the agenda.  I have no agenda.  I see people as people, nothing more.  When I met Sean, I did not know he was gay (neither did he).  2 years later when he "came out", I was one of his few friends that did not turn my back on him.  Because it did not matter to me at all, he was the same person.

I have also been accused of being "anti-black", never mind that at the time, I was working as a DJ at a largely all-black club.  In fact, ironically some people here in Alabama think of me as crazy, because I will quickly speak up and tell them I am offended by "the *N* word", and do not want them to say it around me.

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You being naïve, do you really think that the “Hetero world” doesn’t have their naughty little clubs too? Gays have no corner on the market when it comes to all manners of sexual/physical depravity.
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Well, there is a slight difference.  A lot of people that go to those clubs try to say "it is our culture", or some other justification as to why it is OK.  They (I mean those that promote the clubs, not all gays) try to make it mainstream.  Hetero clubs of those types tend to stay in the background, and admit they are different.  I have been to several of those types of clubs, and the behavior in the gay clubs is much more promiscuous.  After all, how often do you hear of arrests in park bathrooms of heterosexuals?

I do not consider the gay culture "broken" because it is gay.  But I do consider it "broken" because of the behaviour of many of them.  It is a great many of those stereotypes they have promoted that causes them grief.  I think they need to admit this to themselves, and try to clean their own house.  Then, I am sure more people will accept them.

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My ex-wife was born and raised in Argentina, so what?  THat does not mean that people would occasionally try to claim I was raceist against Hispanics because of some of my political views when I was in California.  Never mind the fact my oldest son, ex wife, and stepdaughter are all Hispanic.  That did not matter at all, because since I did not agree with them, I was obviously raceist.
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Interesting example, Mr80s.

When the current mayor of Chicago, Richard Daley, was running for Mayor, one of his promises was to appoint a hispanic as head of a particular department.

Once elected, he appointed a guy from Argentina (a Hispanic Argentinian, not a german one), and the hispanic community had a CRAP-FEST because they did not think he was a "legitimate" hispanic.  Apparently they wanted someone of Mexican or Puerto Rican origin.

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If you mean "same sex couples" you mean those like me that are against "Gay Marriage", it has nothing to do with hate as far as I am concerned.  I am 100% in support of "Civil Unions", but am against "Marriage", because "Marriage" is a religious concept, and as so many have said it before, the state has no right to say what is and what is not a marriage.
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I have a question...now if there is supposed to be a ban against endorsement of religion by the state, and marriage is sanctioned by the state, then marriage becomes a government entity and not a religious one (especially for those who just sign the paper and forgo the ceremony) so why is it bad if two dudes want to get "married" in government only and not religion?

I'm not sure if my question made sense but I'd like to say that I support homosexual civil unions and I've known enough gay people in my life to think that they are really no danger to society and I'm not sure why this is so controversial.

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Interesting example, Mr80s.

When the current mayor of Chicago, Richard Daley, was running for Mayor, one of his promises was to appoint a hispanic as head of a particular department.

Once elected, he appointed a guy from Argentina (a Hispanic Argentinian, not a german one), and the hispanic community had a CRAP-FEST because they did not think he was a "legitimate" hispanic.  Apparently they wanted someone of Mexican or Puerto Rican origin.
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TO me, that promise is just a blatent show of tokenism, and is disgusting.  THe person appointed should have simply been the best person, reguardless of race.

And I can understand.  It seems a grat number of "Hispanics" hate people from Argentina.  This is actually for many reasons.

For one, Argentina speaks a Castillian form of Spanish.  This is often reguarded as a "higher class" of Spanish, much as we would view somebody speaking "Oxford English" as being of a higher class then somebody from Alabama or West Virginia.

Also, unlike most of Central-South America, Argentina is almost 100% Caucasian.  There is almost no Indian influence in the people or culture, mostly descended from French-Spanish stock.

Because of these and other reasons, a lot of Hispanics consider Argentines to be "stuck up", "rude", "arrogant", or some such.  I saw it myself with how some would treat my wife.  When she switched to Spanish, they would either become very friendly (because of the "higher class" of the Spanish), or more rude (realizing she was from Argentina, and therefore not worth talking to).  I guess you can see the same things in English, with how we will relate to people from England (classy, cultured), Canada (almost like us, sister nation), Australia (a nation of large beer, thugs, crocodile men, and dwarf tossing), and New Zealand (oh, do you know where the Shire is?)   :D

Just knowing that lowered my opinion of Mr. Daley greatly though.  Such behavior to me is disgusting, and is just an attempt to fawn to a minority.  I also find it disgusting that the "Hispanic Community" showed IT'S raceism, by turning on one of their own.  Both sides should be ashamed in that situation.

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Wow, I’m fascinated by the people with the “I don’t hate them, some of my best friends cousins/uncles are them” statements.
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If you really don’t like gays then it is O.K. to say so, it’s your opinion, just don’t dance around the bush using tired, shallow examples like television shows or “their lobby”.

Face facts “their lobby” doesn’t represent all gays and all their viewpoints and objectives. If you’re talking about lobbies, no lobby that I know of has a good rep with anyone, for all the things they do, and in some cases, most anything they do. That goes for any lobby, the NRA, Wheat Growers, NORML, Oil Companies, Automobile Manufactures or what have you.

Please, don’t lead us to believe that shows like “Will and Grace” or “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” are a reason not to like gays. Just how many TV shows about ANYTHING are not stereotypes of people or persons they portray? This has been going on sense we first turned the tube on, just now that gays want to be equal, well now they get their chance to be stereotyped too. So what? It’s TV!! End Quote

It is completely legitimate to discuss their "lobby" and the various TV Shows.  The lobby is attempting to shape public opinion.  And it does, for better or for worse.

Their "lobby" is what we see on the news and what we see marching in Gay Awareness Parades and so on.  And it is these lobbies who we see presenting various Gay Image Awards to the producers of these shows that stereotype gays.

As for the comments that if somebody says "some of my friends are gay" it is somehow a cop-out, do you thus imply that the only person who can legitimately say that is someone who is 100% pro-gay-issues?

I had two gay cousins, both now dead.  One was a respectable man.  He took care of his relatives and sacrificed to help themwhen they were in need.  He took care of his nephew when he was orphaned.  He was the "rock" and one hell of a man.

The other cousin was a "flamer" who jacked around, did not meet commitments, who generally neglected his own son.  A loser.

Their father was straight and he was a complete jerk.

I can respect one and not respect the other, separate from their gayness.  And, at the same time, I can say that their gayness is not my cup of tea.

Unfortunately for the gay community it is the irresponsible, feather-boa-wearing gays that attend Gay Pride parades wearing bras over their heads that present a memorable "face" of Gayness.  People do not obviously "see" the gay people who live responsible lives because the Gay pride events almost always attract the weirdos.

So, as long as the overall Gay Community gains a huge amount of publicity from the "Lobbys" and so-called "Pro Gay Shows" (which are really gay-stereotyping shows), you can expect people to have a viscerally negative opinion of gay issues.

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People like to compare the gay movement with the black civil rights movement.  And perhaps there are similarities.

If you recall, Martin Luther King wanted nothing to do with Malcolm X or the Black Panthers, because he saw them as "Bad PR" for the overall cause.  He knew that these guys' approaches were a turnoff.

Similarly in the gay world... Until the "flamers" and "stereotypers" and parade-perverts dominate media coverage and opinion shaping, the cause will not get its "due".

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Just knowing that lowered my opinion of Mr. Daley greatly though.  Such behavior to me is disgusting, and is just an attempt to fawn to a minority.  I also find it disgusting that the "Hispanic Community" showed IT'S raceism, by turning on one of their own.  Both sides should be ashamed in that situation.
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Mind you I am a republican and am not really a Daley fan.  But I can cut Daley a little slack here on this one.

At the time there were hardly any hispanics at all in high-level Chicago city offices.  And this particular person had good credentials for the position, which I think was an economic-development position.

I'm not big on "affirmative action" where somebody says "hey, we have to get a person from minority X in this specific job", but at the time there were so few hispanics anywhere at that level, Daley had to do something.

At same time, I understand your discomfort on the subject too.

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I have a question...now if there is supposed to be a ban against endorsement of religion by the state, and marriage is sanctioned by the state, then marriage becomes a government entity and not a religious one (especially for those who just sign the paper and forgo the ceremony) so why is it bad if two dudes want to get "married" in government only and not religion?

I'm not sure if my question made sense but I'd like to say that I support homosexual civil unions and I've known enough gay people in my life to think that they are really no danger to society and I'm not sure why this is so controversial.
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Actually, the real term is "Civil Union".  A Civil Union is a state recognized institution which gives legal rights to the partners.  "Marriage" is a religious institution, granted by a church.

There is much confusion between the two.  When you go to a courthouse and a judge/comissioner gives a ceremony, it is really a Civil Union.  The term "marriage" is applied for simplicity though.  But it is NOT a "Marriage", because there is no religious sanction to it.  It is a LEGAL proceeding.  This is why Judges are permitted to perform it.

At the same time, clergy are also empowered by the state to perform a Civil Union in conjunction to their Religious Rite of Marriage.  The State recognizes them as both being the same thing, even though they are different things.

Then there is "Common Law Marriage", whereby 2 people cohabitate, and are considered to be married in many respects.  They do not share all legal benefits (for example, they are not exempt from testifying against their "spouse").  This is a form of Civil Marriage, but a statutory one.

*THIS* is where I draw the lines.  Marriage is religious, "Civil Union" is civil.  No church has the right to say who can or can not have a Civil Union.  The same way the state should have no right to say who can or can not have a marriage.  But some people are insisting that the two be combined, which is unconstitutional.

President Bush is in full support of "Civil Unions" for gay couples, and so am I.  There are churches already that perform "Gay Marriage", but there is no civil recognition of such a state at the moment.

What I find interesting is that in San Francisco, New Jersey, and all the other places where "Gay Marriages" have been performed, none of them were Marriages.  These were all Civil Unions.  I can make my own church and marry a cat to a dog, but it has no civil recognition.  In the same way I can form a church that recognized polygamy and have 4 wives, but the state will still not recognize any marriage beyond the first one.

A lot of this is simply education.  Polygamous marriage is still legal in many parts of the world, but if they move here to the US, they are no longer recognized.  This is because of a civil recognition.

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Mind you I am a republican and am not really a Daley fan.  But I can cut Daley a little slack here on this one.

At the time there were hardly any hispanics at all in high-level Chicago city offices.  And this particular person had good credentials for the position, which I think was an economic-development position.

I'm not big on "affirmative action" where somebody says "hey, we have to get a person from minority X in this specific job", but at the time there were so few hispanics anywhere at that level, Daley had to do something.

At same time, I understand your discomfort on the subject too.
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Actually, I have no idea what party Mr. Daley belongs to, and either one would not matter, because that was a wrong promise to make.

However, if the person is qualified, race should not matter.  It sounds like he is, and I am glad he got it.  It would be a shame for people to look at him and say "he only got this job because he is hispanic (black asian jewish Indian male female, etc) instead of "he got it because he was the best person for the job.

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I see...that makes more sense now.
I just re-read your post and I have to wonder if "civil recognition" is only on a state-wide basis or county-to-county...since San Francisco is technically both a city and a county they had the right to recognize gay marriages, and I guess even if homosexuals made a church of their own, their unions/marriages still wouldn't have been recognized under the law.  It kinda sucks for them :-/
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This is why what San Francisco did is illegal.  Having performed marriages myself in California, I can tell you that only the state has the power to grant them.

As the closing statement in a ceremony, you say either "By the power granted to me by the State of California", or you say "By the power vested in me by God and the State of California".  Neither a city nor a county in the state of California has the authority to perform a civil union.

To me, a lot of this arguement is worthless semantics by uninformed people.  They should be screaming for the right to Civil Union.  I am sure that a lot more people will support them in that case, and that is really what they want anyways.  But this insistance to insist on a religious right is silly and wrong.

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This is why what San Francisco did is illegal.  Having performed marriages myself in California, I can tell you that only the state has the power to grant them.

As the closing statement in a ceremony, you say either "By the power granted to me by the State of California", or you say "By the power vested in me by God and the State of California".  Neither a city nor a county in the state of California has the authority to perform a civil union.

To me, a lot of this arguement is worthless semantics by uninformed people.  They should be screaming for the right to Civil Union.  I am sure that a lot more people will support them in that case, and that is really what they want anyways.  But this insistance to insist on a religious right is silly and wrong.
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But, if it's okay for a heterosexual couple who have undergone a "civil union" to call themselves "married", then why is it not acceptable for a homosexual couple to do the same.  No matter who performs the ceremony or where it's performed, you must have a "marriage license".  I agree, it's all a matter of semantics.  As you stated before, "No church has the right to say who can or can not have a Civil Union.  The same way the state should have no right to say who can or can not have a marriage."  If our government views all "civil unions" between a heterosexual couple as "marriage", it seems discriminatory that "civil unions" between a homosexual coupld NOT be viewed as a "marriage".  According to every dictionary I've checked, there is no reference to religion in the definition of "marriage", only "matrimony".

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But, if it's okay for a heterosexual couple who have undergone a "civil union" to call themselves "married", then why is it not acceptable for a homosexual couple to do the same.  
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Actually, I have no problem with it at all.  I do it myself.  But legally, "Marriage" and "Civil Union" are 2 different things.  And the issue here is the changing of a law after all.

I am all for changing the law to recognize civil unions ( marriage) between gay couples.  They can call it marriage, I will call it marriage, but it is a civil union.  Remember, in law semantics is everything.  After all, what is the difference between murder, homocide, and manslaughter?  THey are all the same thing, but the words used make a huge difference, 5-20 years or even death.  They are just words, but they mean a lot.

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Why do some people have so much hatred towards gays and lesbians? It seems that these misguided folks use Christianity and the Bible to justify their hate-filled words and actions against same-sex couples,and they convieniently forget that God and the Bible use these words A LOT-LOVE ONE ANOTHER!!  To judge someone's whole being by their sexual orientation is downright DUMB!!
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Do you believe that it is possible for a Christian to disapprove of the gay lifestyle without being said to hate homosexuals?

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I have no hatred at all against gays and lesbians.in fact Lesbians are my fetish but as for guys I have this friend from my old program his name is Richard and he is gay and he is black and he has never been with a white guy before.He would like to come over my house when my parents aren't around but I feel uneasy around him.I just don't want to get naked when he's around cause It just doesn't have that feeling when you're around a girl but this is with a short black guy.And he would like to....you know....( :-X)have sex. :-[ What do I do in this situation?


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Howard,

If you feel uncomfortable being around him then I would not have him over to the house alone.  I'd say the same thing even if he were a woman who you really didn't like, but who wanted to get herself some Howard.

It's called "avoiding an unwanted situation".

And if he has some sort of "thing" for you simply because you are white, even more reason to avoid him.

Now if you are comfortable with him as an acquaintance in a group setting, then there would be no need to avoid him at parties and so on.

By the way, I understand your lesbian fetish.  The "unattainability" of them only makes them more desireable.  :P

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Oh, there are hetero couples who freely admit they enjoy engaging in that activity.  There are also plenty of hetero and primarily hetero fetish and lifestyles (aka swinging) clubs, all with parties, products, websites, codes of conduct, personal ads, activists and communities to go with them.  Kink is BIG BUSINESS and it's an entirely separate issue from orientation and same sex marriage.   If we're not going to allow same sex marriage because some gays like to let their freak flags fly, we're going to have to stop allowing hetero marriages, on the same grounds.  

On the topic of same-sex marriage:

It seems pretty simple to me:  Legal marriage aka civil union should be defined by the state as a legal and sometimes also religious union between two mutually consenting adult humans who are not already closely related by blood or adoption and who are not already legally wed to other persons and which, unlike a business partnership, bestows upon each spouse the rights of next-kinship in regards to the other until such time as the union is dissolved.  

Holy matrimony or other spiritual unions should be defined by those churches or groups.    

As pertains to those definitions: ne'er the twain shall meet, except by happenstance.  


Just my .02

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I have no hatred at all against gays and lesbians.in fact Lesbians are my fetish but as for guys I have this friend from my old program his name is Richard and he is gay and he is black and he has never been with a white guy before.He would like to come over my house when my parents aren't around but I feel uneasy around him.I just don't want to get naked when he's around cause It just doesn't have that feeling when you're around a girl but this is with a short black guy.And he would like to....you know....( :-X)have sex. :-[ What do I do in this situation?


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I'm agreeing with LyricBoy, Howard. If you really feel uncomfortable being around him/her on your own, then don't allow it to happen.

This is a general statement and may not neccessarily apply to homosexuals.

Lesbians . . . There's a thought . . .  ;D

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He would like to come over my house when my parents aren't around but I feel uneasy around him.I just don't want to get naked when he's around cause It just doesn't have that feeling when you're around a girl but this is with a short black guy.And he would like to....you know....( :-X)have sex. :-[ What do I do in this situation?


Howard
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Don't drop the TV remote on the floor...! (Arf!)

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Don't drop the TV remote on the floor...! (Arf!)
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Lol. I was too cautious to say something like that.  ;D

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I doubt it.  :)

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It seems pretty simple to me:  Legal marriage aka civil union should be defined by the state as a legal and sometimes also religious union between two mutually consenting adult humans who are not already closely related by blood or adoption .  

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Why be so restrictive?  That's discrimination!

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Howard,

If you feel uncomfortable being around him then I would not have him over to the house alone.  I'd say the same thing even if he were a woman who you really didn't like, but who wanted to get herself some Howard.

It's called "avoiding an unwanted situation".

And if he has some sort of "thing" for you simply because you are white, even more reason to avoid him.

Now if you are comfortable with him as an acquaintance in a group setting, then there would be no need to avoid him at parties and so on.

By the way, I understand your lesbian fetish.  The "unattainability" of them only makes them more desireable.  :P
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See,he told me that he's always been going out together with black guys around his Brooklyn area that he's never been with a white guy before.I used to know him from my vocational program and he lives in Brooklyn and I live in Queens.I'm gonna have to try to avoid him as best as possible.He one time in the Men's Bathroom of my vocational he checked out my crotch and butt and he liked what he saw and I didn't mind at all but I am not gay and I will never turn gay for no one! >:(


Howard

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I'm agreeing with LyricBoy, Howard. If you really feel uncomfortable being around him/her on your own, then don't allow it to happen.

This is a general statement and may not neccessarily apply to homosexuals.

Lesbians . . . There's a thought . . .  ;D


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I will try to avoid him as best as possible.He kinda used to freak me out the way he used to stare at my bulge between my legs.I was wearing jeans at the time. :-[


Howard

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I will try to avoid him as best as possible.He kinda used to freak me out the way he used to stare at my bulge between my legs.I was wearing jeans at the time. :-[

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Yeah... If this guy is checking out your "package" in the men's rooms and so on, then I'd avoid him altogether... in ANY situation, alone or in a group.

He sounds like bad news.   >:(   Stay away from him.  :P

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Yeah... If this guy is checking out your "package" in the men's rooms and so on, then I'd avoid him altogether... in ANY situation, alone or in a group.

He sounds like bad news.   >:(   Stay away from him.  :P
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I'll try,LB.Thank You good advice! :)


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Photo, you do an excellent job in uncovering intrinsic, flawed notions in others. Bravo! I just had to jump into the middle of it and mention that :) There isn't anything more I could add to this topic except to state that I am for gays obtaining equal rights under the eyes of the law.

Just one more thing to add: This topic is about hatred towards gays. To a lesser extent, bias, intolerance, and bigotry towards gays by denying them their human rights and later rationalizing it.
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Part of the problem with dealing with a topic like this is how others view the issues.

To some of the polarized population, and objection to their point of view is viewed as "hatred".  I have seen this myself many times.  It is one reason why we have become so "politically correct", because some people see things that are not there and attack you for them.

Some of what you even sounds like that.  I may dissagree with a word, that does not make me hateful, intolerant, or anything else.  But so many people only hear part of what somebody says, and starts throwing words that do not apply.  This is why so many of us get defensive so often.

BTW. what is a "human right"?  Even this is a phrase that is very politicized and emotional.  And personally, when I look at what is being done to homosexuals in other countries around the world, I find it hard to imagine that we can be anywhere near as bad as they are.  After all, the day of locking up people for "perversion", or placing them in instatutions is long in the past.

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Maybe some of you men can answer my guestion. Why is it that a lot (not all) heterosexual men like to see two women together? Please explain this to me.


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Er . . . Lesbianism isn't something I think about everyday. Got any ideas, Howard?  :D

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Because women are beautiful and the more naked women there are, the better ;)
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That's as good a reason as any, Catwoman.

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Because women are beautiful and the more naked women there are, the better ;)
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But what about naked men? They can be beautiful too! ;)

Absolutely Vile

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But what about naked men? They can be beautiful too! ;)

Absolutely Vile
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I hear that.  ;D ;D



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But what about naked men? They can be beautiful too! ;)

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Lol. That's a matter of perspective, Vile.  :D

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Lol. That's a matter of perspective, Vile.  :D
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Maurice Benard,with or without clothing,would be a turn-on to me!! He's one of the hotties on General Hospital!

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I hear that.  ;D ;D



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Uh huh. ;D I'd like a roomful of naked men, please!

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Uh huh. ;D I'd like a roomful of naked men, please!

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You're not the only one Vile!!! ;D

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Maurice Benard,with or without clothing,would be a turn-on to me!! He's one of the hotties on General Hospital!
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I hear that, too. Actually I perfer Micheal Easton (Celab-PC/John-OLTL)  ;D



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Lol. That's a matter of perspective, Vile.  :D
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My hubby says that guys like to see two women together because there's the possibility of a threesome. They see them together, they'll want to join in. Is this right, guys?

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My hubby says that guys like to see two women together because there's the possibility of a threesome. They see them together, they'll want to join in. Is this right, guys?

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Er . . . Yeah.  :-[  :-[  :-[

What about you ladies? Do you like to watch two men getting it on with each other or do you think that's just silly?

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Uh huh. ;D I'd like a roomful of naked men, please!

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Ok, off-topic but I have to tell this. When I first got my physical for the military, I had just finished and they handed me my records and told me to go through a door and hand my records to the person in the other room. So, I went be-bopping into the other room. When I got to the middle of the room, I discovered that there was a lot of guys in there. Well, I didn't really look but they were either in their underwear or less.  :o  This one sgt. came up to me and yelled in my face, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN HERE?" I told him that I was told to go in there. He ushered me out of the room as quickly as possible. I sat out in the hall with my face as beet red as could be. The same sgt. came out laughing his @$$ off. I was so embarrassed. Now, if I were in the same situation, I really would have looked around. I could have played Madaline Khan in "History of the World, Part I"  "Yes, yes, yes, no, yes..." lol



Sorry to get off topic but I just had tell this story.


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Er . . . Yeah.  :-seen two men getting it on with each other, nor have I really thought about it (well, not without me involved!) I suppose I'd prefer not to be a voyeur in this situation but rather...well...you know...;)

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