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I'm a registered Republican but I vote however I please.  I hate how they solicit me with phone calls and junk mail during election years.

I would consider myself moderately conservative.  I support the death penalty, but I also support a person's right to choose (i.e. sexual orientation, marriage, assisted suicide, abortions, etc. etc.).  I am anti-affirmative action, anti-illegal immigration (especially since I did it the right way ::)), but pro-environment, to an extent.

What does that make me?  Well, I really don't know :)
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An American  :)

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An American  :)
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Darn, I love this country ;D

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An American  :)
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Darn, I love this country ;D

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I'm opposed to the death penalty, but I'm also anti-abortion.
I'm strongly opposed to gun proliferation, and if that means prying a gun from anyone's cold dead fingers I'd be more than happy to oblige them.
I voted for Paul Wellstone in 1990, but I would have voted for Republican Norm Coleman in 2002 if Walter Mondale hadn't entered the race.
I voted for Bob Dole in 1996.  I sat out the 2000 election.
Having lived through one unpopular, divisive war I'm not inclined to wholeheartedly support our current war on the Axis of Evil.  I haven't heard answers to any simple questions: What are our war aims?  When do we know the war is over?  
I guess I'm your typical tree-hugging liberal... http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool014.gif
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When you prying that weapon out of my cold, dead hands be sure to keep the gun pointed down and away, then release the clip and empty the chamber.  Safey 1st!  ;D
I like what people are saying here, there is no die hards either side.  People are basing there stance on values and not partisan. Makes much more sence.

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You're a considerate man, Race.  Hell of a speller, though.  Are you getting the impression that the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are a little inadequate?
Good thread idea, by the way...http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool030.gif

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You're a considerate man, Race.  Hell of a speller, though.  Are you getting the impression that the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are a little inadequate?
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People are all over the spectrum, Steve.  That's why it's a good idea to get more parties involved so the politicians actually have to start giving a crap about the little man.  Sure it'll make Congress even more complicated, but it could be fun to watch ;)

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You're a considerate man, Race.  Hell of a speller, though.  Are you getting the impression that the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are a little inadequate?
Good thread idea, by the way...http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool030.gif
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I am a conservative and a former member of the Republican party. I stopped paying dues when they continued to hound me for money all the time. I want lower taxes, smaller government and an end to career politicians. Yeah, like that is going to happen!  ::)
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Oy! I used to volunteer for the Orange County Republican Party, but I tired of the people there really quick. I joined because I like the philosophy of smaller govt., term limits, lower taxes, free enterprise and tariffs on foreign goods, an end to welfare and pork barrel spending, et cetera, but all these people concentrated on was on being anti-immigrant, anti-choice, anti-legalization of drugs, pro-guns, pro-school prayer, and pro-"family values"... They quickly alienated the hell out of me.

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Oy! I used to volunteer for the Orange County Republican Party, but I tired of the people there really quick. I joined because I like the philosophy of smaller govt., term limits, lower taxes, free enterprise and tariffs on foreign goods, an end to welfare and pork barrel spending, et cetera, but all these people concentrated on was on being anti-immigrant, anti-choice, anti-legalization of drugs, pro-guns, pro-school prayer, and pro-"family values"... They quickly alienated the hell out of me.
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That's the problem with having only two parties. I don't necessarily feel a total kinship with the Republican party, but I feel much more in step with them than I do with the Democrats. Pork barrel spending happens on both sides, and members of both parties are mainly concerned with getting re-elected. I have actually voted for some third party candidates, but I don't see them making much of an impact any time soon.

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I am neither Republican or Democrat.  I am registered as not affiliated.  I consider myself Conservative, though.  I vote my conscience.  I did vote for Clinton in 96 then was sorely disappointed in him.  I am Pro-life (for religious reasons) and I believe in the right to keep and bear arms.  I am also for lower taxes and smaller government.  Neither party seems to want that.  I did like the tax rebate President Bush gave me, though.
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I was trying to think of a way to describe myself and I guess I fall in there too. Not really one or the other. I am Pro Life for similar reasons, but I do support the death penalty. I support the right to bear arms to a point...and I do like the idea of lower taxes and a smaller government, and I do not have faith in politicians. I am registered Republican but there are many liberal ideals that I value as well. I like honoring our flag and what it represents, but I also like to honor anothers choice of how they honor the flag, or don't. I like what Dagwood says..I vote my conscience.

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I am neither Republican or Democrat.  I am registered as not affiliated.  I consider myself Conservative, though.  I vote my conscience.  I did vote for Clinton in 96 then was sorely disappointed in him.  I am Pro-life (for religious reasons) and I believe in the right to keep and bear arms.  I am also for lower taxes and smaller government.  Neither party seems to want that.  I did like the tax rebate President Bush gave me, though.
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I like what you said dagwood, and I too am Pro-Life, Not Pro-Death

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Being quite old, I have been at both ends of the spectrum, and can understand both viewpoints...
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I heard John McCain recite a great quote that has stuck with me for years, your statement reminded me of it:

"If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no heart.  If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brain"

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Big, big big big mistake.  Now I'm not against all immigration, don't get me wrong.  However, the problem with our "immigration policy", is we basically have none.  Our borders are much to open, for anyone to waltz in and hide under the radar for years.  If you come here illegally, you are not welcome.  

But if you're a legal immigrant, like many are, then welcome to America.  I have no problem with legal immigration.  

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But if you're a legal immigrant, like many are, then welcome to America.  I have no problem with legal immigration.  
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Thanks man :D  I'd like to think I got here the right way...of course, some people would rather wade across the Rio Grande instead of take the five-plus years of getting a Green Card/background checks etc. and taking a less-than-challenging test of your knowledge of the US of A.  And seriously, who wants to sing the National Anthem with a thousand other happy LEGAL immigrants along with a Superior Court Justice?  Imagine the nerve ;)

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Being quite old, I have been at both ends of the spectrum, and can understand both viewpoints...

When I was young I was an extreme liberal. I spent the 70s wishing I had been a teen in the 60s. I was all for peace and love, stop the war, save the planet. I marched at Kent State in 1978 to protest the building of the gym on the commons where the students had been killed in 1970.

Looking back, however; I believe that a lot of what went on in the sixties was a product of well-off, over-indulged young people with too much time on their hands. That is not to say that views held by many were not sincere and heart-felt, but I think a lot of pretentiousness crept in there... And I can recognize now that much of the free love, turn on-tune in-drop out mentality of my adopted generation was very damaging to later American society and culture.

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Well, Zell, as someone a bit older than you I remember those times, too.  
Those were turbulent times.  The assassinations of John and Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King.  A divisive and protracted war.  Rosa Parks, Medgar Evans, Bull Connors... Cassius Clay and Muhammad Ali... Hanoi Jane... Woodstock and Altamont... Attica... Watergate...

If you have stayed a little liberal I'll forgive you.  Conservatives are the guardians of our dearest traditions; liberals are the angels of change.  Without liberals we run the risk of losing our heart.  Without conservatives we risk losing our souls.

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man over there with a gun
Telling me, I got to beware...



 

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Hey, thanks for the unwelcome :) :D ;D I came here illegally... not kidding 8) And there is nothing you and your ilk can do about it :-*
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Ah, TB... there you go pushing those buttons again.  ::)

But hey, at least you know the language!  ;D

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Hey, thanks for the unwelcome :) :D ;D I came here illegally... not kidding 8) And there is nothing you and your ilk can do about it :-*
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The FBI is gonna get you now, but don't trip...the ACLU has your back ;) ;D

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Hey, thanks for the unwelcome :) :D ;D I came here illegally... not kidding 8) And there is nothing you and your ilk can do about it :-*
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Your'e a tough boy I guess. If it was up to me and millions of real Americans you'd be gone son. Maybe someday!

Tim
RATT-n-ROLL

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P.S. Close the borders. My family came in through Ellis Island. So should yours. Put the military to good use and have them patrol the borders. You would think after Sept. 11 our pin head officials would grow up, stop fighting like little kids and get the border situation fixed. But no, Bush gives amnesty to 3 million illegal mexicans. What a joke!

Tim
RATT-n-ROLL
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P.S. Close the borders. My family came in through Ellis Island. So should yours. Put the military to good use and have them patrol the borders. You would think after Sept. 11 our pin head officials would grow up, stop fighting like little kids and get the border situation fixed. But no, Bush gives amnesty to 3 million illegal mexicans. What a joke!

Tim
RATT-n-ROLL
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Close the borders??? What America are you living in? America was built by immigrants...hello? As for being a Real American...well, I guess since I have Native American ancestry then I count as a "real American"? I also descend from Irish and English..so maybe I am less American for that?  I don't think that the pilgrims who came here in the 1600's dropped by Ellis to register..This is silly. Yes we were attacked by terrorists, but I  for one do not want our country to become a fascist community that does not allow other people opportunity to better their lot in life because of it. That is why terrorist attacked us because we are The Land of The Free. Have you ever stopped to wonder why people are trying to get to this country, by legal or illegal means? After you have taken a tour of the poorest ghettos in Mexico and other countries and see how their children and families suffer, then come back here with *reasons* on why we should be less merciful and compassionate. I am not trying to attack anyone for their beliefs but don't post with the assumption that you are speaking for all "Americans"...

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Close the borders??? What America are you living in? America was built by immigrants...hello? As for being a Real American...well, I guess since I have Native American ancestry then I count as a "real American"? I also descend from Irish and English..so maybe I am less American for that?  I don't think that the pilgrims who came here in the 1600's dropped by Ellis to register..This is silly. Yes we were attacked by terrorists, but I  for one do not want our country to become a fascist community that does not allow other people opportunity to better their lot in life because of it. That is why terrorist attacked us because we are The Land of The Free. Have you ever stopped to wonder why people are trying to get to this country, by legal or illegal means? After you have taken a tour of the poorest ghettos in Mexico and other countries and see how their children and families suffer, then come back here with *reasons* on why we should be less merciful and compassionate. I am not trying to attack anyone for their beliefs but don't post with the assumption that you are speaking for all "Americans"...


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Gotta love that old saying....


If you're under 30 and not a liberal, then you have no heart

If you're over 30 and not conservative, then you have no brain.
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I don't feel this is a liberal stance, I feel it's more in the spirit of the US and the melting pot it claims to be.  I also think it's providing the labor needed for many of the jobs anglos can't seem to do any longer.

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I agree Race. It has nothing to do with "liberal" or "conservative" it is about being human, and recognizing another human's need.Yes, people should enter the country legally. But when someone insinuates we should be guarding our borders with *weapons* and *intent* of killing anyone who may not be a legal citizen ...come on. Isn't this a bit extreme?  ::) And, by the way, I have never claimed to be "liberal" or "conservative". Nor do I have all the answers... ;D

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Maybe if you liken the problem to your own home.  Homeless  come to your door and wanna move in because of cold and hunger.  So you let in a few (I bet you don't even do that, but let's say you practiced what you preach and were THAT much of a humanist).

Anyway, you share your food and even give them an allowance out of your own income (welfare)  Meanwhile, the word gets around about your generosity, more and more poor and downtrodden move in, all the costs go up, groceries, utilities
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Isn't it the place of government to do what the individual can not do? What kind of government do you want, the kind which wants all people to reach their potential and offer something to the world, or the kind which dies with the most toys?

BTW, what is a downtrodden?

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Isn't it the place of government to do what the individual can not do? What kind of government do you want, the kind which wants all people to reach their potential and offer something to the world, or the kind which dies with the most toys?

BTW, what is a downtrodden?
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downtrodden - means oppressed,tyrannized.

A government's responsibility - first and foremost - is for the welfare of the citizens of the country who voted them into power -  the ones who pay their salaries and grant them, through taxation, a multi-billion dollar budget to make rules for the good of their citizens and enforce them.

Who said anything about dying with the most toys?  There are hundreds of thousands of homeless citizens in the US, millions of unemployed citizens in the U.S., yet government continues to allow immigration - many of whom go directly into the welfare system.

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Nicey, nice feelings all around....too bad the world doesn't work like that.  Should it?  In a perfect world, yes.  But with the real world and real world problems, real world solutions are needed.

Maybe if you liken the problem to your own home.  Homeless  come to your door and wanna move in because of cold and hunger.  So you let in a few (I bet you don't even do that, but let's say you practiced what you preach and were THAT much of a humanist).

Anyway, you share your food and even give them an allowance out of your own income (welfare)  Meanwhile, the word gets around about your generosity, more and more poor and downtrodden move in, all the costs go up, groceries, utilities - until you get to a point of realization where you decide to only let homeless come to visit and eat for 24 hours, but they ignore you and the population in your home keeps increasing, so you get serious, and make and post "official rules" regarding time of stay in your home, and give them a "24-hour pass" to enter your home, but they ignore your rules and hide in the closets when it's time to leave - just sneaking around when you're at work or in other rooms to get food and money.

Now, your original family is not getting enough food and starts to become unhealthy, crime starts in the more populated rooms in the house as people start fighting to get the food and the clothing - which kept 4 - even 8 people happy, but now that theres 20 - just won't go around.

So, what do you do?  What WOULD you do?  No matter how complicated the issue of immigration seems to be, it comes down to a really simple scenario just like this one.  

In my house, I would bolt the doors, post a warning, kick everyone out who had outstayed their passes, and enforce that warning with violence if necessary.  And, I wouldn't do it because I'm mean and uncaring, but because I'm smart enough to know that too large a number cannot live and remain healthy within the economy that my home has to offer.

Simplicity and clarity of thought - that's where you find the solutions to most problems.  Searching your heart solves nothing.
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Ayhab, you and I are not going to agree on this point, and that is fine. That is what makes this country great, it's diversity. As I said in my last post I do not have all the answers. And no, the world is not a "nicey nice" place. Having been one of the "downtrodden" that you sneer at I can vouch for that firsthand. But...that doesn't mean I am going to let my compassion die. If there is a starving child out there I want to feed it. The child can't be blamed for where it was born or what it's parents politics might be. If there is an adult with a family out there that wants to better their opportunities in life I want to help. As for homeless...well.. let's just say I know a WHOLE lot more about it than (apparently) you do. And I don't have to tell you about that or defend myself further. My viewpoint is simple, if we do allow different people to come to our country, and work and better themselves, we all become stronger. I didn't say anything about welfare. You did. If a person can come to this country and find a place to live and a job to do welfare is not an issue. You obviously have your viewpoint as well, and every right to it. This issue is senstive and complex and cannot be answered easily, or by going at it with a militant stance.

Edited because my last comment was more like an attack than a comment. My apologies.

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I believe the world can be a nice place. We all have to want it to be nice for it to work.

My main fear is America will eventually become like India, where political interest rules and government becomes increasingly currupt. There is a reason incumbets will with an amazingly high rate. That reason is money. If we keep counting who has what and how much, we will lose the main point of what America is-- a great country with endless oppertunity.

One other note for the guy who wrote that most immagrents go onto welfare. How do they do that? Don't you need a social security card or something with a valid number? I think most of the immigrants come here to work and provide education for their children. They are no threat to me, not like the terrorists who drove planes into buildings.

One more thing, if you want to keep America strong then keep the unions strong. They provide the high paying jobs which support families.

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Nicey, nice feelings all around....too bad the world doesn't work like that.  Should it?  In a perfect world, yes.  But with the real world and real world problems, real world solutions are needed.

Maybe if you liken the problem to your own home.  Homeless  come to your door and wanna move in because of cold and hunger.  So you let in a few (I bet you don't even do that, but let's say you practiced what you preach and were THAT much of a humanist).

Anyway, you share your food and even give them an allowance out of your own income (welfare)  Meanwhile, the word gets around about your generosity, more and more poor and downtrodden move in, all the costs go up, groceries, utilities - until you get to a point of realization where you decide to only let homeless come to visit and eat for 24 hours, but they ignore you and the population in your home keeps increasing, so you get serious, and make and post "official rules" regarding time of stay in your home, and give them a "24-hour pass" to enter your home, but they ignore your rules and hide in the closets when it's time to leave - just sneaking around when you're at work or in other rooms to get food and money.

Now, your original family is not getting enough food and starts to become unhealthy, crime starts in the more populated rooms in the house as people start fighting to get the food and the clothing - which kept 4 - even 8 people happy, but now that theres 20 - just won't go around.

So, what do you do?  What WOULD you do?  No matter how complicated the issue of immigration seems to be, it comes down to a really simple scenario just like this one.  

In my house, I would bolt the doors, post a warning, kick everyone out who had outstayed their passes, and enforce that warning with violence if necessary.  And, I wouldn't do it because I'm mean and uncaring, but because I'm smart enough to know that too large a number cannot live and remain healthy within the economy that my home has to offer.

Simplicity and clarity of thought - that's where you find the solutions to most problems.  Searching your heart solves nothing.
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We do have a message posted at our nation's door:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door

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lol, ya just can't argue practicality and reality without being accused of sneering at the poor and being a militant.

But, as a relatively new guy on the board, I'll refrain from fighting about it.
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Please don't refrain from posting how you feel because of anything I said. I apologize if I came off angry or attacked you personally. That is not what this board is for. You will not get criticism from me any further. Again, my apologies.

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Wait a minute... this topic was supposed to be about our political leanings, not just about immigration.


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Yah your right.  It was supose to be voice your oppinion and leave it be. I knew it was going to turn into an Immigration thread (Like always). After all Immigration one step away from the Mexican American war (We don't want to bring up that again, do we?).  ;)

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I was aaaalmost getting there when I realized that. It's called "Vuja De" and was explained by Scorpian a while ago :) :D ;D

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It is kind of a Nice change of pace to have some "Vuja De" that doesn't involve Madonna.  :)

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It is kind of a Nice change of pace to have some "Vuja De" that doesn't involve Madonna.  :)
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I'm telling...you said the "M" word. :o ;) ;D

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How about a productive suggestion.  Why do liberals never have any of those?
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I think democrats have some good suggestions. One such thing I would like to see is colleges be free to anyone with decent grades. Why? Because if the avarage college grad makes 2 to 3 times as much as a high school grad, then we will get back more money in taxes from the difference between pay rates than what was spent opening the schools. I believe in after school programs for k-12. We have too many problems in the inner city, and we need stronger role modles. Teachers can be this outside of the classroom. Not to mention this would keep kids off the streets, force them to open a book, and let the parents of yournger children work later hours rather than leaving the kid at home unsupervised.

Other ideas? In regards to immigration, why don't we build up their countries so they would not want to immigrate here. Open up enough slots in our universities for foriegn students, and then make sure they leave and go home when they are done so they can benifit their own people. Help these countries build hospitals and schools, and teach them how to better farm and irrigate.

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There ya go, there are some suggestions.

Free college - paid from my taxes
Afterschool programs - paid from my taxes
More foreign aid - paid from my taxes
Low-cost education for foreign students - paid from my taxes
Build infrastructure in foreign countries - paid from my taxes
Send consultants to educate the farmers and engineers/equipment/supplies to build irrigation - paid from my taxes.

HMMM.... lets recap

Free school, free afterschool programs, free aid, free education, free or low cost housing....sounds familiar

Let's just put the whole world on US welfare.. ;D

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I do not think you got the crux of what I said.

First, lets start with free colleges funded by the state. I do not have the stats right in front of me, but I can get them if you deman. If a state public school would be 9,000 a year, and the avarage student goes to college for 4 years, then the cost would be $36,000 paid by our taxes to educate someone through undergraduate college. If the avarage college graduate gets 2.5 times as much money over the course of a lifetime compared with a high school graduate (this is a lower estimate, as i think the stats are closer to 3 times as much over the course of a lifetime), then the differance in money made over 30 years would be $748,000 for a high school graduate making 12 an hour avarage versus $1,872,000 dollars for the college grad =  $1,124,000 difference in money made between the highschool grad and the college grad. Even if you tax that differenct at 20% you would have $224,000 returned for an investment of $36,000 (the college grad would probably be taxed at the higher 25% bracket for a bigger return). The government and its taxpayers would make just under $190,000 for this investment, not to mention the person who recieved the free college money would have a better standard of living. What would I do with this extra $190,000 made? I would LOWER YOUR TAXES as we would have extra revenue generated.

So your first assumption that you would get taxed more is wrong, as in the long run you would get taxed less.

Second argument for after school programs. If it takes $30,000 to house a prisioner per year in a jail, then the cost of two students per year saved would pay for a program such as this per school per year. That means if you have a high school of 2000 students, saving 2 of them from going down the path of a criminal life would pay for an after school program. My question to you is, how many of them would you expect to go to jail the way things are right now.

Plus, there is a second part to the after school program arguement. It is morally unacceptable to alow children to be neglected. If the parents can not take adequate care of them, then the schools must do more. Why do we have this responsibility? Because I do not want to get shot by some kid 10 years from now because he is trying to feed his drug habbit. It takes next to nothing early on to help change the course of a life. It takes a little interest, a little positive direction, and a little caring to help young children lead positive lives.

I honestly think that everything I suggested would LOWER your taxes over the course of a few years. My suggestions are no different than a factory which may invest a million dollars on a new machine, and then reap the profits from it for years to come. If you look to the buisness world as an example, you would find the buisnesses which grow are the ones which re-invest in itself.

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Okay, I'll bite. Illegal immigration is a major problem you're all currently facing. What is it that you propose you should all do in order to curb this problem? Better yet, what actions are you taking to solve your problem? Let's turn this phrase back to you:


Yeah, just like I said, you're opinion is worthless and weak when it comes to coming up with any viable solutions to this burgeoning problem... so far. I am sure you can quote some politico on this and offer it as a solution, but it's not going to change a darn thing. After a while it all sounds like a bunch of quacking. Keep making noise 8)
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Hey Tarzan Boy, ayhab has a right to his opinion. I can understand why he feels the way he does. Nobody likes getting a paycheck and seeing so much of it gone to taxes. I hate that too, especially when it gets pork barreled. My whole point is that if we all understand that we want the same things, we can work together to get them. Everyone wants the good life- to have enough money not to worry about car or house payments, to be able to educate their children and to feel safe. We all want the extra time to enjoy our hobbies and live life to the fullest. If we start with an understanding that we all share these common wants, we can get together to work out the details of how we all get it.

In my above post, I had some ideas which could help us get there. I think that kind of idea exchange is good, as we can test each others ideas to see which ones have the best chance of working.

Anyways, if this is going to turn into a bashing session then I will end talking about it. I do not want to see anyone get their feelings hurt or have people critisized. It just is not worth it.

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Yeah, well, it's nice to be nicey nice sometimes.  Unfortunately for your argument, the world does work like that.  One of my favorite knee-jerk liberals, Ronald Reagan, was fond of referring to America as "the City on the hill."  We are a nation of ideals, whether you wish it or not.  We tend to have a mean habit of basing some of our actions on our ideals.

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Maybe if you liken the problem to your own home.  Homeless  come to your door and wanna move in because of cold and hunger.  So you let in a few (I bet you don't even do that, but let's say you practiced what you preach and were THAT much of a humanist).End Quote

Is this the home where pop has been spending half the money on his gun collection?  Is this the family where my cousins are acting as armed guards in other people's house, making sure our lights stay on and our gas tank stays full?

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I told you we should have thrown that welcome mat out years ago.

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Americans aren't getting enough food?  Sheesh, most of us are waddling around like bloated deer ticks as it is.  But never mind.  

Quoting:So, what do you do?  What WOULD you do?  No matter how complicated the issue of immigration seems to be, it comes down to a really simple scenario just like this one.  End Quote

Ummmm... blame the immigrants for crime, poverty and obesity ???  ;D

Quoting:In my house, I would bolt the doors, post a warning, kick everyone out who had outstayed their passes, and enforce that warning with violence if necessary.  And, I wouldn't do it because I'm mean and uncaring, but because I'm smart enough to know that too large a number cannot live and remain healthy within the economy that my home has to offer.End Quote

But... at one point "your" home had all of three million people.  Somehow it found the ability to absorb more.  

Quoting:Simplicity and clarity of thought - that's where you find the solutions to most problems.  Searching your heart solves nothing.
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What's the difference between simplistic and simplicity?