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Subject: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
The Reason not to vote for him is simple in my book,
He illegally stole the election with his brother Jeb, they rigged it, it's a moral obscenity him being in office, all those responsible in the illegal theft of the Presidency should face criminal charges. Bush was illegally selected by the Supreme Court, Bush should have been legally impeached and removed from office for the Theft of the Presidency, and possibly face criminal charges, votes of the elderly, Jews and Blacks, that voted for Gore were discarded,
It is my belief that Gore won the Majority of Votes in Florida, and that Gore Truly won the election
And the American people are going to Reward him with a 2nd Term.???!!! Such Madness,
He doesn't even belong in office for 1 term, where is the outrage at the Theft of the Presidency??
Our right to vote has become tarnished.
John Kerry, or whoever has the best bet of beating Bush, should hammer the point, about how Bush illegally stole the election, that ALONE is Supreme reason why he should be Defeated. Maybe even a different Republican would be better than Bush.
And Speaking of "Compassionate Conservatism" what is that, what has Bush done for the working people??
I truly suggest the book
"Perfectly Legal" by David Cay Johnston.
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You're still harping on that? ::)
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You're still harping on that? ::)
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I don't really blame him; W. is an absolute @sshole (and I'm suppose to be a Christian)!
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Quoting:He illegally stole the election with his brother Jeb, they rigged it...
It is my belief that Gore won the Majority of Votes in Florida, and that Gore Truly won the electionEnd Quote
Prove it.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
...because he displays anti-Canadian tendencies?
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where is the outrage at the Theft of the Presidency??
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Maybe there is no outrage because he didn't steal the election. I concur with Rice Cube.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
This is a conspiracy theory that you have no proof for.
He may have won on a technicality, but that's completely different from winning illegally. Out of all the reasons for not voting for him, this is a pretty stupid one.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
The whole "Bush stole the election" garbage is so old and outplayed its not even funny.
AndrewTalkingWalnut, if Bush did "steal" the election, do you honestly beleive that the media and Bush opponents wouldn't have done something about it by now? I mean you are talking about a major major federal issue here, not just stealing a pack of gum from 7-11.
And like Rice said, "prove it". Beleive me, if all the major media outlets and independent investigations into the 2000 election haven't been able to find Bush guilty of anything wrong, then why are you still going along with it? I mean, Howard Dean tried that angle at first in all his campaign speeches, and look where it got him. Sinking and sinking fast. ;)
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
My reason for not voting for Bush in 2004 has nothing to do with stealing Florida in 2000, the economy or has stance on war. I don't like him because he's the worst environmental President ever, and I work for the guy. :-[
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
Election results throughout American history
I seem to recall three incidents where the President was decided by electoral vote even though his opponent won the popular vote.
Under Article II of the Constitution, because neither John Quincy Adams nor Andrew Jackson won the plurality of electoral votes, so Congress voted for Adams as President. Andrew Jackson ran again the next term and won.
Rutherford B. Hayes won the electoral vote but lost the popular vote to Tilden. Hayes elected not to run for re-election the following term.
Grover Cleveland lost the electoral vote but won the popular vote in his re-election bid against Benjamin Harrison. He ran again the next term and won, becoming the only President so far to serve non-consecutive terms.
My point?
Through 200+ years of American history, nobody bitched about losing the electoral vote until Gore in 2000. Jackson and Cleveland bit their tongues and beat the pants off their "illegal President" the following term. Maybe if Gore hadn't been such a loser about it he could still have enough political clout to run this year, but too bad his bellyaching cost him dearly in the eyes of the American public.
By the way, Jackson and Cleveland were Democrats. But I guess that was before they went insane.
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too bad his bellyaching cost him dearly in the eyes of the American public.End Quote
I don't believe that to be necessarily true. Much of the American public still holds Gore in high regard. I think he withdrew from the public out of frustration. I also think he had decided then he wouldn't run again.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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...because he displays anti-Canadian tendencies?
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I don't think Bush is anti-canadian. I just think he was anti-Chretien. And I don't think I blame him for that.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
I don't know how I'm going to vote yet, believe it or not. I hear on the news that a great number of people are still as undecided as I am, so I don't feel too bad.
As to an absolute reason not to vote for Bush, whatever the reason it may be for some people, I think it should be based on an educated assessment of his performance of his duties while in office and issues of substance, as opposed to the reason (not to vote for Bush) being based on unproven allegations.
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I don't believe that to be necessarily true. Much of the American public still holds Gore in high regard. I think he withdrew from the public out of frustration. I also think he had decided then he wouldn't run again.
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I agree. I think Al Gore is very respected by at least half the American public, if not more. Gore's endorsement of Howard Dean carried a lot of weight. I also agree that Gore withdrew from the public because he was just too frustrated. I don't blame the guy, Republicans ruthlessly investiaged Bill Clinton for everything, and Al Gore had to carry all of that. Plus the so called "liberal media" really went after Gore for being "stiff" and "unlikeable". While at the same time they embraced Dubya because he came across like more of a guy you could hang out with on Sunday and watch a game of football with a round of beers. I think Al Gore will be back one day though, he came within a hair of the presidency. That's just way too close to not want to give it another shot.
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If Gore is so popular, then I wonder how his endorsement of the Democrat candidate in 2002 failed in unseat Jeb Bush in Florida and how his endorsement of Dean now isn't exactly working very well... ;)
Not to mention he screwed Lieberman over by endorsing Dean. But maybe Dean will get those ten extra votes he needs after the endorsement from Carol Moseley Braun ;D
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If Gore is so popular, then I wonder how his endorsement of the Democrat candidate in 2002 failed in unseat Jeb Bush in Florida and how his endorsement of Dean now isn't exactly working very well... ;)End Quote
His endorsement for Dean brought the man from virtual unknown to front runner among the Democrats. Sure Dean lost the Iowa Caucaus and NH primary, but it was the Gore endoresment that gave the man the rocket boost he didn't have before.
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Not to mention he screwed Lieberman over by endorsing Dean. But maybe Dean will get those ten extra votes he needs after the endorsement from Carol Moseley Braun ;D
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What the heck does this have to do with anything?
Most of the posts I've read of yours indicate you are a right wing leaning person when it comes to politics. You also tend to make short, one liner statments with an emoticon attatched and you seem to sit there and bask in what you think is your supposed coy conservative wittyness. Now with all honsety, I'm not intending to be mean to you or pick a fight with you. Really I'm not. I know what I'm typing here is going to put you off and will most likely provoke a harsh response, but like a lot of right wingers, you just have that veeneer of dreadful Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity type sarcasm and smarmy holier than thou self righteousness.
Really, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I've been an on and off poster and lurker on these boards for a long time, and I've just had to say that. There's no easy way to say this without it coming across like I'm being mean spirited, but dude a lot times you're just annoying.
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If Gore is so popular, then I wonder how his endorsement of the Democrat candidate in 2002 failed in unseat Jeb Bush in Florida and how his endorsement of Dean now isn't exactly working very well... ;)End Quote
...not only that, but didn't Gore help Gray Davis campaign to keep his governership this year? We all know how much Gore "helped" that situation. ;)
Gore is like a curse when he endorses people.
I see Gore the same way I see Clinton. They both refuse to step aside and move on. They are both determined to milk out every last ounce of their presidency in a lame attempt to stay in the spotlight just one more day. ::)
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There's no easy way to say this without it coming across like I'm being mean spirited, but dude a lot times you're just annoying.
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I'll take that as a compliment ;)
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Quoting:There's no easy way to say this without it coming across like I'm being mean spirited, but dude a lot times you're just annoying.
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Is this really necessary? ::)
Back to topic....
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
Back to the OP.
I am greatly disturbed by your uneducated rant. I'll quote someone from the board and say "it makes you look bad". It amazes me that there are people who actually believe and say Bush "stole the election". Do you watch the news or read the paper?
I suppose the only thing I can say is: Take History 101 and Civics 101 classes, please.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
But let's also not forget Bush, is Not only not helping out poorer Americans, but he is also giving more money to his already super-rich friends.
A book Every Decent American should read, and be outraged about our Tax System is
Perfectly Legal: by David Cay Johnston
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
George W. Bush is the Anti-Christ bent on the destruction of the USA.
He's destroyed the Constitution.
He's destroyed the economy.
He's destroyed the ecology.
He's destroyed international relations and good will.
He's destroyed the effectiveness of the United Nations.
He's killed hundreds of United Stated citizens by sending them to an unjust war in Iraq based on nothing more than a perverse desire to finish a job his father failed to.
Bush Lied - Soldiers Died.
What ever happened to the search for Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden??? Aren't they the one's that killed 3,000 people on 9/11???
Where's the link between Al Qaeda and Saddam??? Where the heck are all those WMDs??? Weren't those the reason's used to justified the War in Iraq???
All lies and propaganda and our soldiers are DYING because of it!
People think he's doing a good job because they can still get gas for their SUV's, make unnecessary calls on their cell phones, and shop at the mall.
Until those things change most people just don’t care or are simply too stupid to know what’s really going on their own country.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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People think he's doing a good job because they can still get gas for their SUV's, make unnecessary calls on their cell phones, and shop at the mall.
Until those things change most people just don’t care or are simply too stupid to know what’s really going on their own country.
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No, I can get gas for my SUV, make unnecessary calls on my cell phone, and shop at the mall because my husband works his a*s off to provide these things, not because of or in spite of how Bush is doing his job. ::)
Like Hairspray, I am also undecided as to where my vote's going to go. For one, it depends on who wins the dem. candidacy. I'm not going to say which one, but there is one that I would definitely vote for. As far as I'm concerned, the president is only a figurehead anyway. And, whether Bush has done a good job or not (or lied, or ruined the economy/environment/whatever), everyone has their own opinion, and nothing anyone says is going to change those opinions. To quote one of my favorite movies "People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty, they drink it because they don't know any better" (The American President)
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
can't forget Gore has tried running for president before. before clinton was made president. al gore was turned away each time he went to become president, his party wouldn't let him to say.
clinton did HIM a HUGE favor by taking him as vice president. that helped gore in trying to become president. unfortunately, the whole Florida del kinda sealed his fate.
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No, I can get gas for my SUV, make unnecessary calls on my cell phone, and shop at the mall because my husband works his a*s off to provide these things...End Quote
Your husband still has a job??? Wow I thought Bush banned those bothersome things and sent them all off to China.
You should consider yourself one of the extremely lucky few left in this country whose government primarily concerns itself with making rich Republicans even richer.
Go United States of Halliburton!!! Go Bush!!! Go Cheney!!! Ra Ra Ra!!! ;)
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Your husband still has a job??? Wow I thought Bush banned those bothersome things and sent them all off to China.
You should consider yourself one of the extremely lucky few left in this country whose government primarily concerns itself with making rich Republicans even richer.
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Yes, he does. AND, his company just reported record earnings for the past year. All of their support operations in the US, as well as some other countries, are based in the US. All of thier equipment is developed and manufactured in the US. Most of their customers are publicly owned, with no affiliation to the government. So, I guess the economy can't be too bad if these companies are still paying millions for the technology to keep their operations in the US.
Oh, and hubby's a registered Democrat. Guess I should be worried since it's only Republicans that are getting rich ::)
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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George W. Bush is the Anti-Christ bent on the destruction of the USA.
He's destroyed the Constitution.
He's destroyed the economy.
He's destroyed the ecology.
He's destroyed international relations and good will.
He's destroyed the effectiveness of the United Nations.
He's killed hundreds of United Stated citizens by sending them to an unjust war in Iraq based on nothing more than a perverse desire to finish a job his father failed to.
Bush Lied - Soldiers Died.
What ever happened to the search for Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden??? Aren't they the one's that killed 3,000 people on 9/11???
Where's the link between Al Qaeda and Saddam??? Where the heck are all those WMDs??? Weren't those the reason's used to justified the War in Iraq???
All lies and propaganda and our soldiers are DYING because of it!
People think he's doing a good job because they can still get gas for their SUV's, make unnecessary calls on their cell phones, and shop at the mall.
Until those things change most people just don’t care or are simply too stupid to know what’s really going on their own country.
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You may think this is persuasive and profound political invective. It is not. It is a pile of cliches. You're going to have to try harder if you're going to convince anyone.
For the record, I'm not saying that they're invalid cliches.
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You may think this is persuasive and profound political invective. It is not. It is a pile of cliches. You're going to have to try harder if you're going to convince anyone.
For the record, I'm not saying that they're invalid cliches.
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The Republican spin doctors are masters at getting people to forget the truth by constatly switching gear. Now Georgey boy is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes by talking about outer space, going to the Moon and Mars!
Way to keep people focused on issues other that your lies Georgey!
Al-Qaeda - who are they? Forget them! We're going back to the Moon!
The Anti-Christ does it again. After all, Americans are famed for our short-term memories!
Get out your your cell phones and jump in your SUV's! Go, go, go, the Mall awaits!!!
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the search for bin laden isn't voer. it's taken a back seat yes but it isn't over. we haven't received much information about him lately so it's up tot he covert ops to find him. using the stealth, sneaking, lieing, spying etc.
Saddam was next in line, part of the war against terrorism. tell me he hasn't done any terrorism. he went into hiding using doubles to "cover" for him.
sure, you can say bush (or any president) goes into hiding when there's trouble. but 90% of the time we'll know where he is.
unjust ar? yor right no war is unjust.
but we've been doing it for thousands of years. it's a basic animal instinct. this is my property, i feel threatened by you. either leave me alone or pay the consequences. animals do it all the time and we are animals.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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The Republican spin doctors are masters at getting people to forget the truth by constatly switching gear. Now Georgey boy is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes by talking about outer space, going to the Moon and Mars!
Way to keep people focused on issues other that your lies Georgey!
Al-Qaeda - who are they? Forget them! We're going back to the Moon!
The Anti-Christ does it again. After all, Americans are famed for our short-term memories!
Get out your your cell phones and jump in your SUV's! Go, go, go, the Mall awaits!!!
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Whoa dude! Calm down.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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The Republican spin doctors are masters at getting people to forget the truth by constatly switching gear. Now Georgey boy is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes by talking about outer space, going to the Moon and Mars!
Way to keep people focused on issues other that your lies Georgey!
Al-Qaeda - who are they? Forget them! We're going back to the Moon!
The Anti-Christ does it again. After all, Americans are famed for our short-term memories!
Get out your your cell phones and jump in your SUV's! Go, go, go, the Mall awaits!!!
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Your first sentence should read "Political" spin doctors... It has nothing to do with Rep/Dem affiliation.
And, for the record, I'm not saying that Bush has done a great job or that he's NOT the Anti-Christ (as you say). IMO, ALL politicians are the A-C who lie, cheat, and do anything else to cover their bottoms. I also don't like the inferences made about everyone who owns a cell phone or an SUV (which I have owned through both Rep & Dem presidents). Do you honestly think there aren't *GASP* Democrats who own and enjoy these things? ::)
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^ Awww, c'mon Cheer. The Dems would just give these things to the underpriviledged. ;D Therefore, they don't have them and enjoy them! LOL!
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John Kerry's wife is an heiress to the Heinz Ketchup corporation. She is sitting on $550,000,000 worth of assets. All this while he has the nerve to stand up there on stage and try to portray himself as "working class". ::)
Oh, and another "poor" Democrat we all have heard of, Donald Trump, isn't doing to shabby these days either.
Its ridiculous to just automatically associate wealth with Republicans. There are rich Republicans and Democrats. Just ask the Kennedy's, Rockefeller's, the list goes on...
There are rich Repubs and rich Dems, just as there are poor Repubs and poor Dems.
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^ Awww, c'mon Cheer. The Dems would just give these things to the underpriviledged. ;D Therefore, they don't have them and enjoy them! LOL!
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Oh, that's right. What was I thinking? ;D
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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John Kerry's wife is an heiress to the Heinz Ketchup corporation. She is sitting on $550,000,000 worth of assets. All this while he has the nerve to stand up there on stage and try to portray himself as "working class". ::)
Oh, and another "poor" Democrat we all have heard of, Donald Trump, isn't doing to shabby these days either.
Its ridiculous to just automatically associate wealth with Republicans. There are rich Republicans and Democrats. Just ask the Kennedy's, Rockefeller's, the list goes on...
There are rich Repubs and rich Dems, just as there are poor Repubs and poor Dems.
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couldn't have said it better myself
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Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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John Kerry's wife is an heiress to the Heinz Ketchup corporation. She is sitting on $550,000,000 worth of assets. All this while he has the nerve to stand up there on stage and try to portray himself as "working class". ::)End Quote
Kerry isn't trying to portray himself as working class, he says he wants to HELP the working class. It's more ridiculous that George W. Bush and his supporters portray him as a "war hero". Actually making Dubya out to be some kind of hardened warrior is much more silly then anything the liberals do.
Quoting:Its ridiculous to just automatically associate wealth with Republicans. There are rich Republicans and Democrats. Just ask the Kennedy's, Rockefeller's, the list goes on...End Quote
You're right, it is wrong to automaitically associate wealth with Republicans.
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
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Kerry isn't trying to portray himself as working class, he says he wants to HELP the working class. End Quote
just the other night, Kerry said somethin to the effect of ending the economy of "the priveledged".
Pardon me, but isn't a net-worth of $550,000,000 simply becasue of the chick you married...ummm...priveledged? And all the people in the crowd applaud like he gives a crap about them.
Whenever I hear a politician pandering to the working class and poor like the Dems always do, I want to puke. Theres a difference between doing, and just pandering to them for votes.
Quoting:It's more ridiculous that George W. Bush and his supporters portray him as a "war hero". Actually making Dubya out to be some kind of hardened warrior is much more silly then anything the liberals do. End Quote
maybe I missed it, but when did anyone call GW Bush a "war hero"?
Subject: Re: Absolute Reason not to vote for Bush in 2004
Thank you Hairspray. :)
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Thank you Hairspray. :)
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Anytime! :)
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But let's also not forget Bush, is Not only not helping out poorer Americans, but he is also giving more money to his already super-rich friends.
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I have to disagree here, Andrew. I am poor, single mom living paycheck to paycheck. His tax cuts helped me greatly. The standard deductions went up as did the child tax credit. Also, the credit for daycare expenses. I am getting a better refund than expected this year by about $600. And, I do pay taxes...the government kept some of the money I put in throughout the year. I feel like I am being helped.
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I have to disagree here, Andrew.....I feel like I am being helped.
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Same here.
Its amazing to me how some people don't (or refuse to) understand the tax system. Its very basic.
If you paid taxes...you got a tax cut.
Granted, if you made, say $20,000 last year, you aren't going to get the same cut as someone who made $150,000. And why should you? The more you make, the more you pay in taxes. So the more taxes you pay, the bigger tax cut you will receive. Its so basic, yet so many people think its all "for the rich". Thats just not true.
I'm so tired of hearing Howard Dean say the phrase "tax cuts for the rich" when its obvious he doesn't have a clue what it even means. It just sounds good to potential voters.