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Subject: Crazy Americans
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I dont want to be rude here and spoil your "fun"...
but wasn't this war all about weapons of mass destruction? So why are all of you Americans suddenly buying that this war was about ousting Saddam? Because if the latter is the reason ("liberating a country" rather than safeguarding you, couch potatoes), you can as well go attack: Iran, Syria, Cuba, China, North Korea, Myanmar, Afghanistan (again), Libya, Nigeria, and Congo.
Have fun. You guys are being fed propoganda, it aint funny anymore!
t
Subject: Read my OWN reply
He, dont get nasty at me now, I am not attacking you people personally here, but I really, really dont get it how this whole WMD is COMPLETELY forgotten. Even in Europe it is forgotten too....amazing how people are buying that.
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
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???
I dont want to be rude here and spoil your "fun"...
but wasn't this war all about weapons of mass destruction? So why are all of you Americans suddenly buying that this war was about ousting Saddam? Because if the latter is the reason ("liberating a country" rather than safeguarding you, couch potatoes), you can as well go attack: Iran, Syria, Cuba, China, North Korea, Myanmar, Afghanistan (again), Libya, Nigeria, and Congo.
Have fun. You guys are being fed propoganda, it aint funny anymore!
t
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Thanks! :D
Subject: Re: Read my OWN reply
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???
I dont want to be rude here and spoil your "fun"...
but wasn't this war all about weapons of mass destruction? So why are all of you Americans suddenly buying that this war was about ousting Saddam? Because if the latter is the reason ("liberating a country" rather than safeguarding you, couch potatoes), you can as well go attack: Iran, Syria, Cuba, China, North Korea, Myanmar, Afghanistan (again), Libya, Nigeria, and Congo.
Have fun. You guys are being fed propoganda, it aint funny anymore!
t
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He, dont get nasty at me now, I am not attacking you people personally here, but I really, really dont get it how this whole WMD is COMPLETELY forgotten. Even in Europe it is forgotten too....amazing how people are buying that.
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in the words of Dennis Miller:
"Sorry protestors, but if my yawn got any bigger, they would have to assign it a hurricane name." ;)
Miss/Mr. whoever you are, nealry 80% of us approve of this war(as of last week), and sure a few, and I stress a very FEW (20%) still dissaprove for whatever reasons, but maybe someday you will see that this was a necessary action.
But if you enjoy seeing a nation oppressed under the thumb of a dictator named Saddam Hussein, than I guess thats your thing, and nothing I can say will change your way of thought. ;)
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
I was listening today to NPR, the were talking about the WMD, the Attorney General addressed it today. Yesterday I was reading the new Newsweek, they were talking of the search for WMD. I watch FOX and other news channels regulary, that subject addressed every day. Now I wasn't looking for that subject directly but can recollect that off the top of my head within seconds of reading your post of ignorance. Perhaps you should open a paper, newsmagazine, listen to the radio, or simply switch the TV to a newschannel.
If you were a registered poster, I would give you some respect, as it stands the gloves are off.
Care for round two?
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
Race Bannen -
Round 2 ;)
Anyway, thanks for your reply. Sorry I admit my post was rude, but I was carried away about the post from somebody else here saying how "cheerful" an "happy" iraqis are. I am an open-minded person, and trust me, I follow the war from all sides and sites.
About "liberating" iraq:
1) that is based on biased reporting (namely a picture in a newspaper does not stand for the whole community of iraqi people). Just as showing a kid with his arms blown off to show how horrific this war was doesn't either, and is ALSO biased reporting.
2) it is not relevant to the reason of going to war, however rude this might sound, whether or not the poeple from Iraq are joyfull or cheerfull or in pain or I dont know what: this war was waged because America (or I should say Bush, and even more precisely Bush his advisors Rumsfelt Cheney and co) felt it was under imminent threat from those alleged WMD.
I am already happy you listen to NPR, something most Americans do NOT (admit that Fox etc. is not really what you call objective).
Therefore, some interesting thoughts here, from BBC, to throw back the ball:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2957905.stmand better:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2949441.stm
Happy for round 3.
t
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
The liberation angel was one not sold by the Bush adminstration for the purpose of this war. This is a positive event because of the war and therefor makes the news. Funny how many liberals attacked the war as one leading to huge civilian losses, that didn't happen, many citizens celebrated the collapse of Saddam, so now the war is wrong cause not everyone is celebrating in Iraq?
Hans Blix wants to go back and look, the man was ineffectual bofore, why give it to hime again? I read both articles you provided and it is very clear that Hans doesn't approve of US action and only draws faults at our method. I say Hans should hit the unemployment office, France maybe hiring.
This is very important to point out that we are still finishing up the war, there has been very little time searching for something that is going to be very well hid in an large geographical area.
Side note- What was found? From Newsweek, most of Saddams household products and some military weapons had been manufactured from......(drumroll please).....
FRANCE! :o
That's right, some anti-aircraft guns that were models made after the ealier Persian Gulf war when trade sanctions had taken place.
Round 3, ya bet. Hope you don't mind eatin' through a straw.
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
:)
Race.
I completely concur that France was playing the naive role while hiding its true motives for opposing this. Just as the US was, by the way. And Russia was.
Again, this is NOT the point. The point is we americans want to get rid of Saddam so he can't use or sell his WMD to be used against us. That's the point, and thats the ONLY point. And yes, I am happy seing Iraq liberated, but then again, that's as you say, a nice side-effect. I do hope you concur with that.
So if these WMD are not found, then this war should not have waged. Irrespective of the fact that Iraq is liberated, since that does not apply. If the latter applies, then Bush should go attack Libya, Syria, Nigeria, and all the other zillion countries where a dictator is in power.
If they are found, your country did indeed have a case. Although to be consistent, you should still go and attack at least North Korea, since they have a crazy dictator and not alleged weapons of mass destruction, no, they openly parade their nukes all over.
you have to at least agre with part of what i am saying, just like i agree with part of what you are saying. I am not a green hippie-ish treehugger, far from it, I just want to see some consistency and serious backing here, and not have people being carried away by a couple of pictures showing how happy the iraqis are, since that is not relevant, how rude it may sound.
t
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
Quoting:So if these WMD are not found, then this war should not have waged. Irrespective of the fact that Iraq is liberated, since that does not apply. If the latter applies, then Bush should go attack Libya, Syria, Nigeria, and all the other zillion countries where a dictator is in power.End Quote
again, you are wrong.
Iraq was instructed to NOT possess the weapons over 12 years ago, Those other countries you mentioned were not. Saddam has been basically ignoring all the sanctions for the last 12 years at the expense of his citizens. And now, finally, the Iraqi's are free.
Quoting:If they are found, your country did indeed have a case. Although to be consistent, you should still go and attack at least North Korea, since they have a crazy dictator and not alleged weapons of mass destruction, no, they openly parade their nukes all over.End Quote
::)
Again, this is comparing apples to oranges.
NK is a TOTALLY different situation. As said here and by the Administration, different situation require different measures.
However, as of last week, NK was publically willing to talk and work things out diplomatically with the US and UN, unlike Saddam was ever willing to do.
Saddam had his chance, over and over again for a period of 12 years(13 yrs technically). And continually he chose to throw it away, again at the expence of his people.
We are dealing with a problem that would have had to have been dealt with at some point in time. If not now, then maybe 2, 5, 10 years from now, but our President chose to deal with it now instead of ignoring it (eh hum...like the previous adminstration did for 8 years ::))
Our children/grandchildren will thank the brave men and women over there right now for dealing with it now so they won't have to later. ;)
By the way, why not register your name.
Responsiblity for your statements is a heluva thing. ;)
Subject: Re: Read my OWN reply
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in the words of Dennis Miller:
"Sorry protestors, but if my yawn got any bigger, they would have to assign it a hurricane name." ;)
Miss/Mr. whoever you are, nealry 80% of us approve of this war(as of last week), and sure a few, and I stress a very FEW (20%) still dissaprove for whatever reasons, but maybe someday you will see that this was a necessary action.
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That is the 3rd or 4th time I've seen you throw out that "stat". If your going to quote polls, at least be accurate about it. That poll in no way said 80% of us "approve of this war". Polls are sooooo over used anyway. I can get a poll to say anything I want it to by manipulating the words or the group of persons polled in the first place.
Subject: Re: Read my OWN reply
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That is the 3rd or 4th time I've seen you throw out that "stat". If your going to quote polls, at least be accurate about it. That poll in no way said 80% of us "approve of this war". Polls are sooooo over used anyway. I can get a poll to say anything I want it to by manipulating the words or the group of persons polled in the first place.
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I didn't manipulate it in any way. This poll was taken last week by CNN/USA Today in conjunction with the "Presidential Job Approval Poll"(which btw was 69% job approval rate as of last week). :)
If you have a beef with the poll results, blame CNN/USA Today, don't shoot the messanger. ;)
Modified to add: btw, notice I said "nearly" 80%, because technically it was 78% (+/- 3 points). So technically you could actually say between 75%-81% approve, technically.
Technically speaking of course, if you want to get technical. :D
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
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The point is we americans want to get rid of Saddam so he can't use or sell his WMD to be used against us. End Quote
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If they are found, your country did indeed have a case. End Quote
Well, which is it... are you an American or aren't you? ::)
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
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Well, which is it... are you an American or aren't you? ::)
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Lurkmeister I'm glad you brought this up. I meant to last night and completely forgot about it.
But it did confuse me too. ???
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
I just want to make a quick comment on the polls being mentioned here.
People seem to use polls that say 80% of the people here support the war to justify it. Of course they do, it's an American poll! Are there any polls that show the opinions of the WORLD. I would like to see a poll that asks the Iraqi people whether or not they support the coalition forces coming into there country and blowing the Cr*p out of it for their freedom.
Again I would just like to say that this pro war anti war debate is not just Democrat vs Republican, there are 6 billion people on this planet and we all do not fall into those two particular American political parties.
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
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Again I would just like to say that this pro war anti war debate is not just Democrat vs Republican, there are 6 billion people on this planet and we all do not fall into those two particular American political parties.
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Yes you are right. I assumed that was understood.
PS- I like your picture, that guy is hilarious on South Park. :D
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
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. I would like to see a poll that asks the Iraqi people whether or not they support the coalition forces coming into there country and blowing the Cr*p out of it for their freedom.
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And killing fewer Muslims in the process than Saddam would have on a busy weekend.
Maybe the Molly Handwringers among us should give it some time... the war is just finishing and there's reports that the UN inspectors will return.
Subject: Re: Crazy Americans
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And killing fewer Muslims in the process than Saddam would have on a busy weekend.
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Saddam Proud He Still Killed More Iraqis Than US
;D