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Subject: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq war

Written By: Mr_80s on 11/28/03 at 04:04 p.m.

I found this piece of news today, and I have to admit it quite disturbs me.  I never understand how/why some people will make things up, only to say what they think things SHOULD be, not how they really are:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104322,00.html

And people wonder why I give the "Hollywood types" absolutely no credibility.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: Mike_Florio on 11/28/03 at 05:55 p.m.

thats a new one...cover up from ENRON?  Does Mr Robbins not realize that Democrats benefitted from the Enron scandal also?  Come on...but the worts part is that people believed it...

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: Dagwood on 11/28/03 at 07:57 p.m.

Quoting:When Laura Israel, another audience member, was asked if she thought the play was accurate, she replied: "Yes, not only on what is going on there, but it also showed how we are being lied to by all the networks."End Quote



It is a play, people.  Why do they assume he is correct?  Is it because he is a big star?  How does that make his interpretations any better or more believeable than regular people?  People seem to take what the stars say as absolute truth...it drives me insane.  They are stars with their own opinions and that is it.

Quoting:Robbins portrays journalists as Pentagon puppets, U.S. soldiers as thieves and killers of innocent women and children, and the Bush cabinet as war mongers willing to start a war to escape the negative publicity of the Enron scandal. End Quote



This really makes me angry.  Soldiers portrayed as killers of innocent women and children?  Is he trying to start another treatment of the vets from this war like the vets from Vietnam were treated?  I have lost all respect for this man.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: My_name_is_Kenny on 11/28/03 at 10:50 p.m.

I usually give Tim Robbins a pass for being so gosh-darn likable, but he is starting to piss me off.

I mean, I thought that people had at least learned since Vietnam that even if you have issues with a war, you don't blame the brave men and women of the military who for the most part did not request or desire to fight.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: Dagwood on 11/29/03 at 08:15 a.m.


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I mean, I thought that people had at least learned since Vietnam that even if you have issues with a war, you don't blame the brave men and women of the military who for the most part did not request or desire to fight.
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Well said, Kenny.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: Mr_80s on 11/29/03 at 09:17 a.m.

Quoting:
It is a play, people.  Why do they assume he is correct?End Quote



The problem is the 15% of the ignorant that WILL believe that it is a true and factual play, with responsible research behind it.

I can understand if it is openly stated that it is a satire.  Heck, I love satire, as long as that is how it is portrayed.  One of my favorite movies in my collection is "Dr. Strangelove", but they made no attempt to say it was a true story.

Another of my favorite satire stores is "Animal Farm".  And that one obviously was not true (however it was based on George Orwell's experience with the Comunist Party).

The problem here is that Tim Robbins is trying to make a political statement, which is very different from any form of reality.  And that a lot of the actors involved as well as the audience believe it to be true.  That is the dangerous precident.

In addition, his protrayal ov the veterans of the current conflict are very disturbing as well as unfair to them.  This is dangerously close to Vietnam, and the military is still smarting from it's treatment from that even 30+ years later.  I know that during the 1991 Gulf War, a lot of us were worried how people would react to us after we got out of the service.  I am so glad that nothing like that ever developed (other then in San Francisco).

With the implication of killing innocents, censorship, derogatory language (calling the press people "his bitches"), and other things just sickens me.  And equally disturbing is that some of the actors believe it.

The "Not everything is factual, and maybe that is our fault through satire" quote by one of the stars is very disturbing to me.  From what Fox News says, almost none of it is true, other then the fact that there was a war and Bush was the president.  Those are probably the only factual parts of the entire play.

ALso disturbing to me is that Mr. Robbins declined to comment until after the newsmen saw the play.  Then even after they saw it, he refused to comment.  Basically he has blinders on, and does not WANT to know the truth.  Like so many Hollywood types, he wants to make the truth himself, to be what he wants it to be, the REAL truth be damned.  ANd he is afraid to back up his story in any kind of fair media.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: resinchaser on 11/29/03 at 10:31 a.m.

Oh give me a break. Like Fox News is the leader in unbiased journalism ::) I wonder why George Bush gave Fox news a one on one interview and not CNN?

Tim Robbins is giving his opinion. He's telling us how he sees things. The last time I checked, America was still a free country where you were allowed to have your own opinions.

You wanna talk about manipulating the media, how about the story the Pentagon released to the media regarding Jessica Lynch? Now that has since been proven to be fiction, even by members of her own unit.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: Rice_Cube on 11/29/03 at 02:22 p.m.


Quoting:
Oh give me a break. Like Fox News is the leader in unbiased journalism ::) I wonder why George Bush gave Fox news a one on one interview and not CNN?End Quote



Well, in all media, you're gonna be hard-pressed to find something completely non-biased.  I guess it depends on the individual.

I don't watch CNN because it's too liberal and I don't watch FOX because it's too conservative.  I prefer to find out things on my own instead of being spoonfed opinions and information.

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Tim Robbins is giving his opinion. He's telling us how he sees things. The last time I checked, America was still a free country where you were allowed to have your own opinions.End Quote



Well, I agree that he does have a right to his opinion, but like Mr. 80s said, when one's opinion is so dangerously distorted...ack :-/

Quoting:

You wanna talk about manipulating the media, how about the story the Pentagon released to the media regarding Jessica Lynch? Now that has since been proven to be fiction, even by members of her own unit.
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That was pretty screwed up.  I heard there was another POW (who happened to be black) who didn't get nearly as much exposure though she went through a similar hell.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: resinchaser on 11/29/03 at 04:12 p.m.


Quoting:
Well, I agree that he does have a right to his opinion, but like Mr. 80s said, when one's opinion is so dangerously distorted...ack :-/
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That was my point in my previous post. Tim Robbins is a civilian who is distorting facts about the war. the whole Jessica Lynch story was fabricated by the government, which is much worse IMHO.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: Rice_Cube on 11/29/03 at 04:19 p.m.


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That was my point in my previous post. Tim Robbins is a civilian who is distorting facts about the war. the whole Jessica Lynch story was fabricated by the government, which is much worse IMHO.
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Yeah, I think the Jessica Lynch thing was a media event more than anything...I don't know the full details but I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than your typical government conspiracy movie.  Either way, like I said above, the way they turned her into a media whore was pretty screwed up.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: 80sRocked on 11/29/03 at 04:34 p.m.

Quoting:
Yeah, I think the Jessica Lynch thing was a media event more than anything...I don't know the full details but I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than your typical government conspiracy movie.  Either way, like I said above, the way they turned her into a media whore was pretty screwed up.
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I agree the Lynch thing was a highly over-dramatized story by the govt.  However, what really bothers me is how she gladly accepted the cash to sell her story for the movie and book, and then came out and said it wasnt all true and said she was "used". ::)  So I don't consider the govt to be 100% to blame for her becoming a media whore, after all she did take the cash first, then waited until it was all shown and then decided to play it down.



But reagrding the topic:  Tim Robbins can speak until his face turns blue, and it won't change my mind on anything.  I don't care what he says.  



Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: Rice_Cube on 11/29/03 at 04:40 p.m.


Quoting:
I agree the Lynch thing was a highly over-dramatized story by the govt.  However, what really bothers me is how she gladly accepted the cash to sell her story for the movie and book, and then came out and said it wasnt all true and said she was "used". ::)  So I don't consider the govt to be 100% to blame for her becoming a media whore, after all she did take the cash first, then waited until it was all shown and then decided to play it down.
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Duly noted :)  It seems that the government presented an opportunity and the Lynch family took full advantage of it, right or not.  I just don't know all the details.

On a lighter note, how many tickets do you think Tim Robbins will sell?  The way the article presented it, his viewpoints are so extreme as to be almost unbelievable...at least to me.

Subject: Re: What the far left really thinks of the Iraq wa

Written By: philbo_baggins on 12/01/03 at 04:07 a.m.

So it's a biased retelling of history - am I supposed to be surprised?