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How many moms today actually wear fur??
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Well, I remember a few years ago when they would go around throwing paint on people who wore fur.  They got so many lawsuits over that, they toned it down a bit.

I know somebody who was supported PETA at one time.  She refused to wear leather or fur of any kind.  Then she got paint thrown at her for wearing a fake fur (polyseter) coat.  She screamed at them it was fake, and they told her it did not matter, she was supporting the fur movement by wearing a fake fur, so deserved it.

I just don't get people like that, and hope I never do.

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You just described the whole "animal rights movement" in a nutshell.

Its full of hypocritical nonsense.



One of the funniest things I've seen regarding all this was a few yeards ago.  One of the chairmen(and spokesmen) for PETA drove an SUV with leather seats and leather interior.  

I guess its easier to preach about not eating meat and not killing animals than it is to actually not do it.

Like I said...hypocrits.

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Somewhat?

Thats the understatement of the century. ::)

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OK, I'm not going to get into another argument like what happened with the gun thing, so lay off.

It is hard to be 100% animal friendly, but it can be done. So I wear leather shoes. Big f***'in' deal. I do what I can in my personal contibution to animal rights. I don't eat meat. I don't wear fur. I wear ONE leather product (oooo...why don't you just lynch me now!). I buy whatever products I can within my budget that are animal friendly. I do not write to half a million companies inquiring about whether they do animal testing or not like PETA, I believe, tells you to. Organic things usually don't do it, and products that don't test on animals are marked anyway. As long as anyone who cares does their own little part in the animal rights movement, who gives a crap about an insignificant accessory like shoes which are most commonly made of leather anyway??

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So, you'll protect every animal, except for that one poor animal that died to make those "comfortable" shoes you wear?  I mean, is this not in your ability to protect animals?  Youre still the epiphany of being hypocritical, and good deeds won't balance this out.

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OK, I'm not going to get into another argument like what happened with the gun thing, so lay off.

It is hard to be 100% animal friendly, but it can be done. So I wear leather shoes. Big f***'in' deal. I do what I can in my personal contibution to animal rights. I don't eat meat. I don't wear fur. I wear ONE leather product (oooo...why don't you just lynch me now!). I buy whatever products I can within my budget that are animal friendly. I do not write to half a million companies inquiring about whether they do animal testing or not like PETA, I believe, tells you to. Organic things usually don't do it, and products that don't test on animals are marked anyway. As long as anyone who cares does their own little part in the animal rights movement, who gives a crap about an insignificant accessory like shoes which are most commonly made of leather anyway??

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Like I said...hypocrits. ;)

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Oh come now, gentlemen, let's be nice here :)

But I must say that there is a fine balance between being nice to animals and fanatically restricting oneself from a very useful and vital natural resource.  Mmmm, chicken.
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hey, its just hilarious to me when someone grills me (pardon the pun) in another thread about "murdering" animals, then comes out and admits to wearing leather shoes.

That like me saying that I do whatever I can to protect animals, unless I get hungry for a hamburger. ::)

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hey, its just hilarious to me when someone grills me (pardon the pun) in another thread about "murdering" animals, then comes out and admits to wearing leather shoes.

That like me saying that I do whatever I can to protect animals, unless I get hungry for a hamburger. ::)


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Yeah, I know.  Personally I could NEVER bring myself to blowing an animal's brains out, but if I had a hankering for deer or ostrich or something I'd definitely pay someone to do it for me ;D  Meat is an important part of my diet :)

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Yeah, I know.  Personally I could NEVER bring myself to blowing an animal's brains out, but if I had a hankering for deer or ostrich or something I'd definitely pay someone to do it for me ;D  End Quote

Oh trust me, if you've ever had fresh deer chili over an open fire in a cast-iron skillet, you wouldn't think twice about gettin yourself a Bambi. :)   I'm gettin hungry just thinking about it.

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exactly.

I mean, we (humans) didn't get to the top of the food chain by eating lettuce and tofu. :D

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As are we.

Remember, Free Speech is a 2-way street. :)




We're all adults here.  At least I think we are. :)  Oh my. I'm having flashbacks to junior-high. :P

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hey, its just hilarious to me when someone grills me (pardon the pun) in another thread about "murdering" animals, then comes out and admits to wearing leather shoes.

That like me saying that I do whatever I can to protect animals, unless I get hungry for a hamburger. ::)End Quote

Well, excuse me for being honest. We're just talking about a stupid pair of shoes, and I don't deserve to be beaten down for it. In fact, I don't deserve the abusive treatment you and certain other people have given me. I'm only expressing my opinion, and I see nothing wrong with that.

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When someone disagrees with you, that doesn't constitute "abusive treatment".   ;)

Quoting:I'm only expressing my opinion, and I see nothing wrong with that.
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Again, as are we.

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We're all adults here.  At least I think we are. :)  Oh my. I'm having flashbacks to junior-high. :PEnd Quote

You mean you're not in Junior High? Gee...I couldn't tell....::)

<sigh> I give up. Forget it. I should have learnt from last time. I was just expressing my thoughts, but I suppose they don't matter because I wear leather shoes! This is so stupid.

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Abolutely Vile,

I want to tell you that you are in your right to wear whatever shoes you want. You are in your right to eat whatever you choose to (or not choose to). You are also in your right to voice your opinion about anything. Please don't let some people discourage you from exercising your rights.



Cat
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Thank you. :D After all...isn't that what message boards are for? (Voicing your opinions, that is, without fear of prejudice or persecution or whatever...)

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Thank you. :D After all...isn't that what message boards are for? (Voicing your opinions, that is, without fear of prejudice or persecution or whatever...)

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That is very true. However, there are some people who feel that if you don't agree with them, they resort to personal attacks. I for one, will speak up more (which I'm sure most people here know this) when I feel that someone is being attacked personally rather then just disagreeing with someones ideas.



Cat

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That is very true. However, there are some people who feel that if you don't agree with them, they resort to personal attacks. I for one, will speak up more (which I'm sure most people here know this) when I feel that someone is being attacked personally rather then just disagreeing with someones ideas.



Cat
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And I appreciate that. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who felt that way. Thank you again. :D

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Personal Attacks?


But with that said, can I set the record straight?

Nobody is trying to discourage anyone from syaing whatever they want here.   Just because someone doesn't agree with you here, and then voices their opinion doesn't mean they are "personally attacking" you.  

Like I said before, Freedom of Speech is a 2-way street.  If you are going to voice your opinion, especially if its a relatively unpopular opinion, you have to be willing to catch some flack about it.  It goes both ways.

So say whatever the heck you want to say, thats fine.  But when people start to disagree and voice their opinion (which may be totally opposite as yours), that isn't "personally attacking" you, its simply responding to what you said.  Nothing more.

I wasn't even going to bother with this anymore, but it needed to be said.  

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PETA should be trying to protect themselves because they are the real"ANIMALS"They want to stop the abuse of animals but insist on abusing other people ???
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I agree with you on this one!  ;D

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Thank you. :D After all...isn't that what message boards are for? (Voicing your opinions, that is, without fear of prejudice or persecution or whatever...)

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I'm going along with Catwoman, Vile. There's nothing wrong with dissagreeing with someone - it's when dissagreement gets blown out of proportion needlessly. ::)

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Okay, so PETA says we aren't supposed to kill animals for food, right?  Well, what the hell do they think the animals would do to us?  Do they realize how many people are killed by animals each and every day in the wild?  What's their excuse for that?

Oh, and BTW, Chrisrj, I DO wear fur and I've got 3 kids ;)
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This comparison makes no sense.People violate animals territory its terrible if a bear mauls a human but you cant blame the bear it just protecting its turf.By the why animals dont hunt humans for"our skin"

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Hmm.  Not sure if I agree, but I can swing with that for right now.  But how about this line of logic:  Why should we not be allowed to kill animals if animals are allowed to kill animals?

Quoting:But how about this line of logic:  Why should we not be allowed to kill animals if animals are allowed to kill animals?
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Thats basically the logic I belive in.

PETA and animal rights activists try to equate animals with humans, saying animals are the same as far as rights go.  So according to their logic, everytime an animal kills another animal(or a human for that matter), that animal would be guilty of murder.  It sounds even more crazy typing it. ::) :)

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So what are you proposing exactly?

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PETA and animal rights activists try to equate animals with humans, saying animals are the same as far as rights go.  So according to their logic, everytime an animal kills another animal(or a human for that matter), that animal would be guilty of murder.  It sounds even more crazy typing it. ::) :)
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I'm sorry but I don't know what animal rights activists you have spoken to but no one is saying that lions should stand trial for eating zebras ::)

I think when people talk about treating animals the same way we treat humans I think they are referring to the way some animals are treated for the sake of meat production. Like the way calves are kept to produce veal. It's cruel and I don't think anyone can argue with that.

An animal killing an animal for food is natural. An animal in the wild will kill and eat what it needs. I don't think there is anything natural about how humans overfish and kill millions of animals every year.

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I'm sorry but I don't know what animal rights activists you have spoken to but no one is saying that lions should stand trial for eating zebras ::)End Quote

I was being sort of sarcastic.

I assumed it was obvious, guess not.

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Just as a human killing and eating an animal is natural.

After all, one argument I've heard time and time again from the animal rights crowd is that animals are equal to humans, because we are all "animals".  So if an animal kills an animal for food, isn't that the same as a human killing an animal for food?  

Yet another reason I think a lot of the arguments from some animal-rights folks and groups like PETA are based on "fuzzy logic".  It sounds meaningful at first, but when you sit down and think about it, it doesn't really make any sense at all.

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So what are you proposing exactly?

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80sRocked and Mike_Florio:

I am only voicing my opinion. If I'm not allowed to do that, then what kind of forum is this? And also, don't you guys have something in your constitution called the First Amendment, which is the right to free speech? Well, I'm just expressing that right, so quit taking it so bloody personally.

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Yes, the United States of America has a constituion.  It protects the rights of Americans every day.  

I don't believe that anyone beat you down about your comments at all.  You said you were a hypocrite and some agreed with you, but I don't think you really are.  You're not out pounding the pavement with signs and brochures in protest of meat and leather - are you?  

You're not preaching to the choir on this matter.  It sounds like most of us are in the same boat: we eat meat, and wear leather (or fur) clothing but none of us would actually go out kill and de-feather the chicken or skin the cow hide.  

Chill out people.  We're not raving lunatics here.  Not all of us anyway ;)