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i think that they should have chosen a differant name for that film out of respect of sept 11!!!!!!!
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The book was called "The Two Towers" looooooooooooooong before 9/11.  They're not going to change the title just because some people are uppity.

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i think that they should have chosen a differant name for that film out of respect of sept 11!!!!!!!
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Maybe you should write to the estate of JRR Tolkien and suggest that they change the name of the book, as well.

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The book was called "The Two Towers" looooooooooooooong before 9/11.  They're not going to change the title just because some people are uppity.
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and actually, I always heard WTC One and WTC Two referred to as "The Twin Towers"... unfortunately we are going to run into some things referenced in a way that will remind us all of that dreadful day... it is just a fact of life. Now I never made a connection between Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers, and The World Trade Center Two Towers, but that is just my opinion.

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If 'tis anything like the first movie, Hobbit Nation hopes that this one will win the Golden Dude :)  
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Is winning a "Golden Dude" some kind of hip replacement?

TTT seems to be bigger, darker, scarier and on a much bigger scale than FOTR - just like the book.  Though I hope the film doesn't end "Frodo was alive - but taken by the enemy" (and leave you having to read hundreds of pages before you get back to Frodo and Sam).

Philbo Baggins.  A hobbit and proud of it ;-)

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TTT seems to be bigger, darker, scarier and on a much bigger scale than FOTR - just like the book.  Though I hope the film doesn't end "Frodo was alive - but taken by the enemy" (and leave you having to read hundreds of pages before you get back to Frodo and Sam).
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It sounds good
Personally I preferred the non-Frodo parts of the book.
Frodo's journey is the classic hero's quest which I thnk drags on a bit, I much prefer the politics and battles of the other characters.

Tao

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Is winning a "Golden Dude" some kind of hip replacement?

TTT seems to be bigger, darker, scarier and on a much bigger scale than FOTR - just like the book.  Though I hope the film doesn't end "Frodo was alive - but taken by the enemy" (and leave you having to read hundreds of pages before you get back to Frodo and Sam).

Philbo Baggins.  A hobbit and proud of it ;-)
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The first film was robbed of an Oscar last year :)  The Two Towers actually is a cooler book than the first because of all the characters that are introduced, like the Ents ("Hoom!") and the Rohans.  I suppose there's also a lot more character development now that everyone is separated and you are able to focus on one group at a time.  I think the movie is supposed to be more seamless, though...and I think they're going to move the last part with the giant spider into the third movie.

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i think that they should have chosen a differant name for that film out of respect of sept 11!!!!!!!
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And I think they should change the emergency number 911 to something else out of respect for Sept. 11!

And I think in math, we shouldn't use the term pentagon anymore, it should be 5-side-agon or something, out of respect for Sept. 11!


Now come on, these books ahve been around for DECADES, and the title should not be changed out of "respect" for Sept 11.  This sensitivity crap is really going too far, especially when I read that people are protesting this movie because of a title that was given to it before those terrorists were even born...

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i think that they should have chosen a differant name for that film out of respect of sept 11!!!!!!!
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Please get over with this PC crap.

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Please get over with this PC crap.
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Well said, well said.

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The first film was robbed of an Oscar last year :)  The Two Towers actually is a cooler book than the first because of all the characters that are introduced, like the Ents ("Hoom!") and the Rohans.  I suppose there's also a lot more character development now that everyone is separated and you are able to focus on one group at a time.  I think the movie is supposed to be more seamless, though...and I think they're going to move the last part with the giant spider into the third movie.
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Actually the film ends just after the Battle at Helm's Deep. Because the third book is so short, a lot of the story from the second will be used in the third film. And in the movie, the Ents don't go "HOOM!". They don't really do much at all, except right at the end, but what they do is waaayyy cool!

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I love Gollum. He's so cute. (SPOILER maybe) --- It's a pity what someone told me happens in the third movie w/him. :(
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You should hold back from reading ROTK because the third movie is going to suck up a bunch of the end of TTT to fill it up...the third book was way short and was basically the end of the chase :)

As for Gollum...he served his purpose, and now I'm stuck saying "Tricksy hobbitses" all the time ::)

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You should hold back from reading ROTK because the third movie is going to suck up a bunch of the end of TTT to fill it up...the third book was way short and was basically the end of the chase :)

As for Gollum...he served his purpose, and now I'm stuck saying "Tricksy hobbitses" all the time ::)
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I know what you mean. I haven't seen TT yet (plan to soon) but every time I read that book...I end up saying "Oh, yes, precious." or "Hoom, hmmm", the word hasty is becomes an often used one and of course, the already popular "Tricksy hobbitses"... ;D Of course, my brother and I Tolkien-talk all the time when we get together. Drives everyone crazy..hmmm..hoomm..can't imagine why.... ;)

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I finally saw it yesterday and I have to say much as I enjoyed it I prefer the first film ! I am going to go again as I have been told by a couple of people they thought it was better watched the second time around.
I read before hand that to get the noise of an army of that size going into battle the producer stood with 8 microphones in the middle of the pitch at a football game and sure enough if you listen you can hear chants being sung as well as a general roar.
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IMO, book 2 is not as good as One or Three, because other than meeting ents, and Gollum, it is mostly just running 'round, gathering forces and skirmishes Tolkien also splits the group, leaving Samwise and Frodo to go it alone, while the others go off together. It may be necessary for story but it splits the dynamic. I haven't seen the movie but I would imagine it reflects the book.

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IMO, book 2 is not as good as One or Three, because other than meeting ents, and Gollum, it is mostly just running 'round, gathering forces and skirmishes Tolkien also splits the group, leaving Samwise and Frodo to go it alone, while the others go off together.
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...it also finished "Frodo was alive, but taken by the enemy", and you have to read half of ROTK before you get back to Frodo and Sam

Say, that's given me an idea: has anyone written a "Frodo and Sam" parody to "Jack and Diane"?  Sort of:

A little ditty, 'bout Frodo and Sam
Two doughty hobbits, trekkin off in Mordor land
Frodo's gotta throw the ring into Mount Doom
Sam tells Frodo, he's gonna come along too
Oh yeah, the quest goes on
Long after the fellow-
Ship of the Ring's gone

;-)

Phil

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Say, that's given me an idea: has anyone written a "Frodo and Sam" parody to "Jack and Diane"?  Sort of:

A little ditty, 'bout Frodo and Sam
Two doughty hobbits, trekkin off in Mordor land
Frodo's gotta throw the ring into Mount Doom
Sam tells Frodo, he's gonna come along too
Oh yeah, the quest goes on
Long after the fellow-
Ship of the Ring's gone

;-)

Phil
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Good idea, my dear Hobbit...perhaps you should work on the pacing a bit but it shows lots of promise :)

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Good idea, my dear Hobbit...perhaps you should work on the pacing a bit but it shows lots of promise :)
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..yeah, kind of assumes the word "Fellowship" has one syllable.  I've played around a bit with the idea in the car on the way home/back in to work, and because of the length of time he spends on the word "Thrill", you could probably get away with it...

Anyway, it's posted.

Phil

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Say, that's given me an idea: has anyone written a "Frodo and Sam" parody to "Jack and Diane"?  Sort of:

A little ditty, 'bout Frodo and Sam
Two doughty hobbits, trekkin off in Mordor land
Frodo's gotta throw the ring into Mount Doom
Sam tells Frodo, he's gonna come along too
Oh yeah, the quest goes on
Long after the fellow-
Ship of the Ring's gone

;-)

Phil
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LOL, good one Phil !

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IMO, book 2 is not as good as One or Three, because other than meeting ents, and Gollum, it is mostly just running 'round, gathering forces and skirmishes Tolkien also splits the group, leaving Samwise and Frodo to go it alone, while the others go off together. It may be necessary for story but it splits the dynamic. I haven't seen the movie but I would imagine it reflects the book.
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I always thought this myself. Gandalf rides here, then he rides there, then he rides back. Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas run across Rohan, then they go to Edoras, then they go somewhere else. There's a big battle, then they go to Isengard, then they go back to Edoras, and then they go somewhere else! A lot of riding hither and yon, but the film does it well.

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I'd ride hither and yon with Legolas any day !!
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I quite agree! :)

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When they were riding out of the fort how can a dozen men on horses ride into hundreds of orcs and get through ???Wouldnt they know to stab the horses ???
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Orcs are thick.  They didn't have time to think about it ;-)

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When that one guy who was banished came back with so many more soldiers and Gandalf those "Middle Earth Horses" must have some strong hooves to go down such down a steephill like that!
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The horses of Rohan are renowned for that kind of thing (it was Éomer wasn't it who came back?)

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In the first movie did you notice when they were running from the orcs Gandolf was leaving everybody in the dust LMAO how can an old man who walks with a staff turn into Carl Lewis ???
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Gandalf doesn't need the staff to walk with.  Wizards in Tolkein aren't simply special humans, they're a completely different race - virtually immortal (I mean, could you survive a trip down a chasm with a Balrog?), strong (Glamdring isn't a small sword) and full of magic.  There's a bit which explains (probably in the Silmarillion) how wizards don't actually need a staff for magic, but it helps to concentrate the mind.

Phil

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The Two Towers was better than the first one.The battle scenes were better!I did notice some far fetched stuff though!When they were riding out of the fort how can a dozen men on horses ride into hundreds of orcs and get through ???Wouldnt they know to stab the horses ???When that one guy who was banished came back with so many more soldiers and Gandolf those "Middle Earth Horses" must have some strong hooves to go down such down a steephill like that!Or maybe Gandolf put that"Super Glue Horse Hoof Spell" on them.In the first movie did you notice when they were running from the orcs Gandolf was leaving everybody in the dust LMAO how can an old man who walks with a staff turn into Carl Lewis ???
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So much of that would make sense if you had read the book. No matter what the merits of the film, parts of it aren't going to make sense without knowledge of the books. The Rohirrim's horses are descended from the Mearas (Gandalf's horse Shadowfax is the last of them), a sort of super race of horse that could run faster than the wind and communicate with people. As for how a dozen men on horse can ride through a hundred or so guys on foot, well, in real battles like that, that's exactly what does happen!
Also yeah, philbo's right. Gandalf isn't actually a man, he's an Istari, a minor god in human form who's been sent to Middle-earth to help destroy Sauron.