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Subject: What should we do about North Korea?
I've heard a lot discussion about Iraq, but none about North Korea, which is a much more dangerous country. They do have missile capabilities to reach California and they are pushing for nukes. It is estimated that a military confrontation with North Korea would result in millions of casualties on their side and hundreds of thousands on our side.
So...what do we do?
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
This is a conflict that we could potentially resolve without losing any American troops.
We put pressure on China.
We tell South Korea to be more proactive.
We let Japan throw down.
There, done.
And if North Korea tries anything, there won't be a North Korea anymore.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
Well put Rice.
Something else I've found interesting is how while we are pre-occupied with Iraq, it seems to me that NK would take this opportunity(if they are as dangerous as some insist they are), to make as much of an advancement with their nuclear program and propaganda as they can possibly muster.
However, it seems they have toned it way down since the war began. Maybe they suddenly realized who they are messing with and that they would be getting more than they bargained for if they tried to pull anything.
Just my observation.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
Russian is putting the some pressure on them too.
We did speak of NK a few months back, the differance is that NK is begging for talk, they are practically chatty Cathies. Iraq's Saddam was not so forthcoming. If they are chatty that means they are negotiating before negotiating begins.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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Maybe they suddenly realized who they are messing with and that they would be getting more than they bargained for if they tried to pull anything.
Just my observation.
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Yeah he's probably right :)
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
The US probably won't do anything about NK because they DO have nukes and will put up more of a fight than Iraq did. I think the US will only go after nations that are much, much weaker.
Cat
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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The US probably won't do anything about NK because they DO have nukes and will put up more of a fight than Iraq did. I think the US will only go after nations that are much, much weaker.
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Cat, please read Rice Cube's post above. The USA isn't doing anything about NK because they don't want to, they're not doing anything because they don't have to.
However, in the meantime the Americans have bombers in Guam, and probably troops in South Korea and Japan. Plus we have a truckload more nukes than they do, and so does China and Russia. Kim Jong Il is crazy, but he sure isn't stupid.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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The US probably won't do anything about NK because they DO have nukes and will put up more of a fight than Iraq did. I think the US will only go after nations that are much, much weaker.
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Um, yea. ::)
Get real.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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Cat, please read Rice Cube's post above. The USA isn't doing anything about NK because they don't want to, they're not doing anything because they don't have to.
However, in the meantime the Americans have bombers in Guam, and probably troops in South Korea and Japan. Plus we have a truckload more nukes than they do, and so does China and Russia. Kim Jong Il is crazy, but he sure isn't stupid.
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There was a "Front Line" program on PBS last night about this very issue, and both the liberals and conservatives they interviewed disagreed with most of what was said above. I know very little about NK, but the gist of the arguments, as best as I can recall, is that NK IS a VERY serious threat. China will not reign them in, but could very well defend them, and both Japan and SK, not to mention the other SE Asian nations are "passing" bricks. They are all, it seems, very disturbed by Bush's reversal of the policies pursued by the administrations, both republican and democrat through Clinton. The only folks who supported the current policy are on the admin payroll, everyone else is very concerned.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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Um, yea. ::)
Get real.
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Why do you have to be so condescending? Can't you ever be civil?
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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written to Cat
Why do you have to be so condescending? Can't you ever be civil?
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Anyway...back to the topic, regarding my reason for responding to Cat's post: I considered her post to be ridiculously irrisponsible and yes, condescending too, to say that America only takes on the weak countries.
Yea, you hate the govt and you hate the military. We get it already. ::)
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
Iraq had a crappy army that was only capable of harassing civilians. Iraq is not the most pressing security risk to the United States. The United States goes to war with Iraq and leaves the bigger fish alone. I don't see how you're disproving Cat's point.
You just wave her off like she was a child. "You hate the military, why don't you just stay out of this one, you obviously have no clue how the world works." I think you're a condenscending poison-spitting goose-stepping neo-fascist Rush parrot. There, I've shown you the same consideration you've shown everyone else on this site who disagrees with you.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
Thanks DC and No One but I expected nothing less (or more).
Cat
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
I take all PBS programs with a grain of salt. Well...except for maybe Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood :)
Anyway...multilateral talks anyone?
http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=north_korea
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
Becasue N. Korea does have Nukes and is a bigger threat than it is necessary to deal with them in a different way.
Just as if a local thug is scrambleing to get a weapon he doens't have the local cop is going to use as much force as possible to make sure he doenst have posession of it.
Now if that thug has the weapon, the cop needs to change tatics very quickly. 1st step is to remove perception of immediate threat to the thug, start negotiating and call in back-up.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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Becasue N. Korea does have Nukes and is a bigger threat than it is necessary to deal with them in a different way.
Just as if a local thug is scrambleing to get a weapon he doens't have the local cop is going to use as much force as possible to make sure he doenst have posession of it.
Now if that thug has the weapon, the cop needs to change tatics very quickly. 1st step is to remove perception of immediate threat to the thug, start negotiating and call in back-up.
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very well said Race. ;)
Different jobs call for different measures.
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Iraq had a crappy army that was only capable of harassing civilians. Iraq is not the most pressing security risk to the United States. The United States goes to war with Iraq and leaves the bigger fish alone. I don't see how you're disproving Cat's point.
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please see Race Bannon's previous post. He exaplined it best so far.
Quoting:I think you're a condenscending poison-spitting goose-stepping neo-fascist Rush parrot. End Quote
ouch. I guess I have been called worse though. :)
PS-, as has been said here many times before, not all us "right-wing cooks" listen to Rush. ;)
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
Thanks 80s Rocked. :)
I think it's important to note that fighting smart is not fighting with cowardice.
Frequently the loss of life to both sides is used for argument against this war, if we are to pursue N Korea those numbers have just increased a thousandfold and of course greater direct risk to the US civilian population. Because we have liberated Iraq for reasons (right or wrong-your choice), please do not condemn for us not following the same technique with N. Korea.
I will say this now, if the Bush Admin undertakes the same strategy for N. Korea, then I will be the 1st to question that campaign.
Subject: Re: What should we do about North Korea?
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I will say this now, if the Bush Admin undertakes the same strategy for N. Korea, then I will be the 1st to question that campaign.
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As I think anyone would, and probably should.
NK is an entirely different campign than Iraq, and therefore would require an entirely different strategy.