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About frickin' time :P  It would have been passed years ago if not for a certain person vetoing it all the time ::)
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gee, who could that person be? ::)


IMO, theres regular murder, then theres Partial-Birth abortion.  That ranks above conventional murder, and if anyone condones that barabaric act, they have serious mental disorders.  ehhem Mr Clinton. ;)

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I'm glad they finally got it banned!  I'm against any form of abortion (unless it occurs naturally, which a woman really can't help), but partial birth has got to be the worst!  It makes no logical sense to me!  30 seconds later, it would have been murder, but before that it's legal?  Seriously!   I can understand why there's contraversy about it before the baby is mature enough to survive outside the womb, even though I've already stated my views on that, but how did partial birth even become an issue?   It makes no sense whatever to me.
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I agree.

Abortion is one thing, and has arguments on both sides.

But PARTIAL birth abortion is simply dispicable.  The baby is able to be born, so theres no argument whether or not its a "human or not".  And sticking a needle in its head and sucking the brains out is nothing short of barbaric.  I don;t know how anyone can approve of this act.  It is simply murder, no quesition about it.


But neverhteless, some Democrats are prepared to file suit in court to overturn this law. ::)   I guess this barabaric practice is still acceptable to some folks.

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The reason Clinton vetoed the bill before was because there was no provision that allows for late term abortion when the mother's life is in danger. I am totally against partial birth abortion simply for convenience sake. I'm against abortion in general, but it's stupid that there is not a little blip in the law that allows for abortion in case of health complications.

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I dont know why John, but Im shocked that I heard this from you......

anyway, I am 100% against partial birth abortion.....

but to answer John's question, if the mothers life is in danger, then I have no problem with aborting the child to save her life....

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I dont know why John, but Im shocked that I heard this from you......

anyway, I am 100% against partial birth abortion.....

but to answer John's question, if the mothers life is in danger, then I have no problem with aborting the child to save her life....
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What? Did you think I was a parrot? ;D I don't follow EVERYTHING that is a leftist stance.

My concerns about the mothers' health were not addressed in the law, however. Not only does this compromise the mother's health, but it will delay the illegalization of partial birth abortion because now family-planning groups have a reason to get it thrown out.

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I'm not in the medical field, but I really don't understand how a partial birth abortion could save a mother's life.  Maybe if it's earlier in the term, but what difference does it make to the mother's health if the baby is born alive instead of being killed a few minutes before birth?
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No, this is a ban on late term abortions in general and sometimes there are unforseen complications that might compromise the life of the mother unless an abortion is performed. I'm not a doctor, so I'm not sure of what the complications are, but I'm sure they exist.

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There definately can be complications in a pregnancy.   But if it's late term and the baby can probably live outside the womb anyway, don't they usually just induce labor or perform a C-section?  I've heard of that happening.
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There are some complications either with the mother or the foetus that can't be detected until 16 -20 weeks into pregnancy. (In Britain many mothers do not have an ultrasound scan until 18-20 weeks).  The foetus will not survive if born at that age but cannot be aborted in the usual method.  In these cases the labour is usually induced and the mother gives birth.

This is not to say I approve of this method but just to explain why there are late abortions.  And, by extension, perhaps it was felt that there needed to be a quick way to end the foetus's life.  Not sure that the method chosen was ideal but would anyone care to suggest an alternative?

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 Not sure that the method chosen was ideal but would anyone care to suggest an alternative?
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NO excuse for waiting until that late stage in a pregnancy....Choose Life!

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The reason Clinton vetoed the bill before was because there was no provision that allows for late term abortion when the mother's life is in danger. I am totally against partial birth abortion simply for convenience sake. I'm against abortion in general, but it's stupid that there is not a little blip in the law that allows for abortion in case of health complications.

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Ok, I have been gone for a while and will come back and wade right in here...I agree with you, John.(shocking isn't it?)  I am against abortion, too...but if the mothers life were at stake or in the case of rape or incest, then it should be allowed.  Partial birth abortion needs to be banned no matter what...it is just wrong, IMO.

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Ok, I have been gone for a while and will come back and wade right in here...I agree with you, John.(shocking isn't it?)  I am against abortion, too...but if the mothers life were at stake or in the case of rape or incest, then it should be allowed.  Partial birth abortion needs to be banned no matter what...it is just wrong, IMO.


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Dag, I think me and you just might agree on everything  :D

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NO excuse for waiting until that late stage in a pregnancy....Choose Life!
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Mark

Reread my post and you'll see I pointed out reasons why the abortion might not happen until a late stage.  I agree that it isn't an acceptable method for birth control.

A friend of mine didn't find out until a scan at 18 weeks that she was carrying conjoined (Siamese) twins.  The way they were joined meant that they could not be separated and would not survive long after being born.  Would you seriously make someone carry these babies for another 32 weeks so that they could be born 'naturally' and die anyway?

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Dag, I think me and you just might agree on everything  :D
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I guess great minds think alike! ;D

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Mark

Reread my post and you'll see I pointed out reasons why the abortion might not happen until a late stage.  I agree that it isn't an acceptable method for birth control.

A friend of mine didn't find out until a scan at 18 weeks that she was carrying conjoined (Siamese) twins.  The way they were joined meant that they could not be separated and would not survive long after being born.  Would you seriously make someone carry these babies for another 32 weeks so that they could be born 'naturally' and die anyway?
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I would like to point out that many women agonize over the decision of abortion, and not just have an "oh, well..." approach to ending a pregnancy.  This is not simply a black or white issue as Rockandrollfan would suggest by "Choosing Life".  This must be a case to case basis and as Karen suggests, certainly not an acceptable means of birth control.  There would be no reason to put babies or mothers through such horrors as she suggested of her friend's pregnancy.  I thank the heavens that I've never had to make such a choice.

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I guess great minds think alike! ;D
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lol

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About frickin' time :P  It would have been passed years ago if not for a certain person vetoing it all the time ::)
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8)

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I feel for your friend karen, I was just putting in my two-cents.... :)..and ladybug316, I meant no offense either ;)
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None taken.  That's why it's a debate. :)

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I feel for your friend karen, I was just putting in my two-cents.... :)..and ladybug316, I meant no offense either ;)
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Sure Mark and I respect your opinion.  I was just pointing out that there are sometimes reasons why women 'chose' another option.  As with many things the issue is not as black and white as people would like.

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I agree. :)


I could go out and manually end the life of somebody on the street, and I would get tried and charged for murder.

But for some reason, some think its ok to manually end the life of a baby.  

What a crazy (and sometimes sick) world we live in.

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I have two things to say to that:
1) I believe that partial birth abortions are wrong, it is murder. Either way you try to look at it, it is murder. If you try to deny it, it won't work. You are killing a human being. I think that any kind of abortion is wrong. Whether it be birth control pills, abortion, anything like that. If you want to have "sexual intercourses", and you get pregnant,then its your fault. If you don't want to get pregnant, then you shouldn't do it in the first place.
and 2) i think anyone who has an abortion should be on trial for murder.

(i am sorry if this offended anybody in any way, i am very outspoken, please do not take any of this offensively)

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Did you know that 13 year old rape victims get pregnant all the time?  Why do you assume that "sexual intercourse" and pregnancy are a woman's fault?  I have no problem with your opinion about abortion being wrong, but when you don't have all the angles covered it makes you seem a bit immature.  

Oh, no offense.

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Judge puts block on abortion bill

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He must be a close friend of former prez Billary clinton ::)

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More blocks of the new law

Figures.  I love it when they legislate from the courts.  It's awesome.
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I'm not surprised at all these people are trying to block it.

Yesterday as soon as the bill was signed, there was a groupd of Democrats in Washington plastered on C-SPAN protesting it, saying it was "unconstitutional". ::)  Maybe I missed something, but where in the Constitution does it say its ok to shove a needle into a real live and developed baby's head and suck its brains out?  If anyone can give me a reason why thats not murder, I would love to hear it.

After all, this law didn't ban conventional abortions, it would ban killing a baby in the last tri-mester.  


Although I am not a supporter of abortions in general, I do understand the arguments for using conventional abortions in very very obscure circumstances.  I don't support it, but I acknowledge the arguments (if that makes any sense ???).  

But, as long as I live, I will never support or akcnowledge any excuse to perform late-term, or "partial-birth" abortions.  Its barbaric, its inhumane, its murder.  No question about it.

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    I agree, and that is why I am a high school student for pro-Choice.

      I remember hearing about a movie once where this woman finds out that her unborn child is going to be a gay male, and her husband wants to have it aborted. It kinda brought up an idea within me...if such profiling about a child's future were available, and you could find out if your child was gay and you disaprove of that lifestyle, or mentally or physically handidcaped, or with a terminally ill defect, or will grow up to be a psychotic serial killer...and there was nothing you could do about it, would you still have it, knowing that this would not be the kind of child you had in mind? I don't presume to know that absolutely every pro-Lifer would change their mind about abortion if they found out the fetus they were carrying would not turn out the kind of child they wanted, but I'm sure some would definitely consider it.

    At the end of the day, abortion happens. It's been happening, I assume, probaly since the beginning of time. Unwanted pregnancies always have happened, and there has been a search of ways to end them. Abortions were illegal in America from 1883 to 1973, and they still happened! Gov't tried to tell women what they could and couldn't do with their pregnancies, and alot of them risked their own lives and health to get illegal abortions because they simply couldn't carry out their pregnancy! So even if it is someday made illegal again, that won't stop it from happening because at the end of the day, abortion is the only option for some women.