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Most definitely.  Ive been sick of that a-hole for the past 10 years.  Im glad the public finally stood up and said SHUT UP.  Appearantly, Rush is a prescription drug addict too and there is hard proof of it.    

Rush is going down in flames!!! yesssss
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reminds me of jimmy "the Greek" snyder....what a tool >:( I also would like to add that NOBODY should be racist...be it white against black OR black against white...ect, ect.  People aren't aware enough about reverse prejiduce and please excuse my spelling if it's wrong ;)

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reminds me of jimmy "the Greek" snyder....what a tool >:( I also would like to add that NOBODY should be racist...be it white against black OR black against white...ect, ect.  People aren't aware enough about reverse prejiduce and please excuse my spelling if it's wrong ;)
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So... you agree with Pat Buchanan, then?

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The first two comments in this thread are two of the most uninformed comments I have ever heard.  Look at the facts before you post, and you may not come off as ignorant.  I didn't write this, but it explains Rush's so-called "Racist" comment better than I ever could.

Rush's Comment:

"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go.  I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Do you need any further clarification of what Limbaugh said?  Do I have to break it down for you?  OK ... step-by-step:

1.  Donovan McNabb hasn't been a very good quarterback from the beginning.

Anything racist there?  If there is, I can't find it.  Do we now find ourselves at the point where you cannot criticize a black athlete without being called a racist?

2.  The National Football League has some social concerns.

Translation, there's a bit of political correctness in the NFL front office.  I don't know if that's true or not.  You tell me!  Is there anything inherently wrong with bringing up the possibility?

3.  Some sportswriters want to see a black quarterback do well.

Well now isn't that a shocking statement!  Can you imagine that!  A few weeks ago a female place kicker actually kicked a field goal in a Division 1A college football game.  Do you think that it is at all possible that there were some sportswriters out there, maybe even some female sportswriters, who wanted to see that kick go through the uprights?  Would that make these sportswriters sexist? So we find it perfectly reasonable to understand why a female sportswriter might want to see that gal kick that football, but you just can't imagine a black sportswriter wanting to see a black quarterback succeed?  Come on, admit it.  You went to government schools, didn't you?

4.  Donovan McNabb has been getting more credit for the team's success than perhaps he deserves.

Maybe so, maybe not!  I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to comment on that.  I couldn't name any Eagles player other than McNabb .. and if it weren't for this story I wouldn't even be able to name him.  I'm just not that much of a fan.  But can't a question like this be addressed to literally hundreds of players in each of the four major sports?

So .. there you go.  Rush's statement broken down into four easily understandable statements, none of which is the slightest bit racially insensitive, let alone racist.

And now ... along comes Tennessee Democrat Harold Ford to share his wisdom with us on this issue.   Congressman Ford, who is black, says he doesn't know if Limbaugh should have included race in his statement.  Tell me, how in the hell can you try to make the point that the media, feeding on political correctness, wanted to see a black quarterback do well without mentioning in race?  Ford also says that ESPN should fire Limbaugh immediately for the comment.  Go over the four segments above one more time.  Now tell me just which one of those statements constitutes an offense worthy of a firing!  Maybe it was just time for Congressman Ford to renew his victim credentials.

Limbaugh crossed a politically correct line.  Only liberals are allowed to bring race into any issue.  When liberals mention race it is always a symbol and indication of their undying love for and devotion to all who cannot claim whiteness.  When conservatives bring race to the table it is always because they are closet racists and just want to keep their boots on the black man's neck.

How about giving Limbaugh's statement a fair hearing?  Make your case that McNabb has been all-pro from the beginning.  Convince us that the NFL never gives any consideration to the dictates of political correctness.  Convince me that sportswriters would never root for the success of an athlete who shares their plumbing or skin color.  Then you can explain how the Eagle's success is due to the brilliance of Donovan McNabb.   But ... if your goal is to attack the messenger instead of to debate the message ... then perhaps there's a place for you on the editorial board of The Washington Post.

-Neil Boortz, WSB Radio, Atlanta

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In case you haven't figured it out, you guys (at the top of this thread) just got your asses kicked.

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I knew when your racist a** joined NFL Countdown it was a DISASTER!I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY SOMETHING IGNORANT AND YOU DID .....OF COURSE!Donavan McNabb is one of the best QBs in the NFL AND CALLING HIM OVERRATED JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH OF A SCUMBAG YOU ARE!HES A QB NOT "JUST ANOTHER BLACK QB OR COACH WHO EVERYONE WANTS TO DO WELL OK?"YOU BETTER OF QUIT BECAUSE I GUARANTEE THAT ESPN WAS GOING TO FIRE YOU.....SO GOOD RITTENS!!!!!! >:(
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Since I didn't know what a "rittens" was I had to read this thread.

My oh my.  All of your threads are so insightful.  I am amazed at your inability to write a coherant, well thought sentence.  Read what Screwball wrote.  Read it 2 or 3 times if you have to.  

You should channel all of your negative, boorish energy into going back to school.  Learn to spell.  Take a lanyard class.  But please don't have anymore opinions.  They're just too painful to read.

BTW, it's good RIDDANCE!

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Rush is still an a**hole and I don't need him to preach to me about political correctness when I'm trying to watch football! I think it's an a**hole think to say, especially when McNabb is one of the most successful black quarterbacks in the NFL (other than Vick if his amazing performances continue).
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Well, Rush is the opposite of "Policital Correctness".  He does not care about PC at all, he just calls things the way he sees them.  And many of the people with him saw nothing wrong with the comments, until the "raceist" crowd started to scream the next day.  And views on who is the best quarterback is just that, a view, an opinion.  Some of us will still insist it is Joe Namath, or Bob Gresie, or even Jim McMahon.

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I think, comming from Rush, the racial undertones can be detected. I'll have to see the clip so I can be sure that this quote isn't taken out of context or something.

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Oh, how I love when people blast somebody, when they themselves have not even seen the item that is being debated!!!!!!!!

WHen somebody blasts something, then admits they have not seen/heard/read the item in question, to me that shows them to be narrow minded idiots that are just blasting at a convient target, with no information.

You may hate Rush, that is your right.  But when you make comments like that, to me it proves that you are not offering any information, just trying to shove your hatred in our face, without doing any checking into facts.

God save us all from fools that confuse facts with opinion, and try to make us accepts their opinions as fact.

I am sone, and get off my soapbox.  I can see that some people have no interest in discussion, only in bombasting and preaching their opinions.  ANd never letting facts sway their views unless the "facts" support their opinion.

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I knew when your racist a** joined NFL Countdown it was a DISASTER!I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY SOMETHING IGNORANT AND YOU DID .....OF COURSE!Donavan McNabb is one of the best QBs in the NFL AND CALLING HIM OVERRATED JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH OF A SCUMBAG YOU ARE!HES A QB NOT "JUST ANOTHER BLACK QB OR COACH WHO EVERYONE WANTS TO DO WELL OK?"YOU BETTER OF QUIT BECAUSE I GUARANTEE THAT ESPN WAS GOING TO FIRE YOU.....SO GOOD RITTENS!!!!!! >:(
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What did Rush say that was ignorant?  It was an opinion.  He had a point too because when the Eagles were winning they had a dominant defense.  Sure McNabb is an extremely gifted athlete but has yet to win a big game.  Now the defense isn't so dominating and...get the picture?  As for ESPN firing him anyway that is not true.  The ratings were up since he started.  

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Well, Rush is the opposite of "Policital Correctness".  He does not care about PC at all, he just calls things the way he sees them.  And many of the people with him saw nothing wrong with the comments, until the "raceist" crowd started to scream the next day.  And views on who is the best quarterback is just that, a view, an opinion.  Some of us will still insist it is Joe Namath, or Bob Gresie, or even Jim McMahon.End Quote

Moron, that was my point. He's there to talk football, not turn into a PC detector.

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Oh, how I love when people blast somebody, when they themselves have not even seen the item that is being debated!!!!!!!!
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Like Republicans did when the media hyped up the Paul Wellstone memorial. I heard about it and I have seen the quote. I have heard Rush on his radio program *shudder*. I was just stating that, from what I have heard him say, I would not be surprised if there were racial undertones in it.

I thought I was doing the honest thing by owning up that I had not actually seen the clip. I was hoping someone could post a link. The news does not seem to want to provide one. I was looking for a link, I was not looking for you to say "Ah HAH! He's a liar!"

Don't be a Rush-esque a**hole. I was just saying what my opinion was based on what I knew and I wanted to know more. Did YOU see it?

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I didn't hear what Rush said on the air, just what was written about it in the newspaper.

After reading Screwball's post I don't think that Rush said anything racist about McNabb. But I think that it is pretty stupid to think that the media is overhyping him just because he is black.

If that were the case the media would definately be giving more hype to better players than McNabb.


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Personally I prefer Michael Vick.

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That's a matter of opinion.  And that, my friends, is why Dennis Miller and Rush were both hired to comment on football - HYPE!
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Hey cs, did you ever go to ESPN.com while Dennis Miller was still on the MNF where they translated all his obscure comments during the telecast?  :D  That was fun stuff :D

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The first two comments in this thread are two of the most uninformed comments I have ever heard.  Look at the facts before you post, and you may not come off as ignorant.  I didn't write this, but it explains Rush's so-called "Racist" comment better than I ever could.

Rush's Comment:

"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go.  I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Do you need any further clarification of what Limbaugh said?  Do I have to break it down for you?  OK ... step-by-step:

1.  Donovan McNabb hasn't been a very good quarterback from the beginning.

Anything racist there?  If there is, I can't find it.  Do we now find ourselves at the point where you cannot criticize a black athlete without being called a racist?

2.  The National Football League has some social concerns.

Translation, there's a bit of political correctness in the NFL front office.  I don't know if that's true or not.  You tell me!  Is there anything inherently wrong with bringing up the possibility?

3.  Some sportswriters want to see a black quarterback do well.

Well now isn't that a shocking statement!  Can you imagine that!  A few weeks ago a female place kicker actually kicked a field goal in a Division 1A college football game.  Do you think that it is at all possible that there were some sportswriters out there, maybe even some female sportswriters, who wanted to see that kick go through the uprights?  Would that make these sportswriters sexist? So we find it perfectly reasonable to understand why a female sportswriter might want to see that gal kick that football, but you just can't imagine a black sportswriter wanting to see a black quarterback succeed?  Come on, admit it.  You went to government schools, didn't you?

4.  Donovan McNabb has been getting more credit for the team's success than perhaps he deserves.

Maybe so, maybe not!  I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to comment on that.  I couldn't name any Eagles player other than McNabb .. and if it weren't for this story I wouldn't even be able to name him.  I'm just not that much of a fan.  But can't a question like this be addressed to literally hundreds of players in each of the four major sports?

So .. there you go.  Rush's statement broken down into four easily understandable statements, none of which is the slightest bit racially insensitive, let alone racist.

And now ... along comes Tennessee Democrat Harold Ford to share his wisdom with us on this issue.   Congressman Ford, who is black, says he doesn't know if Limbaugh should have included race in his statement.  Tell me, how in the hell can you try to make the point that the media, feeding on political correctness, wanted to see a black quarterback do well without mentioning in race?  Ford also says that ESPN should fire Limbaugh immediately for the comment.  Go over the four segments above one more time.  Now tell me just which one of those statements constitutes an offense worthy of a firing!  Maybe it was just time for Congressman Ford to renew his victim credentials.

Limbaugh crossed a politically correct line.  Only liberals are allowed to bring race into any issue.  When liberals mention race it is always a symbol and indication of their undying love for and devotion to all who cannot claim whiteness.  When conservatives bring race to the table it is always because they are closet racists and just want to keep their boots on the black man's neck.

How about giving Limbaugh's statement a fair hearing?  Make your case that McNabb has been all-pro from the beginning.  Convince us that the NFL never gives any consideration to the dictates of political correctness.  Convince me that sportswriters would never root for the success of an athlete who shares their plumbing or skin color.  Then you can explain how the Eagle's success is due to the brilliance of Donovan McNabb.   But ... if your goal is to attack the messenger instead of to debate the message ... then perhaps there's a place for you on the editorial board of The Washington Post.

-Neil Boortz, WSB Radio, Atlanta

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In case you haven't figured it out, you guys (at the top of this thread) just got your asses kicked.
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Since I didn't know what a "rittens" was I had to read this thread.

My oh my.  All of your threads are so insightful.  I am amazed at your inability to write a coherant, well thought sentence.  Read what Screwball wrote.  Read it 2 or 3 times if you have to.  

You should channel all of your negative, boorish energy into going back to school.  Learn to spell.  Take a lanyard class.  But please don't have anymore opinions.  They're just too painful to read.

BTW, it's good RIDDANCE!
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To anybody that confuses PC (Political Correctness) with raceism, you may want to think about it.

FYI:  When Rush got married in the early 1990's, he did it in a small private ceremony.  It was not publicized, and only 1 photograph was released with him, his wife, and the person that performed the ceremony.

Out of all the people he could have asked to officiate this event, he only asked 1 person.  And that person happily accepted.

That person was Justice Clarance Thomas.  Now if Rush was a raceist, why would he ask a black man to perform his marriage?

THe problem is that some people see raceism in everything, and that does nothing but cheapen the word.  I myself have been accused of raceism twice, both times the claim was that I was raceist against Hispanics.  That is a strange accusation, considering my wife was born and raised in Argentina.
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To anybody that confuses PC (Political Correctness) with raceism, you may want to think about it.

FYI:  When Rush got married in the early 1990's, he did it in a small private ceremony.  It was not publicized, and only 1 photograph was released with him, his wife, and the person that performed the ceremony.

Out of all the people he could have asked to officiate this event, he only asked 1 person.  And that person happily accepted.

That person was Justice Clarance Thomas.  Now if Rush was a raceist, why would he ask a black man to perform his marriage?

THe problem is that some people see raceism in everything, and that does nothing but cheapen the word.  I myself have been accused of raceism twice, both times the claim was that I was raceist against Hispanics.  That is a strange accusation, considering my wife was born and raised in Argentina.
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No we didnt get our butts kicked we just have our opinions ok?

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Believe what you want, cupcake.  I'm not a Limbaugh fan either, but I know a good ass-beatin' when I see one.  Your arguments are disjointed, emotional, and devoid of logic.  Your spelling and grammar skills betray your youth; are you sure you're not a "child of the 90's"?  My eight-year-old is more coherent.  The quote Screwball posted was a jarring contrast to yours:  Eloquent, logical, and fairly convincing.  I'm sure there's a persuasive argument to be made to counter it; I'm afraid it's not likely to come from you.  Please don't reply; I get headaches when I laugh too much.

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Believe what you want, cupcake.  I'm not a Limbaugh fan either, but I know a good ass-beatin' when I see one.  Your arguments are disjointed, emotional, and devoid of logic.  Your spelling and grammar skills betray your youth; are you sure you're not a "child of the 90's"?  My eight-year-old is more coherent.  The quote Screwball posted was a jarring contrast to yours:  Eloquent, logical, and fairly convincing.  I'm sure there's a persuasive argument to be made to counter it; I'm afraid it's not likely to come from you.  Please don't reply; I get headaches when I laugh too much.
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I don't know who Rush Limbaugh is. I've just done some research and I now realise he is a 'radio megastar' as Good Morning America put it.
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Rush is a radio talk show host here in the US.  He is conservative, which automatically puts him on the "hit list" of the extreme left.  Add to that that his show is the #1 syndicated radio show in America (and is broadcast overseas through Armed Forces Network radio stations) and it is obvious why he is subject to any kind of attack from some people.

He has been accused of being a raceist for years, even though one of his most common guest hosts is a black minister.  Another of his guest hosts is a Jewish man who now has his own show.

One thing about some of the people in the political left in this country is that they love to attack with no basis in fact.  They will just fling around a lot of mud, in the theory that at least some people will believe it.  They have been trying to get the Rush Limbaugh Show cancelled since it debued nation wide in 1987.  But since then, the popularity has grown even more.

It is sad that politics here is now nothing but name calling, with no substance in truth.  I seem to remember after 9/11, a lot of politicians pledged to put an end to partisan politics.  But sadly, that only lasted about 3 months.

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Politicians are similar over here. I guess the difference being is that ours are subtle by using any form of negative evidence against the Prime Minister (at the moment I don't think The Hutton Enquiry is going down well with anybody at the moment which is to do with the suicide of Dr Kelly).

They also refer to each other as 'My right honourable gentlemen' with clenched teeth. Funny stuff really.  :D

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Listen Claudia Prez,you better take some aspirin for your headaches because I'm posting on this all I want.This is a messageboard remember now all the sudden Im back in English class?YOU NEVER MAKE ANY GRAMMAR ERRORS?YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID SO......WHATEVER.Im glad you have a genius eight year old its obvious they get their brains from their mom as I said YOU HAVE NO OPINION OF YOUR OWN YOU ARE JUST GOING BY RUSH'S TRANSCRIPT!!Later "Cream puff"
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I never said my daughter was a genius; I just said she's more coherent than you.  Huge difference.  HUGE.  (OW my head...)

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Rush is a radio talk show host here in the US.  He is conservative, which automatically puts him on the "hit list" of the extreme left.  Add to that that his show is the #1 syndicated radio show in America (and is broadcast overseas through Armed Forces Network radio stations) and it is obvious why he is subject to any kind of attack from some people.

He has been accused of being a raceist for years, even though one of his most common guest hosts is a black minister.  Another of his guest hosts is a Jewish man who now has his own show.

One thing about some of the people in the political left in this country is that they love to attack with no basis in fact.  They will just fling around a lot of mud, in the theory that at least some people will believe it.  They have been trying to get the Rush Limbaugh Show cancelled since it debued nation wide in 1987.  But since then, the popularity has grown even more.

It is sad that politics here is now nothing but name calling, with no substance in truth.  I seem to remember after 9/11, a lot of politicians pledged to put an end to partisan politics.  But sadly, that only lasted about 3 months.
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Rush gets accused of being racist because ever since the 1950's and 1960's there has been a strong undercurrent of xenophobia and bigotry plaguing the Republican party/conservatives.  When the Democrats vomited out the racism that was infested within them back in the 50's and 60's, many racist Southern Democrats or "Dixiecrats" found refuge and comfort in the Republican party.  Ever since the mid-20th century, the Republican party has been the place retreat of fearful White Anglos in America.  I'm not saying that xenophobia and bigotry is all the Republican party has stood for since the mid-20th century, but to pretend like that's not been going on is silly.  Even George W. Bush admitted that the "party of Lincoln" certainly doesn't always act on the old idealistic ways they were once known for when he courted the Black vote back in 2000.

So come on now, one of their loudest microphones (Rush Limbaugh) is obviously going to come across like an Archie Bunker type bigot.  That being said, I don't think this particular comment was anything to get into a fuss over.  But Rush certainly is milking his firing from ESPN for all it's worth as just another example of the tyrannical and evil PC liberal empire at work.  So in my opinion, this little event probably made Rush more popular then ever to his "ditto head" listeners.    

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^Well if you know your sports "history", then you know that back in the 80's Detroit Piston's guard Isiah Thomas said that the Boston Celtic's White superstar player Larry Bird was a very good player, but not a great player.  Isiah said that if Bird was Black, he would just be another good player.

Isiah was roundly called an idiot by the so called tyrannical left wing liberal media for making such a statement about Bird.  
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Yes, well that wasnt a raciest thing either, it was once again, political correctness.  

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I'm ashamed to admit it, but I used to be a "dittohead" in the early 90s, and The Rush Limbaugh Radio Program, as he boastfully called it, was a catalyst for my nervous breakdown. Now I am glad I've disassociated myself with that windbag. I'm still a little traumatized that I supported NAFTA and GATT because of him, and now our industrial jobs are moving to Mexico and overseas. I hope I don't see you in Hell, you hate mongering "messiah". :-X

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You actually were a "follower" of Rush?  Dang, no wonder the breakdown.  This guy is a total A-hole, in the same league as Geraldo Rivera and Pat Buchanan.  

I am a conservative and haven't liked this guy from day one. He is purposefully divisive, which is the key sign of a no-good scum bag.   But then, I did have one advantage.  I was a teenager when Rush was a DJ on Pittsburgh radio, and he sucked at that too.

As for NAFTA, do not be too hard on yourself.  It was a democratic president that signed it into law.  Dems and Repubs voted for it.

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I am giving up on both this topic, and on any topics that come even close to anything like this.

I enjoy talking about politics, and have a very deep background in both politics and history.  But it is of no point when the person I am attempting to debate has the debate skill of a 2 year old.

The idea of debate is to show both sides of an arguement, and either try to a) sway one side to your own or b) reach a common compromise.

And to show this, I do not always debate from an angle I agree with in here.  What I try to do is be neutral as much as possible, and provide another angle of the topic at hand.  That is debate.  In a debate in college, you may be assigned to take a topic you are against.  That helps hone your skill in debating.  Lawyers do it all the time.  If you look at my posts, you should find then fairly neutral for the most part.  They just list facts or opinions in a neutral format, without trying to twist things to a sensationalist angle.

It is obvious that several people posting in here have no interest in giving any kind of facts or listening to anything said.  They only want to blabber hate speech and slam on others that dissagree with them.  WHen they are told they are making no sense, they attack.

When you want to talk child of the 80's, let me know.  If you want to pontificate, insult, and spread untruths, then I am going to tune you and anything like this out, because it is a waste of my time.  I put a lot of effort into making these replies.  I often do research (sometimes over several hours worth for 1 post).  To just have somebody SCREAM at me that I am stupid is not worth it.

But FYI:  Here are some sites I found on the net you might find interesting:

http://www.murdoconline.blogspot.com/  go to "Wait...doesn't that work both ways?"

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20031002.shtml

http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/other_sports/article/0,1426,MCA_1757_2316859,00.html

And interestingly enough, in response to somebody saying that they were unable to find a copy of the show that Rush made his quotes on.  Interestingly enough, I was unable to find one either.  It seems that the media wants to blast away, without showing the original quote in question.

Interestingly enough, the ONLY place I could find the original quote was on Rush's own website.  For those that want to hear the ORIGINAL ENTIRE quote in question, you may want to check it out:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com
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My final words to you Mr. 80s...
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Good "rittens"

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Hey cs, did you ever go to ESPN.com while Dennis Miller was still on the MNF where they translated all his obscure comments during the telecast?  :D  That was fun stuff :D
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Yeah, I went there for the ones I didn't "get" on my own.  Mr. cs was in stitches when Miller was on.  Too bad more people didn't understand his references.