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The awesome Coca-Cola drink or name shouldn't be affected by this negative publicity.

A great drink is a great drink is a great drink.  ;D :D 8)
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Do you work for Coca-Cola as well, Hairspray? Tee hee.  ;D

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I thought America was land of the free!  :-/
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I guess companies still have rules...I suppose the firee could argue that his termination was unjust but if he signed a release that said he could never drink Pepsi (and he did, probably) then there's nothing to argue *shrug*

I think "American freedom" does not extend to private corporations :-/

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Sorry, but I think you all missed the point.  The guy was fired for his union activity.  This happens all the time, the National Labor Relations Act (Wagner Act) not withstanding.   Employers hate unions and hate union activists.  That's the name of the game.
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I think an employer has a right to excercise his union rights. That is what he is paying the union for in the first place.

What is the National Labor Relations Act? Does that stop a man drinking Pepsi if he works for Cocoa-Cola?  ???

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I think an employer has a right to excercise his union rights. That is what he is paying the union for in the first place.

What is the National Labor Relations Act? Does that stop a man drinking Pepsi if he works for Cocoa-Cola?  ???
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I think you meant "employee" in your post, not to be picky, just for clarity.

The NLRA, or Wagner Act, was passed in, I think 1934.  It holds that workers have a right to form a union of their choice without interference from their employers, and that their employers have a legal obligation to negotiate with those unoins in "good faith".  By the way, "NO" is a good faith bargaining position.  The historical record shows, though, that employers often violate both the NLRA and the state labor laws that either replicate it or, in some cases expand it.  These cases are often hard to prove, because they often deal with the employer's motivation.  This one seems to be a no brainer though.

I'm sure you can find more info on the NLRA, the Nat Labor Relation Board that it establishes, and federal labor law in general on line.  Hope this helps.

To answer your specific question, unless these workers signed a  promise NOT to drink a rival's product than this firing is absolutely groundless, and labor law will vindicate him - and hopefully give him a huge settlement - like owning the f-ing company!

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A great drink is a great drink is a great drink.  ;D :D 8)
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But... what's that got to do with Coke?  (or Pepsi, for that matter)

Phil

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But... what's that got to do with Coke?  (or Pepsi, for that matter)

Phil
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ROFLMAO!   ;D

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Sorry, but I think you all missed the point.  The guy was fired for his union activity.  This happens all the time, the National Labor Relations Act (Wagner Act) not withstanding.   Employers hate unions and hate union activists.  That's the name of the game.
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There you go again, DC, did you read the article?  I did....

Quoting:"This wasn't slanderous, they just wanted him because of his union activity and because he is a union leader," he claimed.End Quote

see that last word?  CLAIMED!!  Now, prove it.  Don't go spouting off that he was fired for his union activity without proof.

Quoting:The union alleges that Coke fired Bronson under a company rule that bars "slander" of the world famous product after he was seen drinking the rival soft drink, Santangelo said.End Quote

I can see their point.  It is NOT a good advertisement, whether he was in a back room or not, to see a representative of your company drinking your main rival's merchandise.  Back room or not, he could be SEEN, and it was wrong for him to do it.  If he doesn't like Coke, did he have to have a cola product?  Coca-Cola Company makes a myriad of sodas.  Why couldn't he have chosen another drink?  Or even WATER if he was thirsty?

Sorry, but I see it as justified under their rules.  And the union will have its work cut out for it to prove he was fired over union activity and not over violation of a company rule.

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Yep! Genuine spelling mistake.

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There you go again, DC, did you read the article?  I did....

see that last word?  CLAIMED!!  Now, prove it.  Don't go spouting off that he was fired for his union activity without proof.

I can see their point.  It is NOT a good advertisement, whether he was in a back room or not, to see a representative of your company drinking your main rival's merchandise.  Back room or not, he could be SEEN, and it was wrong for him to do it.  If he doesn't like Coke, did he have to have a cola product?  Coca-Cola Company makes a myriad of sodas.  Why couldn't he have chosen another drink?  Or even WATER if he was thirsty?

Sorry, but I see it as justified under their rules.  And the union will have its work cut out for it to prove he was fired over union activity and not over violation of a company rule.
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Yes, I did read the article...

I have also been involved with unions since I was 18 and have witnessed all kinds of willfull violations of labor law.  Further, Coke has the reputation of being one of the most anti-union companies around.  They are especially bad in their off shore operations, but they also push the envelope here.  Based on all that, I'd say the "claim" is likely valid.

And one more point.  Company rules not withstanding, no employer hjas the right to tell an employee what (s)he can and cannot purchase and consume unless it is cleary safty related (like booze on the job).  Workers DO have rights.

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I will not jump to conclusions based on surface info. The full picture of this investigation remains to be seen. I do recognize there could be a "rotten apple" in the bunch though.

The awesome Coca-Cola drink or name shouldn't be affected by this negative publicity.

A great drink is a great drink is a great drink.  ;D :D 8)
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AND at least Coca-Cola slogans aren't as idiotic as pepsi....remember...."Nothing else is a pepsi"  ::)...and remember that Coke out-sells pepsi 4 to 1 world wide ;) Coke IS it!

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AND at least Coca-Cola slogans aren't as idiotic as pepsi....remember...."Nothing else is a pepsi"  ::)...and remember that Coke out-sells pepsi 4 to 1 world wide ;) Coke IS it!End Quote

Do you work for Coca-Cola as well! LOL!  ;D

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Do you work for Coca-Cola as well! LOL!  ;D
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Since putting a golf ball sized piece of ground beef in a cup of pepsi and a cup of Coke...then the next morning finding about half left in the Coke and Nothing in the pepsi....I really don't drink much soda anymore ;)

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Since putting a golf ball sized piece of ground beef in a cup of pepsi and a cup of Coke...then the next morning finding about half left in the Coke and Nothing in the pepsi....I really don't drink much soda anymore ;)
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I was wondering for a while why you put food in your drink. It has just dawned on me that you are illustrating the corrosive aspects of both drinks. Duh on me.  :)

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As someone in Human Resource I can say that I would not want to be the one dragged into arbitration to justify termination an employee for drinking a soda, regardless if it's competive brand.  Also, if Coke was to lose under the FLSA then they get hit with paying back wages and "double damages" on top of that.  Basically paying the worker 2 more times what they make for the time they weren't working at all!  Stupid for a company to put themselves in that position.
Coke doesn't have a case, an amatuer lawer could have a field day with this.
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But Race, employers do stupid things ALL the time.  A colleague of mine once worked as a human resources coordinator at a hospital.  They had rejected EVERY grievance filed during the five years before she took the job, and lost 90% of those grievances at the labor board.  Their policy was that management was never wrong.  The loabor board disagreed 90% of the time.  She also discovered that the majority of division managers had NOT READ the union contract.  Lets face it, management is often not just stupid, but arrogant as well.  As grievance councilor on my campus I'm glad to ssay this is NOT the case where I work.  Both the Dean and the Pres know and respect the contract, and we usually manage to resolve disputes in ways that everyone can accept - lucky me.

I do hope Coke gets brought down on this one.

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But Race, employers do stupid things ALL the time.  A colleague of mine once worked as a human resources coordinator at a hospital.  They had rejected EVERY grievance filed during the five years before she took the job, and lost 90% of those grievances at the labor board.  Their policy was that management was never wrong.  The loabor board disagreed 90% of the time.  She also discovered that the majority of division managers had NOT READ the union contract.  Lets face it, management is often not just stupid, but arrogant as well.  As grievance councilor on my campus I'm glad to ssay this is NOT the case where I work.  Both the Dean and the Pres know and respect the contract, and we usually manage to resolve disputes in ways that everyone can accept - lucky me.

I do hope Coke gets brought down on this one.
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Yep, reality check.  Management can be stupid and arrogant, I'm fortunate I don't work for a company that fosters stupidity.  You have to wonder how some business have been able to stay active. :-/

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Yep, reality check.  Management can be stupid and arrogant, I'm fortunate I don't work for a company that fosters stupidity.  You have to wonder how some business have been able to stay active. :-/
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Lucky you (and me).  Most managers, if they actually study management techiques at all, are brought up on the funbdamental principles of what is called "Scientific Management", or as I call it "Taylorism" after Frederick W. Taylor.  The ultimate goal is to make work as mindless as possible so that anyone can do it regardless of skill, ie to seperate the work from the skill of the worker.  Its inhumane!

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But... what's that got to do with Coke?  (or Pepsi, for that matter)

Phil
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Well, "pah-ty pooh-pah", I love Coke, so I must share my joy regardless of the seriousness of the issue at hand.

And thus, I hardly post anymore. :P

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Join the club, HS.  I pop in, read one or two threads, and pop back out.  I'm tired of EVERYTHING being turned political, or certain people in here feeling that we need an education with each and every thread.  I's so sowwy, suh's, that's I be a ign'ant peon and be callin' yuh's by the wrong name, etc etc etc.

And it seems a lot of others ain't exactly happy with the way it's getting here, either.  

Oh, and yeah, there was QUITE the party at Books-A-Million last night!

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I for one am still new to this forum lark and would like to say that I'm very sorry you and Hairspray feel this way.

I think it's the nature of the threads we've been getting lately. There have been quite a few involved with links from news articles.

I hope that everyone can still retain a sense of humour despite the political disagreements that people have.

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Join the club, HS.  I pop in, read one or two threads, and pop back out.  I'm tired of EVERYTHING being turned political, or certain people in here feeling that we need an education with each and every thread.  I's so sowwy, suh's, that's I be a ign'ant peon and be callin' yuh's by the wrong name, etc etc etc.

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You're right, the political thing is getting a little old.  I have been avoiding certain threads because of it.  

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I think it's the nature of the threads we've been getting lately. There have been quite a few involved with links from news articles.End Quote

Bobby, ther have ALWAYS been threads linked to news articles.  That's one of the points of this 2000's board, to discuss current events!  The problem is there are a few here who want to then turn around and make EVERYTHING a political statement, and make their point that government is bad, corproations are ALL evil and out to get us all, and we are all mindless zombies slaving away for the greater glory of Empire.  It's old, it's tired, and I not only avoid threads that I can TELL are going to be poitical hotbeds, but also threads that certain people have posted in, just because I really don't care to even remotely be bothered by more of their drivel.

That leaves precious little to do nowadays.

But hey, I can just relax with my station instead.  You should check it out!  Follow the link in my sig!

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Since putting a golf ball sized piece of ground beef in a cup of pepsi and a cup of Coke...then the next morning finding about half left in the Coke and Nothing in the pepsi....I really don't drink much soda anymore ;)
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Join the club, HS.  I pop in, read one or two threads, and pop back out.  I'm tired of EVERYTHING being turned political, or certain people in here feeling that we need an education with each and every thread.  I's so sowwy, suh's, that's I be a ign'ant peon and be callin' yuh's by the wrong name, etc etc etc.

And it seems a lot of others ain't exactly happy with the way it's getting here, either.  

Oh, and yeah, there was QUITE the party at Books-A-Million last night!
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Just about everything on this thread IS political, even Harry Potter.  Therer was an article today in the magazine section discussing the mudbloods and house elves in connection wiht racism and slave styreotypes.  Its not in the on-line version so I can't provide a link, but it was interesting, and did not slam JKR.  If you only want to play, stay with the PPA or the games board.  I don't do politics there.

Further, on only one occasion did I imply that some one was "ign'ant", and never a "peon".  

As to feeling that some people "need an education" I do, and one of them is ME, which is why I read 2 or 3 books every week, and the news paper every day, and even why I read this section.  I'm willing to learn from anyone.

So I make no apologies.

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Bobby, ther have ALWAYS been threads linked to news articles.  That's one of the points of this 2000's board, to discuss current events!  The problem is there are a few here who want to then turn around and make EVERYTHING a political statement, and make their point that government is bad, corproations are ALL evil and out to get us all, and we are all mindless zombies slaving away for the greater glory of Empire.  It's old, it's tired, and I not only avoid threads that I can TELL are going to be poitical hotbeds, but also threads that certain people have posted in, just because I really don't care to even remotely be bothered by more of their drivel.

That leaves precious little to do nowadays.

But hey, I can just relax with my station instead.  You should check it out!  Follow the link in my sig!
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!.  I don't believe that "gov't is bad" but that some gov't policies are misguided.  I alway thought that voicing those opinions was not only a right, but a duty.  Actually its the conservatives who believe gov't is bad, and want to shrink it.

!!  Nor do I believe that "corporations are ALL evil".  I do believe that their interests and their behavior CAN sometimes be at odds with the social interest and the greater good, so they should be regulated.

!!!  Nor do I believe that "we are all mindless zombies...".  If I did, what would be the point of discussing anything?  You can't reason with a mindless zombie, nor air and debate differing opinions.

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Well, "pah-ty pooh-pah", I love Coke, so I must share my joy regardless of the seriousness of the issue at hand.

And thus, I hardly post anymore. :P
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Don't worry bout' it Spray. I enjoy going to all forums in here. ;D

Howard

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Don't worry bout' it Spray. I enjoy going to all forums in here. ;D

Howard
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Good for you, Howard.  :)

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Did I name names?
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No TV9, you did not, but the accusation has been made before, more directly by 80sRkd and others.  If my assumption was incorrect, please accept my apolgies.

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Well, "pah-ty pooh-pah", I love Coke, so I must share my joy regardless of the seriousness of the issue at hand.
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Likewise, I guess... I often feel I have to poke fun at seriousness but still try to get a serious point across.  Just because it's life or death for millions, doesn't mean it has to be dead serious, too ;-)

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:-(

Phil

PS Do you really think Coke is a great drink?

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PS Do you really think Coke is a great drink?
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I'll make it clear first that I do not work for the Coca-Cola company and I'm not a marketing guru of any sort.

I really do think Coca-Cola is a great drink. It's the best soda flavor I have ever experienced. The carbonation and consistency are just right for my taste buds; Unlike Pepsi, which seems less carbonated, a bit on the syrupy side and sweeter.

I'll also add Coca-Cola is a master of advertising. They, IMO, have always had the coolest ads and best slogans of any soda/pop/soft drink ever made.

I think that's all. :)

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I'll make it clear first that I do not work for the Coca-Cola company and I'm not a marketing guru of any sort.

I really do think Coca-Cola is a great drink. It's the best soda flavor I have ever experienced. The carbonation and consistency are just right for my taste buds; Unlike Pepsi, which seems less carbonated, a bit on the syrupy side and sweeter.

I'll also add Coca-Cola is a master of advertising. They, IMO, have always had the coolest ads and best slogans of any soda/pop/soft drink ever made.

I think that's all. :)
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Coke is better IMHO, just because it isn't pure syrup. "If ya wanted a bottle of sugar whydja order a soda pop?" ;D

Sorry but for me, Coke is it.  ;)
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Pepsi isn't a botle of sugar. And it is likely they have less caffeine than your boring drink. Sorry but for me, Pepsi is the Joy of Cola. ;)

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Touche'! Thank goodness we don't all like the same thing, what would the economy be without good ole capitalist competition? LOL

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I'll make it clear first that I do not work for the Coca-Cola company and I'm not a marketing guru of any sort.

I really do think Coca-Cola is a great drink. It's the best soda flavor I have ever experienced. The carbonation and consistency are just right for my taste buds; Unlike Pepsi, which seems less carbonated, a bit on the syrupy side and sweeter.

I'll also add Coca-Cola is a master of advertising. They, IMO, have always had the coolest ads and best slogans of any soda/pop/soft drink ever made.

I think that's all. :)
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Coke's the best!  Always yield to the Coca Cola and Frito-Lays trucks, because they have the supplies, the 2 things you can live on!

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...and rightfully so.  No?

Don Carlos, basically, what myself and many others have started doing is just avoiding most threads that you are invloved in, because its basically a given that by then, no matter what the topic is, you have made it a political rant.

Case and Point:  a week or so ago, I started a thread, lighthearted in nature, about a man who had been paying his sewage bill for decades only only to find out he had a septic tank.  Everyone had a good time with it, until you somehow turned that funny thread into your personal rant about Bush Sr. and more unrelated politics blah blah. ::)

Needless to say, nobody bothered to respond to you and the thread died.  

Chalk that one up to yet another thread hijacked by Don Carlos' political rants. ::)

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...and rightfully so.  No?

Don Carlos, basically, what myself and many others have started doing is just avoiding most threads that you are invloved in, because its basically a given that by then, no matter what the topic is, you have made it a political rant.
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Just have fun, that's what the boards are here for.

You may missing something funny from me if you start ignoring threads.  ;D

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...and rightfully so.  No?

Don Carlos, basically, what myself and many others have started doing is just avoiding most threads that you are invloved in, because its basically a given that by then, no matter what the topic is, you have made it a political rant.

Case and Point:  a week or so ago, I started a thread, lighthearted in nature, about a man who had been paying his sewage bill for decades only only to find out he had a septic tank.  Everyone had a good time with it, until you somehow turned that funny thread into your personal rant about Bush Sr. and more unrelated politics blah blah. ::)

Needless to say, nobody bothered to respond to you and the thread died.  

Chalk that one up to yet another thread hijacked by Don Carlos' political rants. ::)





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But 80's, when you turn a thread political, or respond to a political thread and get swamped with evidence, facts, argument, analysis (often from your side of the political spectrum) you just retreat into your hacknied "your politisizing another thread" argument.  I'd like to see you once state your position on an issue, and defend it with evidence and agrumentation.  So far, all I read from you is opinion and slam.

As to the above mentioned thread, as  read your post, you were calling the victim of bureaucratic ineptitude stupid for paying a bill he thought he owed.  Sorry, but your constant cowtowing to the powers that be is really getting tired.  Can't you once think for yourself?  You clearly have the intelligence to do so, so WHY DON'T YOU?  Stop just spouting the party line for a change.