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There was an incendent a while back about someone who was downloading kiddy porn as proof that it is out there-little did this person know that by doing that, they were breaking the law.



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This is the oldest excuse in the book. Every one knows its out there, so why do we need more proof?

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This is the oldest excuse in the book. Every one knows its out there, so why do we need more proof?
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Exactly.

I don't buy that excuse for a second.  Anyone who is intentionally getting that stuff belongs in prison.

btw, isn't that similar to the excuse that Pete Townsend used last year when he was busted for it?   ::)

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I understand how scary that can be. Even as an adult, I have had a few people try to pick me up (and my husband when he uses my name on-line). I know kids think this can be fun but it really can be very dangerous. However, I do have problems with people trying to TRAP others.
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If you read the message logs on the site, you will see that is not the case at all.  Every case I read, the pervert initiated the contact, and forced it to a more intense conversation.  And in many of them, it went far beyond that.

In the "media busts", they would rent a house, and the perverts would go to it in the hopes of getting sex.  *ALL* of the men knew the "child" was below the age of 16.  This is far from entrapment, because the perv had to go out of his way to further that contact.  In none of the cases, did the "child" try to take the conversations further.

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They have to be very careful not to get caught in their own trap. There was an incendent a while back about someone who was downloading kiddy porn as proof that it is out there-little did this person know that by doing that, they were breaking the law.
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I remember a case when I was in the military kinda similar.  Seems a Sailor in my unit was busted by undercover cops for trying to buy marijuanna just outside of the base.  His defense was that he was buying it, and was going to turn it over to NIS (Naval Investigative Service) so they could arrest the guys.  Yea, you can guess how well THAT went over.

I agree with GBH.  And that excuse has been done to death as a defense.  I do not need to do something to know it is sick and wrong.  I know there are hookers in my town, but I do not have to go out and "rent" one, just to prove that they are there.

And I sympathize with you.  A few years ago when I was heavy into IRC, I used a semi-androgynous name, and constantly had sick guys hit on me.  Many of them actually made me ashamed to be a guy, knowing that they acted that way to the women in the room.

However, I often got my revenge with them.  :)

Typical conversation would often go as:

Pervert: how big is your chest?
Me: 40"
Pervert: OMG, can I see?

I would just lead them on, then when I got tired, tell everybody in the room how this guy was wanting to get it on with me, another guy.  :P  And kinda like those guys at that site, they rarely did it more then once.

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Exactly.

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No...anyone who is intentionally producing that stuff (i.e. taking the pictures) belongs in prison. They are the ones who have the direct contact with the children. Anyone looking at the pictures is doing just that: looking at pictures. That just makes them perverts, not criminals. The real criminals are the ones behind the camera!!

Absolutely Vile

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No...anyone who is intentionally producing that stuff (i.e. taking the pictures) belongs in prison. They are the ones who have the direct contact with the children. Anyone looking at the pictures is doing just that: looking at pictures. That just makes them perverts, not criminals. The real criminals are the ones behind the camera!!
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Yes, that is true also.

Also, don't forget the differences in culture.  For example in Japan, the taboo is not as strong as it is here when it comes to simply a picture of a naked child.  This is after all a culture of communal baths, where families will bathe together.  I remember in the "early days" of the internet, a lot of the "kiddie porn" came from there, because what was legal there was illegal here.  And they were mostly "artsy" style shots of young girls in hot tubs.

Here in the US, it is a grey area.  Simply viewing such a picture by itself is not illegal.  But if you download it and save it, that is illegal.  And trying to get it may be illegal depending on your state, because you are "trafficking" in the pornography.  But this definition varies from state to state.

But this is also a circular arguement.  If people did not want it, there would be no child porn.  If you can eliminate the people that buy it, there will be no market for the perverts to sell to.  This is why many areas spend more time going after the johns then they do the hookers.  Eliminate the demand, and the supply will reduce.

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No...anyone who is intentionally producing that stuff (i.e. taking the pictures) belongs in prison. They are the ones who have the direct contact with the children. Anyone looking at the pictures is doing just that: looking at pictures. That just makes them perverts, not criminals. The real criminals are the ones behind the camera!!

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True,

However, while it may not make the lookers "criminals" per say, it is extremely disturbing to think about the fact that they are looking for that kind of thing.  I mean, if they like those pictures, who knows what intentions they have whirling around in their sick minds, and the danger they can pose to kids they are in contact with in real life.

Its sickening when you think about it.

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True,

However, while it may not make the lookers "criminals" per say, it is extremely disturbing to think about the fact that they are looking for that kind of thing.  I mean, if they like those pictures, who knows what intentions they have whirling around in their sick minds, and the danger they can pose to kids they are in contact with in real life.

Its sickening when you think about it.
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Who really cares what goes on in the dirty little minds of people who look at kiddie porn? As long as they're just looking, there's no problem. Now, if they go out and act upon what goes on in their minds, there's your problem. But as long as they just look, they're really doing no harm to anyone. All they're doing is contributing to the demand for kiddie porn, which gives the real criminals more business.

Absolutely Vile

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Who really cares what goes on in the dirty little minds of people who look at kiddie porn? As long as they're just looking, there's no problem. Now, if they go out and act upon what goes on in their minds, there's your problem. But as long as they just look, they're really doing no harm to anyone. All they're doing is contributing to the demand for kiddie porn, which gives the real criminals more business.

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That is a very weird way to look at it.  I'm not sure why it's weird, but it's rubbing me the wrong way... :-/

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That is a very weird way to look at it.  I'm not sure why it's weird, but it's rubbing me the wrong way... :-/
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Same here. ???

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What?

If teachers, babysitters, boy-scout leaders, priests, etc etc, or anyone else that has direct contact with children is into that stuff, you better believe I would want to know whats going on in their "dirty little minds"!

I think your approach is basically that its just a "victimless crime" when someone looks at these pictures.  I totally disagree.

You have to keep in mind that these are real people we're talking about here, and every single child in these photos are victims that are most likely scarred for life because of it, and I think every time a pervert gets his hands on the pictures, it just compounds the damage that has already been done to the child.

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Who really cares what goes on in the dirty little minds of people who look at kiddie porn? As long as they're just looking, there's no problem.
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I can agree with you in a way, but I also disagree.   :-/

But somewhere, a child has to be exploited in order to get the images.  And any way I can stop this exploitation, I will do.  Just being available furthers that exploitation.

The same thing can be said about "cyber".  It is just a harmless fantasy, nobody is really touched or hurt by it.  Yet as the "media busts" have shown, a large number of men were willing to take it to the next step in order to actually have sex.

As the old saying goes, you don't put a steak in front of a dog, eventually he will try and take a bite.  I see no reason that people should look at pictures of children in this manner.  

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What?

If teachers, babysitters, boy-scout leaders, priests, etc etc, or anyone else that has direct contact with children is into that stuff, you better believe I would want to know whats going on in their "dirty little minds"!
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Don't forget that in these busts, they have caught a US Navy recruiter, a Youth Leage basketball coach, and somebody that councels troubled teens.  Every one of these people has access to kids, and can potentially exploit them.  If somebody like that would go to the next steps (pictures, cyber chats, meeting them for sex), I want to know about it so I can keep my own kids safe.

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Don't forget that in these busts, they have caught a US Navy recruiter, a Youth Leage basketball coach, and somebody that councels troubled teens.  Every one of these people has access to kids, and can potentially exploit them.  If somebody like that would go to the next steps (pictures, cyber chats, meeting them for sex), I want to know about it so I can keep my own kids safe.
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I agree 100%.

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OK, I can see all of your points. But what about parents who take pictures of their own kids? Are they paedophiles? I don't know if it's done so much now, but it used to be because parents thought it was "cute" to have a picture of their little toddler mooning for the camera. Ick.
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If we are talking about baby pictures with them laying on the rug or some such, I see no problem with that at all.  I am sure the parents are not looking at with any type of sexual intention.  And yes, I think it can be cute myself.

We are talking about people with pictures of pubescent kids, which are very obviously of a sexual nature.  Those are the scum that do not deserve to breathe the same air as my kids do.  

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There was an incendent a while back about someone who was downloading kiddy porn as proof that it is out there-little did this person know that by doing that, they were breaking the law.
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I think Pete Townsend was caught for having pictures of that nature. He said it was to do research on something he was writing about Paedophilia. Can Pete be that niave?

As far as kiddie porn and paedophilia is concerned, I think it is cruel and disgusting because children (anything from babies to under 16s) usually have no idea what these people's intentions are.

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I think Pete Townsend was caught for having pictures of that nature. He said it was to do research on something he was writing about Paedophilia. Can Pete be that niave?
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I'm fairly certain that his intentions were not to get "research". ::)  I remember hearing that on the news after it happened and thought to myself how stupid does this guy think we are.

Not only that, but he was caught because he was already on a watchlist for using his credit card to buy memberships into those sites.  

Research...riiiight. ::)

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I'm fairly certain that his intentions were not to get "research". ::)  I remember hearing that on the news after it happened and thought to myself how stupid does this guy think we are.

Not only that, but he was caught because he was already on a watchlist for using his credit card to buy memberships into those sites.  

Research...riiiight. ::)
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He's certainly done his research on how to get caught by the police.  :-/

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What about Gary Glitter? Had he not taken his PC in to get fixed, no one would have known he had child porn on it. Thing is, though...the people at the shop had no right to snoop through his personal files. What's on his computer is his own personal business. Kinda makes you think twice about taking your PC in for repairs, doesn't it!  :o

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Oddly enough, I think Vile has a point. In Britain, we have a data protection act that should protect good people from nosy people.

To add an objective slant to this, imagine if you had business stuff stored on your computer that depended on it's success and some geezer in a repair shop is having a nose? He could pass that information onto anybody!

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Oddly enough, I think Vile has a point. In Britain, we have a data protection act that should protect good people from nosy people.

To add an objective slant to this, imagine if you had business stuff stored on your computer that depended on it's success and some geezer in a repair shop is having a nose? He could pass that information onto anybody!
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Well, this is really something I can answer because of first hand experience.

I have worked as a computer tech for over 10 years now.  And yes, many times I have found pornography on computers I am working on.  And this is not because I am "snooping", but in the line of my work.

Currently, over 90% of the computers that come in for work have virus on them.  And depending on the virus, I frequently have to do a reinstall of the operating system.  Since most people do not want to loose their data, that means I have to back-up the old data to a server, re-install the OS, then copy the data back to the new system.

In the old days with DOS/95/98, that was just a simple copy.  But because of the security settings in NT/2000/XP, I have to go through their data directories in order to remove security, so that I can copy it.  In doing so, I sometimes have to go through them one directory at a time.  It can't be helped.

In doing this, I have come across files of all kinds, and I have NEVER mentioned to anybody what I find.  But at the same time, if I saw something that was illegal and involved people recognizeable (such as the customer taking pictures of him/herself having sex with a minor, or a minor I recognized with somebody) I would most likely contact law enforcement.

Am I a snitch or narc if I do so?  I really could not care less.  The protection of a child is more important then anything else to me.  Would I report somebody just because of random porn (or even child porn)?  No, not at all.  But if I did happen to notice somebody recognizeable, I would report that.  Just as if I recognized somebody on America's Most Wanted, I would report that.  (side note:  AMW has been able to capture 3 "John Doe's" from pictures from child porn they spotlighted on their show)

As far as security, there is no set law on that here in the US.  But I only store customer data on my tech server when I do a backup, and it is all deleted at the end of the week.  While I have heard stories over the years of that happening, you can safeguard yourself from this happening.

Simply back up your data yourself.  Keep backups, keep current anti-virus software on your system, and store important/confidential data on a second "removeable" hard drive.  That way if you want to take it in for service, you keep your confidential data at home, only taking in the main system.

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Understandable.

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Bang on! That's your duty.

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My example was not Child Pornography related. If child pornography is found on a computer, whether found intentionally or not, it should be a matter for police.

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Well, this is really something I can answer because of first hand experience.

I have worked as a computer tech for over 10 years now.  And yes, many times I have found pornography on computers I am working on.  And this is not because I am "snooping", but in the line of my work.

Currently, over 90% of the computers that come in for work have virus on them.  And depending on the virus, I frequently have to do a reinstall of the operating system.  Since most people do not want to loose their data, that means I have to back-up the old data to a server, re-install the OS, then copy the data back to the new system.

In the old days with DOS/95/98, that was just a simple copy.  But because of the security settings in NT/2000/XP, I have to go through their data directories in order to remove security, so that I can copy it.  In doing so, I sometimes have to go through them one directory at a time.  It can't be helped.

In doing this, I have come across files of all kinds, and I have NEVER mentioned to anybody what I find.  But at the same time, if I saw something that was illegal and involved people recognizeable (such as the customer taking pictures of him/herself having sex with a minor, or a minor I recognized with somebody) I would most likely contact law enforcement.

Am I a snitch or narc if I do so?  I really could not care less.  The protection of a child is more important then anything else to me.  Would I report somebody just because of random porn (or even child porn)?  No, not at all.  But if I did happen to notice somebody recognizeable, I would report that.  Just as if I recognized somebody on America's Most Wanted, I would report that.  (side note:  AMW has been able to capture 3 "John Doe's" from pictures from child porn they spotlighted on their show)

As far as security, there is no set law on that here in the US.  But I only store customer data on my tech server when I do a backup, and it is all deleted at the end of the week.  While I have heard stories over the years of that happening, you can safeguard yourself from this happening.

Simply back up your data yourself.  Keep backups, keep current anti-virus software on your system, and store important/confidential data on a second "removeable" hard drive.  That way if you want to take it in for service, you keep your confidential data at home, only taking in the main system.
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A friend of my SIL's husband was busted in just this way.  He took his computer in to get fixed and they found TONS of kiddie porn on it and reported him to the authorities (I'm not talking about the sketchy 15-17 year olds, we're talking 5-6 year olds engaged in sex acts).  Before they found this out, they had taken my kids to play with her son (who is the same age as my oldest).  That scares the crap out of me.  PLUS, she is standing by him and just had another baby--a girl.

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As far as kiddie porn and paedophilia is concerned, I think it is cruel and disgusting because children (anything from babies to under 16s) usually have no idea what these people's intentions are.
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You might find it unacceptable for an adult to have sex with someone under 16, but you'd be surprised at the number of places in the world where it is legal(and the places where having sex with someone 16 or 17 is ILLEGAL, too):

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Just shows how different cultures view things differently from each other.

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You might find it unacceptable for an adult to have sex with someone under 16, but you'd be surprised at the number of places in the world where it is legal(and the places where having sex with someone 16 or 17 is ILLEGAL, too):

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Just shows how different cultures view things differently from each other.
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Yeah I appreciate this, it's just that there's a slight difference even between the lowest age of consent on the website (about 12 in Mexico?) and what a paedophile's range of consent could be.

That's not culture, that's just being out of order.

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You might find it unacceptable for an adult to have sex with someone under 16, but you'd be surprised at the number of places in the world where it is legal(and the places where having sex with someone 16 or 17 is ILLEGAL, too):

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Just shows how different cultures view things differently from each other.
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THat is one reason why in these "stings", they claim to be 14 or under.  This is to be sure that anybody that propositions them is well under the age of consent here in the usa.

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I just discovered this site tonight, and it is about time somebody got organized to do something like this.
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Why I don't think they should be doing this and leaving it to law enforcement.

http://www.dragg.net/users/vocalofkentucky/kyvocal.htm


Remember, it could be you one day.  And you won't recover from it.

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Why I don't think they should be doing this and leaving it to law enforcement.

http://www.dragg.net/users/vocalofkentucky/kyvocal.htm


Remember, it could be you one day.  And you won't recover from it.
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Have you gone to the site?

If you had you will see that the pervs that are caught are pervs.  Reading some of those transcripts literally makes my stomach turn.

If they have their life ruined by being caught in the sick solicitation of what they think is an underrage child, then so be it.  They asked for it.

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You said it.  Although i'm not sure why you quoted my message when your reply clearly had nothing to do with it.

Anyhow, glad to see you are a supporter of vigilantism (if there is such a word).  I'm a big fan of Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood/Dirty Harry movies.  Got any particular favourites like these?

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I used to chat to perverts on AOL chat rooms... I'd say something like this:

Perv: where u from
Me: Scotland. You?
Perv: me 2 which part u from
Me: Perthshire. You?
Perv: me 2
(I don't believe them)
Me: Really? Which football team d'you support then?
(They pause)
Perv: we dont like football
Me: I support St. Johnstone myself.
Perv: oh me 2
Me: I thought you said you didn't like football?
Perv: i do
Me: Oooookay.
Perv: hw old r u n how big r ur tits
Me: Ohh so that's what you want. Well, baby, I'm 14, and I'm hot, fruity, saucy and dare I say, a bit tasty...
Perv: whoa 14 sexy
Me: Wanna see a picture?
Perv: sure!
(I send them a link to a picture of an apple pie)
Perv: wtf?
(I report them to the AOL staff)
Me: Pwned, darling.

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Don't forget,though,that some of these pervs might actually be kids themselves.it starts when they start taking sex ed,or even earlier.They use all the terms for reproductive organs and sex acts,as well as the slang terms,to try to get a reaction from people.they've been doing this for generations.Only with the internet,kids can get even bolder and more outrageous.On some chat rooms,that's about all they talk about!Cheers!

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Don't forget,though,that some of these pervs might actually be kids themselves.it starts when they start taking sex ed,or even earlier.They use all the terms for reproductive organs and sex acts,as well as the slang terms,to try to get a reaction from people.they've been doing this for generations.Only with the internet,kids can get even bolder and more outrageous.On some chat rooms,that's about all they talk about!Cheers!
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I don't think you can pin it on Sex Ed any more than Mister Ed...unless there really are school sex education programs that PROMOTE promiscuity and bawdy talk.  It's been a heck of a spell since I was in school.  I'm in favor of educating youngsters on reproduction, anatomy, STDs, and contraception.  However, I don't think most teens are emotionally equipped to handle sexual relationships.  On the other hand, if we had to wait until the average person is emotionally ready, the age of consent would be 45.  ;D
There are enough yo-yos out there that I wouldn't be surprised if some schools were hiring exotic dancers and male escorts for show-and-tell!

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I don't think you can pin it on Sex Ed any more than Mister Ed...unless there really are school sex education programs that PROMOTE promiscuity and bawdy talk.  It's been a heck of a spell since I was in school.  I'm in favor of educating youngsters on reproduction, anatomy, STDs, and contraception.  However, I don't think most teens are emotionally equipped to handle sexual relationships.  On the other hand, if we had to wait until the average person is emotionally ready, the age of consent would be 45.  ;D
There are enough yo-yos out there that I wouldn't be surprised if some schools were hiring exotic dancers and male escorts for show-and-tell!
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:oI'm not blaming sex ed--it's just that kids get fascinating with using obscene words at a very early age,and they think it's hilarious to get a reaction from someone when they use them,as well as other more sophisticated phrases.Sex ed can give them more tec hnical terms to arm themselves with.The internet gives them a way to put these phrases to use with relAtive anynomity.Cheers!

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Bum. Poo. Panties. Willy.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
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Panties????

You are a Brit, I thought that should be "knickers".

:D

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Panties????

You are a Brit, I thought that should be "knickers".

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Ian Dury & The Blockheads, a British group, had an album called New Boots And Panties!! so obviously they must use the word there sometimes. :D

Absolutely Vile

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Ian Dury & The Blockheads, a British group, had an album called New Boots And Panties!! so obviously they must use the word there sometimes. :D

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I remember Ian Dury, "hit me with your rhythm stick, two fat purses click, click,click..." and "Sex and drugs and rock 'n roll is very good indeed..."  Dury died a few years ago, but his son's got a record out.  Haven't heard it myself.  His name is Baxter Dury, or something.

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Hit me with your rhythm stick, hit me, hit maaaay, je t'adore, ich liebe dich, hit me hit me hit maaaaaaay.
I only say "panties" because for some reason it REALLY ANNOYS my mother. She is fine with the word "knickers" or "underwear" or even just "pants" but if one so much as whispers the word "panties" within earshot of her, she'll send one to one's room, thoroughly angry. She says it just "sets her teeth on edge". Wonder why.
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I dunno, but I also despise the word "panties," as well as "pants."

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I dunno, but I also despise the word "panties," as well as "pants."
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Same here.  I just call it "underwear", no gender specification.  Guess that's one way I'm PC ;D

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It's too pretentious and coy, really, isn't it? It's like the way the voice-over on thrush cream adverts talks about the "intimate feminine area". For God's sake, just call that part the genitals already.
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Ach, their sales would plummet! Euphemism works in advertizing.  The further you can get from the embarrassing problem and still refer to it, the better.  Why it must be embarrassing is another question.  Ever seen those, er, feminine hygene product ads where they refer to gentle spring breezes?

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AHAHAHAHA!! Feminine hygiene! Gentle spring breezes! ;D
Are all neurotypical women as hung-up and prudish about sex as this? My sister and her friends are like this as well, they cover their ears every time I so much as MENTION anything remotely related to sex! Being an Aspie, I don't know how much sex is accepted in society, so can someone enlighten me? Surely "gentle spring breezes" and "the intimate feminine area" can't be considered normal?!
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I think they meant "gentle spring breezes" in"the intimate feminine area", :-X ;D


Howard

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AHAHAHAHA!! Feminine hygiene! Gentle spring breezes! ;D
Are all neurotypical women as hung-up and prudish about sex as this? My sister and her friends are like this as well, they cover their ears every time I so much as MENTION anything remotely related to sex! Being an Aspie, I don't know how much sex is accepted in society, so can someone enlighten me? Surely "gentle spring breezes" and "the intimate feminine area" can't be considered normal?!
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What's an Aspie?
???

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 Ever seen those, er, feminine hygene product ads where they refer to gentle spring breezes?
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Or they refer to a "fresh rain scent".  Sorry, but where I live, it smells like dead fish after a rain.  Just what I want to smell like :P

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Or they refer to a "fresh rain scent".  Sorry, but where I live, it smells like dead fish after a rain.  Just what I want to smell like :P
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I've never had a girl who smelled like fresh rain or spring breezes before. :P ;D


Howard

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Panties????

You are a Brit, I thought that should be "knickers".

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I think we say both in Britain, Mr 80s. Though I used to say 'pants' to describe underwear when I was a kid and now I use it to describe something that's not good - I abuse the English language something chronic.  ;D

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I think we say both in Britain, Mr 80s. Though I used to say 'pants' to describe underwear when I was a kid and now I use it to describe something that's not good - I abuse the English language something chronic.  ;D
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Trousers.

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Yep, we say "trousers" instead of "pants" and "pants" instead of "underwear".
...Blimey, it's confusing once analysed, isn't it?
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from Internet Vigilantes to pants we've gone! ;)
Breeches, britches, slacks, drawers...
Did you know "pants" is a truncation of "pantaloons," which was a corruption of "pantaleone," after St. Pantaleone.  "Pan" is Greek for "all," and "leo" is Latin for "lion," so therefore "pants" originates as one who is "all lion."  See the link for more details on pants origins.
http://www.dl.ket.org/latin3/vocab/etym/history/pants.htm

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Trousers.
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Yes . . . To describe pants.  ???  ;D