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I wouldn't mind having a female president, but there's something about Hillary that I just don't like.  What would the husband be called if a woman actually did win?
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First Man?


Cat

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I wouldn't mind having a female president, but there's something about Hillary that I just don't like.  What would the husband be called if a woman actually did win?
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I agree...I think a female president would be good for this country, just not her.

First dude?  No...even better "the old ball and chain" ;)

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dagwood are you a.........LIBERAL!!!!!?????? :o
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Nope.  I am actually quite conservative.  I just think a woman might do a good job as President.  Just not Hillary Clinton.  I have seen enough of her to last a lifetime.

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That's pure conjecture, IMO.

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Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if misguided.

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I doubt she would get all the women vote, most women go for a canidate the consider hot or cute.....no telling how many times I heard that about Mr. Clinton.  If it wasn't for blacks and women voters their would be no democratic party.
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That is really the most absurd statement I have ever heard. What I read from this statement is that you think women are too ignorant to be able to choose a candidate based on his (or her) record, ideals, or anything else besides looks. I really take offense to that statement. As for your comment about blacks and women being the only members of the Democratic party, I think that SOUNDS very racist as well as sexist. In the 2000 election, even though Bush won the electoral college, Gore did get the majority of votes-I'm sure that was more then just the black and women's vote.



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I doubt she would get all the women vote, most women go for a canidate the consider hot or cute.....no telling how many times I heard that about Mr. Clinton.  If it wasn't for blacks and women voters their would be no democratic party.
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That sounds like a very racist and sexist remark... >:(
BTW its people with neanderthal views such as this that give blacks and women REASON to vote democratic or opposite any political party that has this mode of backwards thinking...I'm black and I am neither a dem or a republican, I, unlike some, like to give myself more options and choices than just two, and think the two party system is the reason this country has the problems it continues to suffer to this day...

GWBush2004, I hope for the countrys sake you're are not an example of the majority of Bush supporters, if so we are in for some sad and poor times ahead if he is re-elected. I haven't heard such offensive remarks since David Duke ran for office...

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That sounds like a very racist and sexist remark... >:(
BTW its people with neanderthal views such as this that give blacks and women REASON to vote democratic or opposite any political party that has this mode of backwards thinking...I'm black and I am neither a dem or a republican, I, unlike some, like to give myself more options and choices than just two
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Well, as a woman, I have voted for both Dems & Republicans as well as Ross Perot.  So, I guess the theory that ALL women are democrats & vote for candidates that are "hot or cute" has been thrown out the window.  I have to say, though, that if I have to pick between GW & Kerry, I probably won't vote.

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if I have to pick between GW & Kerry, I probably won't vote.
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Speaking as a citizen in general -

I totally agree.

I'd be hard-pressed to vote for either one of those two. :P

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GWBush2004, I hope for the countrys sake you're are not an example of the majority of Bush supporters, if so we are in for some sad and poor times ahead if he is re-elected. I haven't heard such offensive remarks since David Duke ran for office...
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Trust me, he isn't.  I am a Bush supporter and was offended by that statement, also.  Being a woman I don't just vote for the "cute" candidate..I vote for the one who represents what I believe the best.

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Marilyn Milian could be the vice president...No one would dare mess with us. ;) ;D

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I doubt she would get all the women vote, most women go for a canidate the consider hot or cute.....no telling how many times I heard that about Mr. Clinton.  If it wasn't for blacks and women voters their would be no democratic party.
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Sounds like you're time warped and stepped out of a time machine from 1904!

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Marilyn Milian could be the vice president...No one would dare mess with us. ;) ;D
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8) 8) 8)

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 If it wasn't for blacks and women voters their would be no democratic party.
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So I guess it would it be OK if I responded: "If it wasn't for biggots and facists there wouldn't be a Republican party".  ::)

Ugh! Stop behaving like a child. Grow up and show us all you can act like a human being with a rational brain.

I would vote for Hilary without a moments hesitation. Something tells me she wouldn't be murdering American soldiers like your beloved Anti-Christ, Georgey Pordgey.

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One last thing why should people who don't pay taxes get tax rebates!!!???
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Well, hubby and I paid a boat load of taxes and we sure as heck didn't get any rebate.  In fact, thanks to GW's "tax cuts", our refund was capped & we were bumped into the highest tax bracket. ::)

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how much do you make?  I only make 65,000 a year and I am not married and do not have kids and I got a nice big fat check.
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Let me put it this way, we paid more in taxes than you made.  We are getting a nice refund, but our deductions were capped because of the new "tax break".  Just for kicks, we had the numbers run through last years tax program and our refund was significantly more.

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Catwomanofv I got you now.  In one topic on page 5 you said ''One thing I will say about Edwards, he is a real cutie.''.  But now you're acting like you vote based on a political stance and not for a canidate you think is cute!?  You lied you're just like most women,  I say we go back to the original constitution of the United States before the liberals came in whining and crying about poor women not being able to vote.
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Just because she said he's a cutie doesn't mean she's going to vote for him.  I like Edwards, but it's not because of his looks, it's partially because he's run a clean campaign, unlike many others.  He could look like Atilla the Hun, I could care less, as long as I believed in what he was saying.  Like I said earlier, I have voted for both reps & dems & even Ross Perot, and none of them were cute.

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Catwomanofv I got you now.  In one topic on page 5 you said ''One thing I will say about Edwards, he is a real cutie.''.  But now you're acting like you vote based on a political stance and not for a canidate you think is cute!?  You lied you're just like most women,  I say we go back to the original constitution of the United States before the liberals came in whining and crying about poor women not being able to vote.
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Basically, 80sCheerleader said it. Yes, I did say he was cute. I did not say that I was going to vote for him. At this point in time, I don't know who I am going to vote for. (The candidate who I was planning to vote for dropped out.) But, I will tell you right now, whoever gets the nom, is getting my vote in Nov. It has nothing to do with looks, or even party. It has to do with the fact that Bush needs to be ousted. He has done enough damage to this country in the past 3 years.



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It has to do with the fact that Bush needs to be ousted. He has done enough damage to this country in the past 3 years.

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AMEN SISTER!!!

SAY IT AGAIN!!!

SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!!!

Zed

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You people seem pretty upset that Bush didn't need a permission slip from France to go to war.  And angry they dug Saddam out of a hole and threw him in jail.  Angry the unemployment rate is the lowest its ever been since oct. 1963 (5.6% now and 5.8 when Clinton's regime was around.)  Angry that the GDP is the best its ever been in 20 years.  The economy is moving along great, Bush is fighting the war on terror abroad and is supporting a tradional way of America life.  Bush weather y'all like it or not will win the 2004 election and he has already secured my vote.
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Nope, try again.  I was for the war in Iraq, but your info regarding the unemployment rate is wrong according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1994 6.6 6.6 6.5 6.4 6.1 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.8 5.6 5.5  
1995 5.6 5.4 5.4 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6  
1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4  
1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7  
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4  
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0  
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.9 3.9 3.9  
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.7  
2002 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0  
2003 5.8 5.9 5.8 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.7  
2004 5.6                

True, the GDP is up, interest rates are down.  That's good for my mortgage, but my investments are in the toilet.  I honestly haven't made up my mind, but the thing I don't like about most Republicans is they think that their way is the only way, whereas the "liberals" allow people to think for themselves.  

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Hmmm, I think the same can be said for some aspects of the Democratic party, which is probably why it's a good thing you vote independent :)

About the recession/unemployment...I do recall that even before Bush took office, the internet startup bubble was starting to burst and the markets were entering the crash, so you really can't blame that on Dubya, at least not totally.  Not to mention that barely 8 months into his term, the fit hit the shan...

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your wrong i remember specifically on C-Span them saying the lowest umemployment rate during Clinton's era was 5.8% and NOW (not the entire time Bush was in office) its 5.6% and my brother-in-law who I hate so much AND MAKES ME SO ANGRY finally has his first job (hes 38) at subway subs.
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hey, I copied that chart directly from the us dept of labor website so I guess they're the ones who are wrong. ::)

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Nope.  I am actually quite conservative.  I just think a woman might do a good job as President.  Just not Hillary Clinton.  I have seen enough of her to last a lifetime.
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Same here, Dagwood :P

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You people seem pretty upset that Bush didn't need a permission slip from France to go to war.  And angry they dug Saddam out of a hole and threw him in jail.  Angry the unemployment rate is the lowest its ever been since oct. 1963 (5.6% now and 5.8 when Clinton's regime was around.)  Angry that the GDP is the best its ever been in 20 years.  The economy is moving along great, Bush is fighting the war on terror abroad and is supporting a tradional way of America life.  Bush weather y'all like it or not will win the 2004 election and he has already secured my vote.
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I'll tell you what I am angry about. I am angry because over 500 Amercans were killed in a war about oil control. (If it was truely about WMD, where are they?) As to the capture of Saddam, that was the Kurds who captured him and turned him over to the U.S. But, we are still no safer then before his capture.

I am angry that he has created a mandate for schools that he is not paying for. Because of this, many children are being left behind.

I am angry that he give mega tax cuts for his rich buddies as jobs for the average Joe  goes overseas. How do you justify that just 3 years ago the U.S. had record surplus and now it has a record deficit?

I am angry because he disregards the Constitution-The Fourth Admendment states, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated." Can you say, "Patriot Act"? The Fifth Admendments states, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or INDICTMENT of a Grand Jury..." Can you say, "Guantomino Bay" (and others)? Section 8 states that Congress has the right to declare war. Granted the Congress gave up their right to Bush which was a BIG mistake.

I am very angry that this guy is running amuck without any restraint or accountability for his actions. The guy is extremely corrupted and really needs to be brought to justice!



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Now think about this rationally if mrs.clinton should get women votes wouldn't the man get all the male votes?  
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No, maybe the men might vote for Hillary because she is hot or cute!

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NOW I DON'T WANT TO SOUND RASCIST but 94% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000, you can't get 94% of the people to agree the sky is blue on a clear day.  Blacks and women vote democratic its not to be mean its just true.  
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But you do sound racist....Maybe they thought that Gore was the better man for the job!!!

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how much do you make?  I only make 65,000 a year and I am not married and do not have kids and I got a nice big fat check.
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Only $65,000!!!! Sucks to be you!

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Only $65,000!!!! Sucks to be you!
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Exactly what I was thinking!

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Only $65,000!!!! Sucks to be you!
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I'll third that emotion...

Then Cheer had to say "we paid more than that in taxes..." Sheesh!!!!!!!   :P

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I'll tell you what I am angry about. I am angry because over 500 Amercans were killed in a war about oil control. (If it was truely about WMD, where are they?) As to the capture of Saddam, that was the Kurds who captured him and turned him over to the U.S. But, we are still no safer then before his capture.End Quote

Just Americans?! What about the innocent Iraqi civillians who had nothing to do with the war, but lost their lives because they were in Iraq? They had no reason to die! What about the little boy who was shot in the head by American soldiers, but they didn't want to help him out? The Greek government stepped in! Yes this war was senseless, and it probably was about oil control and not about "weapons of mass destruction" (weapons which, by the way, they got from the US). However I still think G.W. just wanted to finish what Daddy started off. He wanted to make Daddy proud.

And he's not just murdered people in Iraq. What about Afghanistan? Bush not only murdered Americans, but also Canadians (we buried our first war dead in 50 years, all because we were intimidated to participate fighting instead of peacekeeping), British, Australians, and whatever other countries participated in that war. And I'm sure countless innocent Afghans perished as well. They had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks, and I'm almost certain that most of the population of Afghanistan aren't terrorists! What happened to Osama bin Laden? Wasn't Bush supposed to go after him? Has he completely lost track of things? Osama bin Laden is now "Osama bin Forgotten!"

I totally agree with the rest of your post as well. Bush must be stopped before he resorts to genocide!!!

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I'll third that emotion...

Then Cheer had to say "we paid more than that in taxes..." Sheesh!!!!!!!   :P



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Whaaaaaaaatttt???????  Well, we did ;)

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Just Americans?! What about the innocent Iraqi civillians who had nothing to do with the war, but lost their lives because they were in Iraq? They had no reason to die! What about the little boy who was shot in the head by American soldiers, but they didn't want to help him out? The Greek government stepped in! Yes this war was senseless, and it probably was about oil control and not about "weapons of mass destruction" (weapons which, by the way, they got from the US). However I still think G.W. just wanted to finish what Daddy started off. He wanted to make Daddy proud.

And he's not just murdered people in Iraq. What about Afghanistan? Bush not only murdered Americans, but also Canadians (we buried our first war dead in 50 years, all because we were intimidated to participate fighting instead of peacekeeping), British, Australians, and whatever other countries participated in that war. And I'm sure countless innocent Afghans perished as well. They had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks, and I'm almost certain that most of the population of Afghanistan aren't terrorists! What happened to Osama bin Laden? Wasn't Bush supposed to go after him? Has he completely lost track of things? Osama bin Laden is now "Osama bin Forgotten!"

I totally agree with the rest of your post as well. Bush must be stopped before he resorts to genocide!!!

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You are most deffinately right. I did forget to mention about ALL the civilians in a few countries (the White House is not keeping track of) who has died so Bush's buddies can have control over the Middle East's oil.



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Lets start off with this, yes i'm somewhat poor and just in average joe working at lockheed making 65,000 a year?  So what, its not bad for someone with only a high school degree.  But you all have to admit people are richer then you, donald trump, bill gates, ross perot, so stop acting all high and mighty. End Quote

I'm a teacher.  I make $36000 a year.  I have a degree in molecular biology and a master's of immunology.  I haven't said that to you until now, because it seems to me that you're the one acting "all high and mighty".

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Now, yeah we lost over 500 soldiers but compared to Vietnam, Korea, WW 1 and 2, and especially civil (lost 620,000 there) thats not bad.  500 people die every 500 seconds with is just a couple of minutes big deal its called a sacrifice.
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I supported the war, and still do.  What I don't appreciate is the way you're trivializing this.  Yes, 500 pales in comparison to the tens of thousands who died in the world wars, but don't pretend that the sacrifices in Iraq are any less important.

You seem like a straight Newsmax/FOX News "conservative", someone who bugs me almost as much as the CNN/New York Times liberals :P

For the record, I watch both FOX and CNN, but I take neither as gospel.  I like to think for myself.

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Now, yeah we lost over 500 soldiers but compared to Vietnam, Korea, WW 1 and 2, and especially civil (lost 620,000 there) thats not bad.  500 people die every 500 seconds with is just a couple of minutes big deal its called a sacrifice.
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People always seem to look at soldiers being dispensable, which I never could understand because they are still human beings like everyone else.
What would you think if people thought you or your family were dispensable?  Would that be no big deal?  Would you call that a sacrifice?

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Lets start off with this, yes i'm somewhat poor and just in average joe working at lockheed making 65,000 a year?  So what, its not bad for someone with only a high school degree.
Now, yeah we lost over 500 soldiers but compared to Vietnam, Korea, WW 1 and 2, and especially civil (lost 620,000 there) thats not bad.  500 people die every 500 seconds with is just a couple of minutes big deal its called a sacrifice.
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Wow, I just realized something, GWBush2004 is a plant by the dems or Kerry!

He has to be, there is NO WAY someone who supports Bush and wants him reelected would continue to spout such inflaming remarks & unsupported information. Anyone who has this mindset is obviouly trying to raise the ire of anti-Bush supporters & embarrass Bush & his admistration.

Very clever and sly, you certainly had me fooled into thinking you were really a backward person with arcaic thoughts on people, life and politics here in the good ol US of A. By making us aware of the actual psyche of an average Bush supporter we see the danger of letting Mr. Bush stay in office for a second term.

Keep it up GWBush2004, by insulting, black & women voters, vetrans, & realitives of those who lost their lives in Iraq (dems & GOP members alike) and wiping your boots on the "average Joe" who makes less than $65K (with your fat tax return check) you will ensure that Bush will join his dad in having a one term presidential life! :D
Thanks again!

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I'll tell you what I am angry about. I am angry because over 500 Amercans were killed in a war about oil control. (If it was truely about WMD, where are they?) As to the capture of Saddam, that was the Kurds who captured him and turned him over to the U.S. But, we are still no safer then before his capture.

I am angry that he has created a mandate for schools that he is not paying for. Because of this, many children are being left behind.

I am angry that he give mega tax cuts for his rich buddies as jobs for the average Joe  goes overseas. How do you justify that just 3 years ago the U.S. had record surplus and now it has a record deficit?

I am angry because he disregards the Constitution-The Fourth Admendment states, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated." Can you say, "Patriot Act"? The Fifth Admendments states, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or INDICTMENT of a Grand Jury..." Can you say, "Guantomino Bay" (and others)? Section 8 states that Congress has the right to declare war. Granted the Congress gave up their right to Bush which was a BIG mistake.

I am very angry that this guy is running amuck without any restraint or accountability for his actions. The guy is extremely corrupted and really needs to be brought to justice!



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But you're leaving out ALL the sick willy stuff...least of all was him setting criminals free in his final days of office :-/

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Lets start off with this, yes i'm somewhat poor and just in average joe working at lockheed making 65,000 a year?  
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I wish I were that kind of poor.  I am a single mom making $30,000.  Heck 65 would make things much easier around the Dagwood household.

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If the "last post" date on this thread is February 22nd, why is it stuck between two threads that were last updated on March 31st? Was a post deleted or something?
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Yeah, my post got zapped.  The thread got pretty obnoxious, as you could see, with people discussing the three social no-nos: religion, politics, and annual salaries.  But, you know, there's always gotta be a guy who goes one step too far, and this time, I was that guy!
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