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Rap was the disco of the 90's.
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You're joking right? :o I don't recall my ONYX tape sounding anything like disco.

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Does every topic you discuss have to be divided into "Black" and "White"?

I'm white and I used to listen to a lot of rap music. I didn't listen to it because I wanted to be cool like the "Black" man, I listened to it because I liked the music and the content appealed to me. Not all rap is about b****es, hos, fortys, and blunts.

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Sorry, but I think that is just ignorant.

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Yes. Get a clue. ::)

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I think rap is crap.

99% of it anyway.

Just lame-o rip offs, oh, pardon me, "samplings" of original songs and they talk, oh, sorry, "rap" over it.

I like a couple rock-rap fusion songs.  Like Radio Song by REM and KRS One.  And a couple more.

But Tupac, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre (what is up with their being TWO Dr. Dre's?, should anyone care) and the rest of the morons leave me cold.


But rap?  Crap.  Ugly sounding music (it's not even music) with ugly words talking about boring pointless junk.

Still I think 99% of blows.  Opinions???
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my opinion? well sounds to me like you haven't heard much rap.....new rappers suck..yes but old rappers are cool..yes thry ripped some songs off but who doesn't.....and disco hasn't gone out of style..you still hear it in some remixes... and it's obviously music being that it is called music.....and how would we know what music sounds like..maybe any kind of music is no music.......and as for Tupac and Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre being morons why dont you pick up a Biography on them...they can be smarter then you give them credit for...I mean you dont live with them or know them personally..so how would you know they are morons? and as for all of them rapping about B!tches and Drinking and things like that...I've heard a couple where they dont......also rapping like how you mentioned you sort of like Eminem...they like to get thier anger out...and if thats there talent and the can show people how they feel through it then they are going to do it.......so thats my opinion on what you are saying.

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Some interesting points.

But rap.  I still don't like it.

But yes, not everyone can do what a lot of the major rappers do.

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well, I'm not trying to change your mind because I know I cant do that...but how would you like it if we called you names because you like a certain type of music? I really dont think you would like it much.....your not anything if you listen to a certain kind of music...thats like saying "oh whoever listens to Marilyn Manson hates god and is a devil worshipper"

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Dude, he's only the SECOND BEST-SELLING ARTIST IN HISTORY.

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So just because you don't like Garth Brooks, it's necessary to make fun of those who actually listen to him?  

It's called an opinion.  If you don't agree with someone, that's fine, but name-calling is totally unnecessary.  (And I don't care if I sounded like a teacher just then.)

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There appears to be quite a rash of ignorance on these boards lately.
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I concur with your analysis.

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There appears to be quite a rash of ignorance on these boards lately.
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I completly agree.  >:(

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Death metal bands scream (mostly), does that mean it's not music?
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That depends upon what style of death metal you listen to. Plenty of DM bands use melody and conventional song structure: verse/chorus/verse/chorus... Metal is obstencibly an extreme form of hard rock music, and while I see your point (in a lot of DM bands, the vocals are merely used as another instrument, and not really as 'singing' as it is normally defined), the basic structure of the music isn't that different to other conventional forms, and the beats and rhythms are vital to the songs.
As a general rule, however, rap is different. Technically, rap doesn't even need a beat behind it, because the beat isn't important, so most of the time the "music" element of rap isn't even necessary. Therefore, technically speaking, rap isn't 'music', but it is art. Rap is a vocal delivery style. If you want to argue about the music, you probably should be talking about the wider genre itself: hip hop.

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I think rap is crap.

99% of it anyway.

Just lame-o rip offs, oh, pardon me, "samplings" of original songs and they talk, oh, sorry, "rap" over it.

I like a couple rock-rap fusion songs.  Like Radio Song by REM and KRS One.  And a couple more.

But Tupac, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre (what is up with their being TWO Dr. Dre's?, should anyone care) and the rest leave me cold.

Rap is a slightly less lame version of country music.  Rap was the disco of the 90's.

I think white people like to be "hip" and say how much they like rap and how brilliant it is.  I guess cos anything black people invent must be cool.  

But rap is not one of those things.  

Black music like rock, R&B, soul, blues, even some jazz I can enjoy.  

But rap?  Crap.  Ugly sounding music (it's not even music) with ugly words talking about boring pointless junk.

What do they rap about?  Hoes, drinking a forty ounce, cops suck, racism sucks.  Aaa, I already know racism sucks, guys.

I hope it will go out of style like disco did.  Rap is punishment for slavery.  And no, it is not racism to not like rap music.

And I hate white kids acting like ghetto black kids.  This crap drives me nuts.  M&M, or Emeniem or whatever his name is...*sigh* I kinda sorta like him, god help me.  Even though he is one of those ghetto sounding white kids.

Falco (rock me amadeus) sang rap!  God help me, I liked him too.

I bought one rap single in my life.  I Goto Work by Kool Moe Dee.  It had this synthesizer horn sounding section in the background I liked.

I also liked this song that used the guitar riff from Led Zepplein's Kashmir that was used in the movie Bad Lieutenant.  Bye Schooly something...that was a cool bad song.  But it was rock-rap fusion.

And LL Cool J did an MTV unplugged where he did rap backed by acoustic instruments that was cool.  I remember to this day him rapping Mama Said Knock You Out with both arms raised and chucks of white deodrant under his sweaty arms.  That clip was kinda cool.

Still I think 99% of blows.  Opinions???
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You have a lot to learn when it comes to expressing yourself in messageboards, especially those of the moderated kind.

That's my opinion on your post.

As far as the topic -

IMO, old Rap was innovative and interesting; I even liked it to some degree. I haven't liked Rap since the mid 80's when all the fun seemed to be sucked out of it and was replaced with profanity, anarchy and violence. Yeah, "Gangsta" Rap ruined it for me, pretty much. Eh, no big loss as far as I'm concerned. I do, however, respect other's opinions and tastes in music. For those of you who like Rap, more power to you.

Quoting:IMO, old Rap was innovative and interesting; I even liked it to some degree. I haven't liked Rap since the mid 80's when all the fun seemed to be sucked out of it and was replaced with profanity, anarchy and violence. Yeah, "Gangsta" Rap ruined it for me, pretty much. Eh, no big loss as far as I'm concerned. I do, however, respect other's opinions and tastes in music. For those of you who like Rap, more power to you.
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Gangsta rap emering in the late 80s ruined it for a lot folks.  There were many rappers who hated the mainstream, lighthearted fluff rap of the Sugar Hill Gang, Run DMC, Wil Smith, and M.C. Hammer.  So they purposely made it louder, angrier, and unaccessable to mainstream White America.

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Technically, rap doesn't even need a beat behind it, because the beat isn't important, so most of the time the "music" element of rap isn't even necessary. Therefore, technically speaking, rap isn't 'music', but it is art. Rap is a vocal delivery style. If you want to argue about the music, you probably should be talking about the wider genre itself: hip hop.
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Eh? Most rap is 'on the beat' and you hardly ever have a-cappella rap. Rap has always had a beat to it, from the days when they started out in clubs with just a drummer or human beatbox.

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Rap has changed within the past 20 years or so.The styles,fashions and lyrics have changed as well.These days guys and girls are using more words such as:"blingg,blingg,boo,and shizzle,nizzle".Whatever that means. ::)
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What is funny about this type of slang as it all sounds so onomatopoeic (words characterizing sound).

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These days guys and girls are using more words such as:"blingg,blingg,boo,and shizzle,nizzle".Whatever that means. ::)
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Having listened over the weekend to a dozen or so recent rap songs, I have come to the conclusion that the majority of these new words are made up because the rap artist in question doesn't have a large enough vocabulary to say what they want to using the words they know.  It's basically talentless rubbish that makes it on attitude over ability.  If people want to buy this s**t, it's their own lookout...

But (and it's a big but)-  I'm not criticizing the whole genre, merely the (large) majority of current rappers.  Look back to the late 50s/early 60s - there was some seriously crap rock n roll, too; every genre has had its talented exponents and its less-talented hangers-on... hopefully in ten or twenty years time, we'll all have forgotten some of these idiots and the memorable songs will still be with us.

Phil

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  Greed is a common characteristic of all people. The American culture of excess and money making schemes soon seeped into rap music and made it dirty.

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I dunno. Wasn't the greed there already? In my experience, the working class generally place a lot of emphasis on money and it's only really middle-class liberals that say things like 'You don`t need money to be happy' or 'Money`s not really the issue' or have any of these ideas that money is evil.

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I dunno. Wasn't the greed there already? In my experience, the working class generally place a lot of emphasis on money and it's only really middle-class liberals that say things like 'You don`t need money to be happy' or 'Money`s not really the issue' or have any of these ideas that money is evil.
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  Yes.

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I dunno. Wasn't the greed there already? In my experience, the working class generally place a lot of emphasis on money and it's only really middle-class liberals that say things like 'You don`t need money to be happy' or 'Money`s not really the issue' or have any of these ideas that money is evil.
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That's because they have enough to be happy. If it was taken away, their tune would change.