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Subject: Bashing the Bishop
The Anglican Church in England has recently appointed an openly gay man as bishop of Reading.
Dr John has been in a relationship with a man for 27 years but says he is now celibate.
BBC news story (1 of many)
Any comments?
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
In some respects I couldn't really give a flying f..hiccup about who the Anglican church sees fit to ordain; however, I must find out one thing: where, precisely, in the bible does it say that homosexuality is against Christ? I've read the bible a couple of times (OT maybe a bit more), and don't remember it coming up anywhere.
ISTM that there's a lot of homophobic "christians" trying to pretend the bible says something it doesn't in order to justify their own prejudices. So no change there, then.
Phil
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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I must find out one thing: where, precisely, in the bible does it say that homosexuality is against Christ?End Quote
I don't know about 'against Christ' but check out Leviticus...
From KJV bible
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18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
I believe that the church have made a rod for their own back in a general sexual context altogether. Heterosexual clergy find themselves having to remain celibate and for what? It doesn't say in the bible that celibacy has to be bestowed on the clergy. Yet, almost with a pious sense of stubborness, are taking it on because it is supposed to look better on the church.
Christianity has hidden homosexuality away for years. That is the bad part - not that religious leaders have homosexual relationships even though it is condemned, in no uncertain terms, in Leviticus and other parts of the bible.
Now it suits the clergy, in an age of enlightment and liberal-mindedness, they try to make their hypocrisies more justified.
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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I don't know about 'against Christ' but check out Leviticus...
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Like the bit which says:
Quoting:19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
19:21 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering.
19:22 And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.End Quote
...so a bloke gets forgiven, but the woman is scourged? While I'm sure there's some guys who would like the sound of that, it doesn't seem to be church policy
Quoting:20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.End Quote
The death penalty for cursing your parents? Surprisingly enough, you don't hear many preachers suggesting that, either.
I'll change my previous statement, then: it seems like there's a certain amount of selection in what counts as God-given Truth and what can be conveniently forgotten.
Phil
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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it seems like there's a certain amount of selection in what counts as God-given Truth and what can be conveniently forgotten.
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That seems to be how it goes!
If the bible really is the word of God, then heaven must be a very very empty place ::)
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
"Bashing the Bishop" sounds like a new arcade game. :)
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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"Bashing the Bishop" sounds like a new arcade game. :)
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...although everyone is going to deny that they've played it "since I was a teenager" ;)
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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That seems to be how it goes!
If the bible really is the word of God, then heaven must be a very very empty place ::)
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That, if you believe the the KJV is the authentic work of God, written when? By whom? For what purpose? So many things are contradictory or rediculous that it is really hard to take the KJV seriously at all (touching the skin of a pig is a sin - and how about football? I could go on).
The question is, is the guy a good priest? Will he advance the welfare of his flock? Can't we get beyond what people do with there genitals, and with whom?
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
who cares? David Beckham's moved to Madrid ;D
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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I believe that the church have made a rod for their own back in a general sexual context altogether. Heterosexual clergy find themselves having to remain celibate and for what? It doesn't say in the bible that celibacy has to be bestowed on the clergy. Yet, almost with a pious sense of stubborness, are taking it on because it is supposed to look better on the church.
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I am confused. I thought that Anglican priests were allowed to be married...am I wrong? ???
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
Somewhere in Leviticus it says that you aren't allowed to wear a cloak of two or more colors. It's kind of weird how people take obscure references from the Bible to justify descrimination.
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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I am confused. I thought that Anglican priests were allowed to be married...am I wrong? ???
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I was being general, Dagwood and decided to avoid individual facets of Christianity. It was a common practice to be celibate at one point and know that it still goes on.
I do not trust religion in all it's forms but that is a matter of my upbringing rather than proven fact.
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
I find it amusing that people remember what it says in Leviticus about mankind lying with mankind, but forget the parts where it says slavery is okay. Levitcus is a litany of blood punishment that ignores basic human rights. The modern Bible should be without this bloodthirsty, unnecessary and contradictory Book.
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
Darn! Based on the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a naughty topic.... ::)
Subject: Re: Bashing the Bishop
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I find it amusing that people remember what it says in Leviticus about mankind lying with mankind, but forget the parts where it says slavery is okay. Levitcus is a litany of blood punishment that ignores basic human rights. The modern Bible should be without this bloodthirsty, unnecessary and contradictory Book.
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I'm not sure where you got this info, but Leviticus does not say slavery is "ok". It does talk about hired servants, which is a whole different scenario from what we describe as "slavery".