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Subject: Kobe Bryant
OK, I know I will probably get some hate mail for this, but I thought I would put in my 2 cents worth.
It seems that Kobe Bryant's accuser will be forced to reveal her own sexual past in a preliminary hearing in the next week.
While generally I am opposed to such a thing, this is one of those exceptions where I actually agree with this.
I agree that who a woman sleeps with has no bearing on a rape case. Even half-way through, she has a right to say no, and if the man persists, it is rape. I have always believed this 100, and still do.
However, what disturbs me is the revelations that the woman (possibly) had sex with 2-3 other men AFTER Kobe, and before she brought charges up to the police. To me, this is disturbing.
Don't get me wrong, rape is rape, and she Kobe may have raped her. Or it nay just be a case of a gal looking for a payoff/publicity/sympathy. But just as she has the right to bring charges, he should have the right to find out if something like this happened after the "assault", but before his own actions were reported.
Personally, even if consentual, I still think Kobe is a scumbag. He has a lovely wife, and I still remember seeing him on the news last year when their child was born. To cheat on your wife and risk her health like that is a pretty low thing to begin with.
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
^Keep in mind that us ordinary, mortal men have no comprehension of the amount sexual and drug/alcohol temptation that these atheletes and rock stars go through. They are not living the lives we live.
Those guys have women literally throwing themselves at them everywhere they go.
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
Yeah I agree with you a 100%. I lost respect for Kobe for cheating on his beautiful wife. There are guys & gals ;D who wouldn't mind loving his wife...yet he goes and cheat on her with some skank. Yuck! If he was that horny...why didn't he fly his wife out to Colorado to be with him ??? It makes no sense to me...
If this female (accuser), slept with 2-3 guys after (supposedly) Kobe raped her--says a LOT about her character --obviously casting doubt on her story.
Years ago, a scumbag (fellow military soldier) tried to rape me. I defended myself as I was taught in boot camp to do. Needless to say, the culprit was NOT successful. Plus he was sent to the hospital. Thereafter, he was immediately brought up on charges. I said that...to say this...going through that traumatic experience...the LAST thing on my mind was sex. In fact, I went thru a period where I HATED men.
If there is proof found on Kobe's accuser went and had sex with 2-3 guys AFTER she claims that Kobe raped her? I would NOT believe her accusations.
This is from a female's point of view.
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
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Years ago, a scumbag (fellow military soldier) tried to rape me. I defended myself as I was taught in boot camp to do. Needless to say, the culprit was NOT successful. Plus he was sent to the hospital. Thereafter, he was immediately brought up on charges. I said that...to say this...going through that traumatic experience...the LAST thing on my mind was sex. In fact, I went thru a period where I HATED men.
If there is proof found on Kobe's accuser went and had sex with 2-3 guys AFTER she claims that Kobe raped her? I would NOT believe her accusations.
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I can probably come as close as most guys to understanding what you mean.
Before I met my ex wife, she was raped. In fact, I have a beautiful step-daughter because of this (and I never treated her any different then I did my own son, I still love her dearly). I was the first guy she dated after this, and it was almost 3 years later. My late fiancee was date-raped, and it took her almost a year to date again after that.
I think to me, it is the fact that she slept with these men AFTER the rape, yet BEFORE she reported it to the police. This is what I just can't explain or justify. I might even accept having sex with somebody comforting afterwards, to try and make things more "normal". But being with 2 or more guys in the 24-48 hours before she reported it? As far as I am concerned, it blows all credability in my eyes.
BTW: When I heard of this, I did not think "This is Kobe, he is innocent". My response was just like when Mike Tyson, Rush Limbaugh, Martha Stewart, or anybody else famous does something like this. I just shook my head, and thought to myself "Kobe, you dumb$@*%".
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
LOL @Mr. 80s. I shook my head too when I heard about Kobe.
First of all, I am very sorry to hear about what happened to your ex-wife and late fiancee. I'm sure it took them awhile to be comfortable with men again. :( It sounds like you were there to be supportive. I commend you.
You're right...the fact that Kobe's accuser didn't go to authorities immediately concerns me. I would think it would be "natural" to get them involved as soon as possible???
I feel sorry for Kobe's wife. I'm sure it would be hard for her to trust him again.
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
I hadn't heard that she had sex with the other people after Kobe, I thought it was before. If it's after, however, I have to question her credability. I was date raped in college, and like others, the LAST thing on my mind for quite a while was sex. I honestly don't believe he raped her, but I wasn't there and I still don't have all the facts.
As far as the "temptation" that celebrities are under, I have seen it first hand. Not myself, but with my brother and one of my SIL's friends. He's not a celebrity, but he works with some semi-famous bands. Girls are throwing themselves at him on a daily basis, usually trying to get closer to a band member. He has never succumbed to the pressure, at least that's what I've been told by various people he works with. Then again, he knows that if he ever did, my SIL would do a "Lorena Bobbitt" on him. ;D Most of the wives, however, just accept this as part of "being famous" and turn a blind eye to it all. As far as the SIL's friend, she has been the "other woman" for a couple of famous athletes. She has even met one of the wives who told her "just send him home when you're done" :o
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
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She has even met one of the wives who told her "just send him home when you're done" :o
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Yeah, "Send him home with V.D." :P
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
Can't say whether this evidence will have bearing on the case. The only way I'm going to know what really happened is by interviewing the parties and looking in their eyes 8).
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However, what disturbs me is the revelations that the woman (possibly) had sex with 2-3 other men AFTER Kobe, and before she brought charges up to the police. To me, this is disturbing.
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Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
@80s cheerleader: Sorry to hear that happened to you.
As far as the "celebrity" thing...yeah I see it all the time. In fact, in another post regarding "Celebrities we dislike" (something like that) I mentioned when I met the football player Tiki Barber at a New York City charitable event in Dec 2003. He didn't seem interested when I went to shake his hand or listen to what I had to say because he was surrounded by skanks. Skanks who gave me the evil eye when I approached him. I extended my hand and he simply left me hanging. He smiled and was quick to say "Uh yeah it's nice to meet you too". Then he turned his back on me. He continued to converse with the skanks. These women had $$$ in their eyes and they were in competition with one another. He's a married man but that did NOT stop them. He didn't give me the time of the day because I wasn't trying to get him back at the hotel room. All I wanted to do was get an autograph, possibly a picture and to tell him that I was a fan. Since I lacked the "hoochie-mama" attire... He could give a rat's butt if I were a fan or not. :-[
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
No matter how much of a skanky dirtbag Kobe's accuser is,I still blame HIM for not having restraint in dealing with the loser,and for disrespecting his wife by 'doing' golddiggers like her!
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
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No matter how much of a skanky dirtbag Kobe's accuser is,I still blame HIM for not having restraint in dealing with the loser,and for disrespecting his wife by 'doing' golddiggers like her!
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Kobe's wife should DIVORCE his sorry arse!! Or give him the Bobbitt cure!
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Kobe's wife should DIVORCE his sorry arse!! Or give him the Bobbitt cure!
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Aw come on now. Who can blame Kobe for this? I mean he was out there getting his. He's a "player". He's gotta "hit it" with as many women as he can. And he sure showers his lady with the "bling bling". Heck, she should be thankful. A player like him just HAS to get "booty" any way and any time he wants. You can't expect him to have self control. That would be "judgemental". To be against Kobe is to be a "hater"!
...and this is the brand of soap that LOTS of people would try to sell you. :-/
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Aw come on now. Who can blame Kobe for this? I mean he was out there getting his. He's a "player". He's gotta "hit it" with as many women as he can. And he sure showers his lady with the "bling bling". Heck, she should be thankful. A player like him just HAS to get "booty" any way and any time he wants. You can't expect him to have self control. That would be "judgemental". To be against Kobe is to be a "hater"!
...and this is the brand of soap that LOTS of people would try to sell you. :-/
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I agree. I couldn't imagine being married to a celebrity that would "hit it" with other women just because they threw themselves at him. If I heard it was happening I would toss him out on his rear. Just because the spouse is famous isn't a reason to allow that kind of behavior. These women need to love themselves a little more and get out.
(Just the opinion of a woman whose marriage ended because he was cheating)
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
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Aw come on now. Who can blame Kobe for this? I mean he was out there getting his. He's a "player". He's gotta "hit it" with as many women as he can. And he sure showers his lady with the "bling bling". Heck, she should be thankful. A player like him just HAS to get "booty" any way and any time he wants. You can't expect him to have self control. That would be "judgemental". To be against Kobe is to be a "hater"!
...and this is the brand of soap that LOTS of people would try to sell you. :-/
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Once you marry somebody he or she should be loyal. Why have sex some woman you just met?
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
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Once you marry somebody he or she should be loyal. Why have sex some woman you just met?
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Because it makes Kobe a "big man", a "playah". You see, people like him have no sense of self-worth as a man, so they look to being "playahs" to make them feel like they have self esteem.
However, once his basketball talents wane, he will find that the people who idolize him for being a "playah" will be long gone and won't give a ratt's butt about him.
So he may as well "hit it" as much as he can today, because in a few years he will be left out with yesterday's trash. >:(
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Because it makes Kobe a "big man", a "playah". You see, people like him have no sense of self-worth as a man, so they look to being "playahs" to make them feel like they have self esteem.
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Yea, look at what being a "playah" got Magic Johnson.
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Yea, look at what being a "playah" got Magic Johnson.
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You gotta admit that a "playah" with a name like "Magic Johnson" getting A.I.D.S. is almost poetic. :P
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
Contracting HIV which leads to AIDS is a serious matter. You would think athletes today would have learned Magic Johnson's situation. No. They still think it's cool and fashionable to be a "playah, playah". If I were Kobe's wife I divorce him and get whatever I could get from the deal. I would show him who is the TRUE golddigger.
He put her thru too much embarrasment, pain and anguish not to walk away without something.
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
It's the old "that happens to someone else, but not me" syndrome.
I guess such is human nature, we are never satisfied with what we have, we are always wanting that which is forbidden...
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
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Contracting HIV which leads to AIDS is a serious matter. You would think athletes today would have learned Magic Johnson's situation. No. They still think it's cool and fashionable to be a "playah, playah". If I were Kobe's wife I divorce him and get whatever I could get from the deal. I would show him who is the TRUE golddigger.
He put her thru too much embarrasment, pain and anguish not to walk away without something.
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If I were Kobe's wife I'd get myself an A.I.D.S. test. :P
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
I think that if someone says no that is rape you are right. Also I believe he knew that he made a mistake by cheating on his wife, but that is a problem that Kobe & his wife should have the right to decide what the consequenses should be. As far as the "Accuser" goes, they found another guys semen in the underware she was wearing when she went to the hospital to report the rape. That means that either that day she had been with another guy(s) or she wears dirty underware either way GROSS! Her sex life is also her business. I just know that speaking from a personal level if Kobe was naked in front of me I would do it, that might make me a bad person but it also attributes to the validity of her claim. Kobe could have a lot of woman, why would he go for the one that says no. There is too much of a risk factor for him in his positions. He is a smart man & this is something a sick person with nothing to lose would do. Kobe has millions of dollars, a beautiful wife, and many endorsements that would not like the reflection of rape on them. Where as just cheating on your wife is something a lot of you out there can relate to. That is my point & I am done. :P
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Kobe could have a lot of woman, why would he go for the one that says no. There is too much of a risk factor for him in his positions. He is a smart man & this is something a sick person with nothing to lose would do. End Quote
Why? The answer is as old as time itself!
Why did Adam and Eve bite the apple? I mean, they had EVERYTHING and were on Easy Street.
That which is forbidden is all the more attractive.
Subject: Re: Kobe Bryant
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No matter how much of a skanky dirtbag Kobe's accuser is,I still blame HIM for not having restraint in dealing with the loser,and for disrespecting his wife by 'doing' golddiggers like her!
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There's a lot to be said for this point of view. Kobe and his accuser are victims of the stupid messages our culture sounds both women and men about sex.
Men are encouraged to get it whenever, where ever, and as often as they can.
Women are encouraged by a bogus "liberation" attitude to "celebrate their sexuality." They're encouraged by pop culture in general to 'ho it up.
Time and again this puts women, particularly women in their teens and 20s, into situations they can't handle. They don't know they don't want to have sex until it's too late, and they feel they are being, or have been, raped.
There was a case a few years ago at U-Florida, Miami, in which a woman hired by a fraternity to be an exotic (ie. buck naked) dancer at a frat party. She claimed she was raped. She spent hours performing lewdly, and taunting drunken frat boys. What did she think was going to happen? I'm not talking about what SHOULD have happened, or what she DESERVED, I'm talking about what the LIKELY RESULT of her behavior would be.
These young women have no sense of danger. Feminist theorists have been no help. They have encouraged the attitude of "I can do what I want, but you've got to to what I say." This attitude doesn't reflect reality. When a person engages in risky behavior and steps into shadows the law can't see, the "victim" may not find redress in court. NOW and other organizations cry foul whenever an accused rapist gets absolved, but they never change their tune. They don't tell young women not to drink with strange men, for example.
In the old days, Kobe's handlers would never have allowed an unchaperoned 19 year old woman into his room. But the old days were sexist and repressive, and treated women like children, right? Well, yeah, but at least the old rules kept the dumb ones from hurting themselves.
As for Kobe, he has to pay the price for keeping his brains between his legs, even though he'll probably be foundnot guilty. His arrogant and selfish behavior one day in Colorado will stick to his name until the day he dies. He took a vow to his wife, that's one thing. Another is that there are women out there who will make accusations against celebrities for personal gain. Did his management ever brief him on that?
As in most cases of "date rape," there are no witnesses, it's her word against his. Dropping out of view with a strange woman put his entire career in jeopardy, but he was too h*rny to consider this.
Aggressive behavior by men is rewarded by women. I was called sexist in college for saying women shouldn't go to frat parties and jock jams. When they go where the aggressive men are and drink and flirt, they send the message to these men to keep up their animalistic instincts because, obviously, hot women prefer the crude to the courtly. I said it didn't matter who thought I was sexist, because it wasn't about me. Heck, maybe I shouldn't care when I hear about women getting raped, but I do, and every time I wish it didn't happen.