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 If this post offends anyone in anyway, I sincerely apologize, but I see several injustices regarding treatment of those with chronic mental disorders/illness that I feel need to be addressed
 Feel free to disagree with me.

1. People with chronic mental disorders and illness, have in my Libertarian viewpoint, Every Right to Peacefully take their own lives(commit suicide)without physically hurting anyone else.
Of course the decision should NOT be made on the spur of the moment, but to expect people to live their whole lives dependant upon Psychiatric drugs, in my opinion is barbaric and inhumane,Cruel and unjust
And , the Government/Mental Health Profession should provide these people with a Quick,Effective, and not too painful method for ending their lives, the same way, as let's say, if they were Old and had a Terminal illness
 What gives the Government or Mental Health Profession the Right, who the heck are they to tell those suffering that they can't take their own lives without physically hurting anyone else?End Quote

Ok.

I'm a little confused because you say you're Christian, yet I see your views on this issue as unorthodox.

I just would like to point out that suicide is against most Christian's moral code.

As far as your first point on suicide goes -

A person wanting to commit suicide "without physically hurting anyone else" should consider the emotional pain they could potentially cause their family and friends.

Emotional pain can be just as painful, just as hurtful and just as deep as physical pain.

Then again, a person who is suicidal has unaddressed issues to begin with and may not have the presence of mind to think of the consequences of their actions and are on "selfish mode", thinking only of themselves.

More on topic:

I do not believe the mentally ill have the mental capacity to make such decisions regarding life and death.

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If you don't mind me asking..

What is the Program like

And how does it work SSI, two checks a Month, do you work?
I thought SSI was one check a month,
do you get public assistance(welfare) also?
How do you live on such small income,
Do you pay taxes?
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This program Andrew is to help me try to get my life back together and SSI checks I get once a month for benefits and you don't have a job yet you get government money.


Howard

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People with chronic mental disorders and illness, have in my Libertarian viewpoint, Every Right to Peacefully take their own lives(commit suicide)without physically hurting anyone else.End Quote

The problem here Andrew is knowing if the patient is under the influence of the mental illness at the time of requesting something like euthanasia.

To add: I wrote this before reading Hairspray's post fully . . . Sorry.  :-[ ;D

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I am a sufferer of depression and anxiety who has given up asking for help. My doctor has put me on medication in the past and nothing's worked so far. I refuse to talk to her about it anymore because she's of the mindset that the reason I have the problems I do is because I'm unemployed, and that getting a job will make it all better. What she doesn't understand is, I was miserable working as well. I would take days off or leave early sick because I was too depressed. But as far as suicide goes, I have thought about it millions and millions of times, but I've been too chicken to try it. I want help. I don't want to kill myself. I realise my husband and my Guinea Pigs will miss me, and I'm too scared of death that I'd rather meet it later than sooner.

Absolutely Vile
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Vile. Do you believe your depression is biological (a physical problem in the brain) or circumstantial (a problem related to outside influences e.g a death in the family etc)?

Why I ask is my depression was circumstantial and the doctor put me on pills. They didn't help me. I was very cynical even at the young age of 17 and thought the doctor was fobbing me off with The Placebo Effect (giving me fake pills in the hope that I would get better because I believe they will make me better). I felt that it didn't matter how many pills I took, it would only cloud the problem rather than fix it. It was only until I realised and accepted what had happened to me that I can now move on.

Please tell me if I have got the wrong end of the stick.  :)

Just to add: Get yourself a counsellor that cares. The one you have been seeing is obviously inept - I saw a counsellor 3 years ago who was wonderful. I saw my meetings with her as a breakthrough in my recovery.

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How did OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) affect your life, NascarNut and Howard? I've heard the cliches (Washing hands continuously, arranging things in order of size, colour etc . . .). Is it really like that or is it something more complex?

Hope you don't mind me asking.  :)
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I think it started at my paying job at Genovese.I was working as a porter and sometimes I'd see open bags of M&M's and pop a few of them in my mouth but the real reason I got fired was my compulsion to steal.It was in 1993.I was put on medications Anafranil & Prozacfor 6 years I was on it.I always kept looking back to see if I left things behind,checking garbages for food :P,plucking eyebrows(not with tweezer) :( out of nervous anxiety.I was finally taken off it in July of 1999 cause I felt much better and the anxiety lessened but not by much. :)

Howard

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 If this post offends anyone in anyway, I sincerely apologize, but I see several injustices regarding treatment of those with chronic mental disorders/illness that I feel need to be addressed
 Feel free to disagree with me.

1. People with chronic mental disorders and illness, have in my Libertarian viewpoint, Every Right to Peacefully take their own lives(commit suicide)without physically hurting anyone else.
Of course the decision should NOT be made on the spur of the moment, but to expect people to live their whole lives dependant upon Psychiatric drugs, in my opinion is barbaric and inhumane,Cruel and unjust
And , the Government/Mental Health Profession should provide these people with a Quick,Effective, and not too painful method for ending their lives, the same way, as let's say, if they were Old and had a Terminal illness
 What gives the Government or Mental Health Profession the Right, who the heck are they to tell those suffering that they can't take their own lives without physically hurting anyone else?

2. Until those with Chronic Mental Disorders and illnesses are Granted the Right to Take their own lives without physically hurting anyone else, they will Never be truly free and equal citizens. They will continue to be unjustly oppressed.

3. A friend of mine from High school is Schizophrenic and lives in a Group home, he has to share a Room, with a Roomate.
All people in "Group Homes" should be allowed to have a Small room entirely to themselves, and be able to have a Color TV/VCR in it, and Privacy,
so it would be like they live on their own. And close to Normalcy as possible

4. My Schizophenic friend has to go to a "Day Program" Yet if an Elderly (Non-Mentally ill) person had to live in a Group Home
would that person be Forced unjustly to go to some sort of day program, why the Discrimination against my Schizophrenic friend.

5. I and many others have said this MANY times, Social Security Gives Disability "Benefits" to the Disabled, but how are the Disabled supposed to live on SSI alone?
Can they Get Welfare(Public Assistance) with it's two checks a Month, Plus the Social Security check.
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I'm sorry; I just can't let this go by without pointing out that there's nothing "Libertarian" about demanding stuff from the government.  No offense; wish you well and all that but as someone who usually votes Libertarian when possible I can guarantee you their whole schtick is to generally reduce spending programs, not increase them as you call for repeatedly in this post.  Unless you were joking, in which case jolly good one then.

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I think it started at my paying job at Genovese.I was working as a porter and sometimes I'd see open bags of M&M's and pop a few of them in my mouth but the real reason I got fired was my compulsion to steal.It was in 1993.I was put on medications Anafranil & Prozacfor 6 years I was on it.I always kept looking back to see if I left things behind,checking garbages for food :P,plucking eyebrows(not with tweezer) :( out of nervous anxiety.I was finally taken off it in July of 1999 cause I felt much better and the anxiety lessened but not by much. :)

Howard
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Ah I see. Thanks for sharing that, Howard. I'm glad you feel much better.  :)

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To those of you who had or still have a chronic mental disorder or illness I ask you

If you had a choice between having the illness or illnesses you have and Not being born(non-existence) which would you choose.
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Having been depressed most of my life, I can still say that I would rather be how I am than to not be at all.

My belief is that in life, if you are making the world a better place (help people in their lives) because you are in it, then you are being successful.  Every day, despite depression, I have the opportunity to help people and make the world a better place.  So I continue to fulfill my destiny.

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Ah I see. Thanks for sharing that, Howard. I'm glad you feel much better.  :)
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Thank You Bob.I hope it doesn't come back anymore. :(


Howard

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Vile. Do you believe your depression is biological (a physical problem in the brain) or circumstantial (a problem related to outside influences e.g a death in the family etc)?

Why I ask is my depression was circumstantial and the doctor put me on pills. They didn't help me. I was very cynical even at the young age of 17 and thought the doctor was fobbing me off with The Placebo Effect (giving me fake pills in the hope that I would get better because I believe they will make me better). I felt that it didn't matter how many pills I took, it would only cloud the problem rather than fix it. It was only until I realised and accepted what had happened to me that I can now move on.

Please tell me if I have got the wrong end of the stick.  :)

Just to add: Get yourself a counsellor that cares. The one you have been seeing is obviously inept - I saw a counsellor 3 years ago who was wonderful. I saw my meetings with her as a breakthrough in my recovery.
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You know...I have no idea. There's no history of it in my family that I'm aware of. But then again, that seems like a strange thing to ask your parents!! "Are you depressed?" I do have a suspicion that my dad could have something because he and I have a lot of the same sort of characteristics, and he actually understands what I go through, unlike my mum, but I feel weird about asking him about it. At the same time though, I can see it being circumstantial because I've had a lot happen in my life (being disabled, being bothered by kids at school when I was a teenager because of it, alcoholic dad, dad leaving all of a sudden when my brother and I were at school, being rejected rejected constantly by the opposite sex, etc., etc., etc...). I suppose the only way I'm ever going to find out is through the process of elimination, which would mean talking to my parents about it. Eep.

My GP is actually the one that's prescribed me pills. But I don't want to even talk to her about it again because I don't believe she thinks there's anything really wrong. I was in therapy for a year, and it was really great to have someone to talk to, but obviously it didn't help as much as it should have. I've only seen a psychiatrist once, and he put me on the same pills my doctor put me on previously. They didn't work. Our schedules clashed and I ended up not going back. I wouldn't have anyway, because he ran his practice from his flat which was a bit creepy. I've also talked to a psychiatric nurse who told me I didn't need a diagnosis (no clue why), and that I should try both going on pills and talk therapy. I still have yet to do that. The last lot of pills I was on (Celexa) made me lethargic so I'm off them and haven't been on anything since. Once I get put on something that works, I'll consider therapy again.

Absolutely Vile

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To those of you who had or still have a chronic mental disorder or illness I ask you

If you had a choice between having the illness or illnesses you have and Not being born(non-existence) which would you choose.
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Depends how I feel. Sometimes I feel like doing something about my depression/anxiety, and sometimes I wish I was dead or never born. Usually, I feel like getting myself sorted. It's just a matter of finding proper help. It's normally when I have my severe bouts of depression that I wish I were never here...

Absolutely Vile

I don't wanna die. I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all.

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Ah I see. Thanks for sharing that, Howard. I'm glad you feel much better.  :)
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My OCD comes out as picking at my ears until they are red and raw,a compulsion to overeat when I feel bad AND when I feel good,having to have everyday events in my life the way I want them,to the point of meltdown when I don't get my way or things go wrong! I am getting better at dealing with life on its terms with the help of a great psychiatrist and 40 mg of Prozac daily. But that's not to say that I don't have bad days,everyone does,that's life. I deal the best I can under my circumstances.

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To those of you who had or still have a chronic mental disorder or illness I ask you

If you had a choice between having the illness or illnesses you have and Not being born(non-existence) which would you choose.
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I would still choose life. Like I said before, I have both mental illness and physical problems,but I still lead an active and fulfilling life. I have had life experiences I wouldn't trade for anything! I have worked at an Atlantic City casino,gone to a church youth group with other disABLED(accent on ABLED)people,trained others computer skills on a volunteer basis,been a speaker at mental health rallies and consumer conferences. At my adult day care program,there are people worse off than I am,and they STILL are somewhat independent and live their lives to the fullest. I'm happy to count these people,young and old,as my friends. I have a wonderful apartment mate and a sweet Calico cat named Tika. Had I not been born,what a bunch of missed opportunities. ::)

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My OCD comes out as picking at my ears until they are red and raw,a compulsion to overeat when I feel bad AND when I feel good,having to have everyday events in my life the way I want them,to the point of meltdown when I don't get my way or things go wrong! I am getting better at dealing with life on its terms with the help of a great psychiatrist and 40 mg of Prozac daily. But that's not to say that I don't have bad days,everyone does,that's life. I deal the best I can under my circumstances.
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You know, Nascarnut, I used to have the problem of needing everything going my way - especially socially. Sometimes it would be the end of the world for me if someone said the wrong thing - even when I was in a good mood and would trigger off an 'inner thinking' episode where I would question my value as a human. I don't know why I should think like this. I am trying to make my skin a little thicker.  ;)

The fact that you deal with your situation makes you a strong, brave person. Mental illness can be the worst battle anyone has . . . Ironically it is with ourselves.

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Having been depressed most of my life, I can still say that I would rather be how I am than to not be at all.

My belief is that in life, if you are making the world a better place (help people in their lives) because you are in it, then you are being successful.  Every day, despite depression, I have the opportunity to help people and make the world a better place.  So I continue to fulfill my destiny.
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That's a great attitude to have, Lyricboy. If you were never born at all, you would never know if you would make a difference.

I'll tell you something, I felt really bad in 1997/1998 and I was close to just 'packing it all in' so to speak.

We are now in 2004 and I have a wonderful girlfriend, a nice steady income and a greater outlook on life. If I did myself in then, how would I know if I was going to achieve happiness?

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Again, I state,
that until those with chronic mental disorders/illness, are granted the right to take their own lives without physically hurting anyone else, they shall never be truly free.
 The Government IMO should provide a humane method, don't get me wrong the decision should NOT be made on the spur of the moment.
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What do you think makes people free in death? Free from problems? We all have to face problems in life regardless of their severity. The courage is in continuing on, not by giving up.

I hear you mention the afterlife on the threads a lot and are quite religious. This has been mentioned previously but I would like to embellish it a little. If it is a sin to commit suicide in any form, then in theory and on your own terms, wouldn't mentally ill people forfeit their right to an 'afterlife'?

You would have to say 'People are only free if they want to choose whether they would like an afterlife or not'.  ???

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Speaking of mental illness,
Many people with Mental disorders/illness get Medicaid,
Am I the only one that thinks the Government should pay for people to get Laser Eye surgery.

I know many people, Men and Women, who wear small glasses, yet STILL, it makes a Huge Difference in their facial looks, with as opposed to without glasses.

Does laser eye surgery prevent the eyes from becoming nearsided.

 Again, Regarding Mental Illness, their must be some way to permanently correct the chemical imbalance in the Brain.
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Shouldn't lazer eye surgery be another thread entirely?

As for correcting chemical imbalances in the brain, that was what I thought anti-depressants and beta blockers do.

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To those of you who struggle with mental disorders/illness...End Quote

I don't struggle with a mental disorders or illness, but I feel sorry that you do; especially seeing how much you struggle with it. :-/

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Do any of you blame your parents for your mental disorders/illness?
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Heh heh. An interesting question and one that can only be answered individually. For me, my parents contributed to the way I felt in a large way. I believe that my depression was circumstantial and was a reaction to outside events.

Andrew. I saw Hairspray's post. May I ask, without offending you, if you do have an illness?

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Why don't More people with Chronic Mental Disorders/illness,
petition the Government and Mental Health Profession to Grant them THE most fundamental Right,
The Right to commit Suicide without Physically hurting anyone else,
It is Unreasonable, doesn't anyone else think that it is for the Mental Health Profession/Gov't to expect people to live for decades dependant upon Psychiatric Drugs.

Mental Health Professionals may seem nice, but when they prevent those with chronic Mental disorders and illness from commiting suicide without physically hurting anyone else,
They are Hurting rather than helping,
they are "Just following orders"
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ARGH!!! Do you not think, for one moment, that maybe some mentally ill people want to live?? What makes you think we all want to die? I know you're probably just trying to keep our options open. But I think if someone wants to commit suicide, they're going to do it, whether it's illegal or not, whether it's unethical or not, whether it hurts someone they love or not. They're not going to give a sh*t about anything. I also don't know how suicide could be illegal because you can't prosecute a dead body. I know assisted suicide is illegal even if the person wanting to die is terminally ill, which in most if not all cases, he or she is. So are you saying that mentally ill people are terminal? No they're not. They can get help. Which brings me to my next point...

Mental health professionals are there to help you. If you're seeing one that just seems like he or she is just "doing their job," then go find someone else. There are ones who genuinely care. They don't want to see you off yourself as much as anyone else. As for being on medication for the rest of your life...well, some people have to be. People with severe mental disorders like schizophrenia must be on medication for the rest of their lives otherwise they may become a danger to society if their condition worsens. People with all mental illnesses, no matter how severe, have just as much right to live as anyone else! And a lot of them want to live normal, healthy, active lives!!

Absolutely Vile

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Do any of you blame your parents for your mental disorders/illness?
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I shouldn't blame my parents.Maybe blame myself. :-[ :(


Howard

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In the Afterlife, do Personality Disorders, that people have Disappear along with other Mental and physical conditions that exist in Earthly life.?
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What the hell are you talking about? ??? ??? >:(

What's with this afterlife you keep referring to?  ???

make sense,will ya? ??? >:(


Howard

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It's High time that Disability Advocates take on the Social Security Administration,
More Money,and Services should be given to the Disabled.
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I'm just trying to get your posts to make sense.I have no idea why you keep bringing up The Afterlife in most of them. ??? >:(


Howard

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Andrew,

it doesn't seem like you read Absolutely Vile's most excellent post. It's a shame because you should. Vile makes excellent points in reference to this subject.
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Thank you! I try...:D

Absolutely Vile

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For those of You who take Psychiatric Drugs, what do you do if your shrink, suggests or tries to put you on a different medication against your will.
My opinion is that the Patient should have the final say.
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You DO have the final say.  The doctor can't make you do anything you don't want to do (unless you're locked up in a psychiatric hospital).  I don't know what kind of doctors you see, but all of them that my grandmother saw said that the choice was hers whether she wanted medication or not.  If you don't agree with a doctor's evaluation, you always have the ability to get a second opinion or just walk out the door.

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It's High time that Disability Advocates take on the Social Security Administration,
More Money,and Services should be given to the Disabled.
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What's this got to do with the mentally ill? I'm speaking as both mentally ill and physically disabled. You've gone from one subject to another. I think you're just confusing me and everyone else. Are you saying mentally ill people are disabled? There's a difference between a mental illness and a mental disability. A mental illness is usually emotional or behavioural. A mental disability is usually cognitive, meaning these people have difficulty learning and grasping the basic knowledge that one needs to go through life. Sometimes a mental illness and mental disability can go hand-in-hand, since a lot of times someone with a mental disability gets frustrated because of his or her limitations. (By the way, since I only have a mental illness and not a mental disability, this is only my perspective of life with a mental disability. It's somewhat similiar to what I go through with a physical disability.)

Incidentally, Andrew...am I just wasting my typing skills? Do you actually read or acknowledge other people's posts, or do you just answer your own and spout off inane questions and comments? You really should read what other people have to say on the subject you started.

Absolutely Vile

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You DO have the final say.  The doctor can't make you do anything you don't want to do (unless you're locked up in a psychiatric hospital).  I don't know what kind of doctors you see, but all of them that my grandmother saw said that the choice was hers whether she wanted medication or not.  If you don't agree with a doctor's evaluation, you always have the ability to get a second opinion or just walk out the door.
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I totally agree. Doctors or psychiatrists who force you into a treatment you don't agree with shouldn't even be in their profession. I've always been given a choice, but I'm also open to any suggestion my doctor has given me as to what medication to take. (Although lately, she's gotten totally the wrong impression about my depression and anxiety that I won't even bother talking to her about it anymore.)

Do you really have no say in your treatment if you're in a mental hospital? I would think that even that would be unethical.

Absolutely Vile

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Question for Howard:
You said that you had OCD, and that you used to take Medication for it,
I was under the impression that OCD is a chronic condition, plus many people with OCD, have crippling Depression as a secondary symptom.
Which might cause it to be MisDiagnosed as Depression.
So how did you overcome it.
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My Mother and My psychiatrist in July 1999,said I felt and looked much better.It was something in my brain. :(

Howard

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Incidentally, Andrew...am I just wasting my typing skills? Do you actually read or acknowledge other people's posts, or do you just answer your own and spout off inane questions and comments? You really should read what other people have to say on the subject you started.

Absolutely Vile
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Indeed. I've mentioned it previously . . .  ::)

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Do you really have no say in your treatment if you're in a mental hospital? I would think that even that would be unethical.

Absolutely Vile
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I had a friend who was in a mental hospital for a short time.  She was unable to assist in her treatment initially.  For quite a while, the doctors kept trying different medications until they found a combination that worked.  From what she's told me, most of the people in there were unable to help in their treatment plans.  Their problems were so severe, they had no idea what was going on, or they were being overmedicated.  

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And look at it this way,
If nobody became disabled, it would mean that people whose Job it is to work for Social Security for Disability Claims(they would be out of the Job)
I guess you could argue, everything, good or bad happens for a Reason.
 I hope we all get what we want in life.
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That's right. It's almost a form of Chaos theory were everybody's lives are very much affected by each other. Without the need for computers (which is entirely false), Bill Gates would be down the Jobcentre by now.  ;D

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I've always said the Social Security Administration should give more money and services to the disabled with less paperwork,
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Sorry, I have to disagree with this statement.  There are too many people taking advantage of the disability system in this country.  Personally, I know of 3 who are on disability for "anxiety" disorders who are perfectly capable of holding down a job, in fact, 1 of them works under the table (for cash), but have no desire to do so.  The 1 who does hold a job works at a restaurant where she basically comes and goes as she pleases.  And, since she's having an affair with the owner, he lets her.  So, for the time she's physically there, he pays her $6/hour.  Granted, she's not working most of the time, just pouring coffee and wiping the counter, but she makes more than any other employee there.  Now, for those who have been physically or mentally disabled since birth, I agree with your statement.  Hubby's cousin has severe Down's Syndrome.  However, in order for her parents to receive her disability benefits, she has to be reevaluated every year or so to make sure she is still disabled.  THAT, I think is ridiculous.

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Now, for those who have been physically or mentally disabled since birth, I agree with your statement.  Hubby's cousin has severe Down's Syndrome.  However, in order for her parents to receive her disability benefits, she has to be reevaluated every year or so to make sure she is still disabled.  THAT, I think is ridiculous.
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It's the same with me. I'm on Social Assistance (or I think they call it "Employment and Income Assistance"), and in order to renew my health benefits (optician, dentist, prescriptions), they send me these forms for me and my doctor (who now charges for filling out forms) to complete to verify that I'm still physically handicapped (like I have been for 31 years), when nothing's going to change, and they know that!! I even have to do the same thing for my handicapped parking pass!! It's stupid!

Absolutely Vile

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Vile, how did you become handicapped? Is it something from birth or a gradual thing? If you mentioned this in previous posts then I apologise in advance . . .
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I was born with Spina Bifida, and am paralysed from the waist down. What irks me the most is this could have been prevented by eating a proper diet with plenty of folic acid.

I've also got scoliosis and hydrocephalus, I think (which has something to do with fluid going to the brain so I've got a shunt in my head to keep it from going up there).

Absolutely Vile

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I was born with Spina Bifida, and am paralysed from the waist down. What irks me the most is this could have been prevented by eating a proper diet with plenty of folic acid.

I've also got scoliosis and hydrocephalus, I think (which has something to do with fluid going to the brain so I've got a shunt in my head to keep it from going up there).
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You know, it is posts like this that put it all in perspective for me. Over the weekend, I was worried because I have a receeding hair-line and the hairdresser said that I should have my head shaved! That is all I have to physically worry about! I should be grateful.

Thank you for your post.  :)

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You know, it is posts like this that put it all in perspective for me. Over the weekend, I was worried because I have a receeding hair-line and the hairdresser said that I should have my head shaved! That is all I have to physically worry about! I should be grateful.

Thank you for your post.  :)
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Oh, don't worry about it. You're welcome! :D It's just something I have to put up with, I guess. I have no choice. Yes, I get depressed and anxious a lot (which is why I've been trying to find some sort of help), but I have a wonderful husband, four adorable Guinea Pigs, Depeche Mode and Morrissey. What else could a girl ask for? :) They all bring me happiness and that's what keeps me on this earth. I've put up with a lot of sh*t from people, especially when I was school, but I've always had something to turn to. Usually music. I locked myself up in my bedroom a lot. Now, as an adult, I'm just looking for people who can look past the wheelchair and see that I have many talents and abilities, and should be taken seriously! I'm beginning to lose hope though. I've been told so many times that I have limitations and that I should be realistic in what I want to do in life, that I've begun to believe it and have only been in mediocre, mundane jobs like telemarketing. I lack the confidence to do anything I want to do. I need to reprogram my brain to think a little higher of myself. Anyway...I'm sorry. I'm waffling.

About your hair: Maybe you'd look good with a bald head! Whatever you do, though, don't go for a comb-over!!! That's hideous! :)

Absolutely Vile

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About your hair: Maybe you'd look good with a bald head! Whatever you do, though, don't go for a comb-over!!! That's hideous! :)

Absolutely Vile
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Even worse than the dreaded comb-over is the Swirly or Swirl-Over.  That's where you grow this one, really long lock of hair, then "swirl" it over the top of your head so that "nobody" knows that you are bald.  8)

I had a boss with one of those swirlies, and it was ridiculous looking.  He would have looked MUCH BETTER if he had just been naturally bald.  His swirly had 2.5 "rotations" (we counted).  :P

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I appreciate your anger, Curtis. I used to have a bad attitude caused by the thinking that 'If I see that something is wrong then it is unfair and therefore intolerable' - This caused a lot of anger.

I'm glad that you are getting help for this.  :)
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Thanx. Sometimes tho I think that coming to message boards doesn't help my condition any ;)  .  But it helps a great deal in coping skills.

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I'm beginning to lose hope though. I've been told so many times that I have limitations and that I should be realistic in what I want to do in life, that I've begun to believe it and have only been in mediocre, mundane jobs like telemarketing. I lack the confidence to do anything I want to do. I need to reprogram my brain to think a little higher of myself. Anyway...I'm sorry. I'm waffling.

About your hair: Maybe you'd look good with a bald head! Whatever you do, though, don't go for a comb-over!!! That's hideous! :)
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Know that you are valuable and you will become valuable. I don't know if I'm quoting someone but it is absolutely true. A lot of people stay in the positions they are in life because they don't know if they can do better (I'm included).

The evidence I see on this board is that you are an intelligent, thoughtful person and, wheelchair or not, that doesn't deter from the fact.

As for my hair, I said to my girlfriend "That's it, if it gets any worse, it's coming off!". No comb-overs for me! My grandad was completely bald and he looked quite good so there might be some hope yet for me - However, this is a totally different subject altogether . . .

There is one thing you have affected in me and that is I listen to The Smiths a bit more these days.  ;D

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Thank you. :) I try not to be a complete idiot on here. :)

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The power of Vile compels you! The power of Vile compels you! ;D

I have that influence on people, it seems. When I met my husband (on the 'net!), he was depressed, and I told him to start listening to The Smiths, because Morrissey's words had certainly helped me. So he went and bought their albums, and he became a fan! I was so pleased. :) I don't know if he's as obsessed with them as I am, but he really likes them, and he has me to thank! ...And so do you, I guess. :)

My hubby has paid me back though. I've become a bigger Mode fan (Depeche Mode, that is) because of him. I've always liked them, but now I really love them!! ;D Same with Radiohead. And he's made me "appreciate" Oasis. I couldn't stand them before. :)

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Even worse than the dreaded comb-over is the Swirly or Swirl-Over.  That's where you grow this one, really long lock of hair, then "swirl" it over the top of your head so that "nobody" knows that you are bald.  8)

I had a boss with one of those swirlies, and it was ridiculous looking.  He would have looked MUCH BETTER if he had just been naturally bald.  His swirly had 2.5 "rotations" (we counted).  :P
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As for me LB,I'm halfway bald.It runs in the Family! :P


Howard

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Indeed it does. I like Frankly Mr Shankly and Bigmouth strikes again. You will have a hard job compelling me to like Oasis though . . .  :)

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In the past in America, before the invention of Psychiatric Drugs, they made people with Chronic Severe Mental illness live AGAINST THEIR WILL, in terrible emotional pain, Such evil which existed back then, Heaven Forbid, those people would commit suicide without Physically hurting anyone else, Oh no, the horror.
Today, it's not much better, people are forced to live dependant upon Psychiatric Drugs.
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Yes but aren't doctors binded by something called The Hippocratic Oath? This means that they have to care for the patients and keep them alive as much as they can. So even though people in the past were in agonising pain, it was, as it still is, the doctor's main duty to keep patients alive.

Click for the Hippocratic oath:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html

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Indeed it does. I like Frankly Mr Shankly and Bigmouth strikes again. You will have a hard job compelling me to like Oasis though . . .  :)


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Oh that's OK. I don't mind. As I said, I just "appreciate" them, or tolerate them. I don't hate them anymore.

I will claim victory if I get you to like "Meat Is Murder." :D

Absolutely Vile

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Today, it's not much better, people are forced to live dependant upon Psychiatric Drugs.
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That's a good point. I've heard people argue that people have the choice to refuse medication, but in the confused state we find ourselves in, how are we to know but to trust that the doctor knows what he is doing? A lesson I found out over too many years and too many misdiagnoses'. It wasn't until two YEARS that a therapist told me I had the right to suggest what medicines I felt would help me . After nuch research into effects and causes and uses of this or that particular medicine.

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I will claim victory if I get you to like "Meat Is Murder." :D
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Ho ho! I smell a challenge! I will have a listen to it for that!  ;D

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Ho ho! I smell a challenge! I will have a listen to it for that!  ;D
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Excellent! And by the way...I mean the song, not the album. :) I just want to know what sort of effect it will have. ;)

Absolutely Vile

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know what people with mental illnesses do? They kill people such as Janice Brucia,committ suicide,shoot,stab,pedophile,and the list goes on and on.... ::) >:(


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I don't!! Do you? I don't know any mentally ill people that would even consider murdering someone or committing any sort of heinous crime.

Absolutely Vile

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I apologize from what I said the other day. maybe I was just jumping to conclusions.I forgot to think of what I was going to say.Sorry,Vile and Bobby! :-everybody who has a mental illness exhibits criminal behaviour!! :D

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