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Subject: Why Hollyweird, Why?
Why do movie makers feel the need to add crap to movies that either stretch the truth or tell all out lies?!
In the movie "Without Limits" they show Steve Prefontaine in bed with a girl and his roomate suddenly comes in while reading a bible...after the roomate leave Steve falls and slices his foot, requiring him to run with 12 stitches. In reality his injury occured when he cut his foot on a diving board.....
Another example comes from Forest Gump....Gene Stallings was an assistant to Coach Paul Bear Bryant and was very upset with the movie in an interview a while back. In the movie they show a colored girl dropping her books and when Forest helps her they show Bryant with a disgusted look on his face! Stallings said that it portayed Bryant as a racist...which he was NOT!
Lastly the movie Amistad the character played by Morgan Freeman was completly fictiscious...and this was supposed to be about history....
Okay...let me no if any of my ramblings made any sense?!
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
I don't have a problem with the ficticious character played by Freeman. If we're getting our history lessons from the movies we deserve to be lied to. Besides, the character helped to unify the movie.
I've got a problem with the Gump scene. I don't remember it, but it's easy and mean to leave those type of impressions. Cheap shot.
When I saw the title of this thread I thought you were going to write about the proposed 'fact finding' trip to Iraq by actor Sean Penn.
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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When I saw the title of this thread I thought you were going to write about the proposed 'fact finding' to Iraq by actor Sean Penn.
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Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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When I saw the title of this thread I thought you were going to write about the proposed 'fact finding' trip to Iraq by actor Sean Penn.
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That is funny. I'm curious as to why Penn thinks he can get "the inside scoop" in Iraq.
Bad move Hanoi Jane, ooops, I mean Sean Penn.
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
Sorry...just was wondering what people thought, no biggie ;) As for history I know what you mean but for kids that aren't told about things like this, they may grow up and become violent having maybe believed that some of this crap is true. I'm just not a fan of any movie that says "Based on a true story" and then goes on to not be very accurate at all.
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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Why do movie makers feel the need to add crap to movies that either stretch the truth or tell all out lies?!
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The idiots think it makes the movie more interesting. Personally, I'd rather have the true story.
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
I know that Hollywood changes the truth around, take a Beautiful Mind, that was a great movie, and I have to say that Russel Crowe should have had the Oscar. Denzel is cool and did a great job but I don't know of any other actor that could have done that character as well. Anyway, back to my point, it wasn't a true biography and there was some critisizm of the movie for using artistic lisense but I don't think the movie was marketed as that. History, whether in Movies or books is always an interpretation of the events from whoever is producing the work be it author or filmmaker. I can be sitting next to another person witnessing the same event and we could both have very differnt accounts of what we saw. Who was right? Me, of course he'll say the same thing.
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
On the subject of rewritting history what can I say but Mel Gibson !
Why he seems to hate the British so much I have no idea................
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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On the subject of rewriting history what can I say but Mel Gibson !
Why he seems to hate the British so much I have no idea................
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I think you'll find it's only the English he hates (at least as far as Braveheart goes).
Though Hollywood does have a tendency to give their villains English accents and good guys American ones...
Phil
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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History, whether in Movies or books is always an interpretation of the events from whoever is producing the work be it author or filmmaker. I can be sitting next to another person witnessing the same event and we could both have very differnt accounts of what we saw. Who was right? Me, of course he'll say the same thing.
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I have to agree with RockandRollFan here.
While it is true that there are different interpretations of historical events (i.e. *why* something happened or what effect an event had), how the events happened is not subject to interpretation.
For example, in "Men of Honor" a white sailor is given a medal for something that Carl Brashear did, yet it never happened in real life. That is not an interpretation. It is an outright falsehood.
Another example is "John F. Kennedy and PT 109." One scene shows the 109 boat rescuing a Company of Marines from a beach. That never happened either.
There are hundreds of more examples.
But, when making a movie "based on a true story," why not just give the true story? Isn't truth supposed to be more interesting than fiction?
MCSEGuy
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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Sorry...just was wondering what people thought, no biggie ;) As for history I know what you mean but for kids that aren't told about things like this, they may grow up and become violent having maybe believed that some of this crap is true. I'm just not a fan of any movie that says "Based on a true story" and then goes on to not be very accurate at all.
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Er.... you mean like Braveheart...? ::) Don't get me started... :o
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
I beg to differ. I've read a bunch of historical texts on Edward "Longshanks" for background in some of Shakespeare's plays, (He didn't actually write about King Edward though). "Braveheart" was incredibly accurate, except, of course, for the gratuitous sex scenes (I mean, who kept track of who hooked up with who back then and when? :))...but it was a beautiful movie regardless, and that's why I own the DVD :)
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Why he seems to hate the British so much I have no idea................
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Maybe he's still bitter at them for what they did in Gallipoli. ;D
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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I think you'll find it's only the English he hates (at least as far as Braveheart goes).
Though Hollywood does have a tendency to give their villains English accents and good guys American ones...
Phil
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Like The Patriot too, and that recent one he did about Vietnam........
I liked the quote that the only reason all the villains in movies are English is because we are the only ethnic minority who don't complain about it or sue !
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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I beg to differ. I've read a bunch of historical texts on Edward "Longshanks" for background in some of Shakespeare's plays, (He didn't actually write about King Edward though). "Braveheart" was incredibly accurate, except, of course, for the gratuitous sex scenes (I mean, who kept track of who hooked up with who back then and when? :))...but it was a beautiful movie regardless, and that's why I own the DVD :)
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Braveheart is more full of holes than a Gruyere cheese - although Edward was a butchering tyrant, the Scots clans were no better, just not as well organized. I could go on ad nauseam at this point, but I'd better not ;-)
Phil
Subject: Re: Why Hollyweird, Why?
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Braveheart is more full of holes than a Gruyere cheese - although Edward was a butchering tyrant, the Scots clans were no better, just not as well organized. I could go on ad nauseam at this point, but I'd better not ;-)
Phil
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I'll leave it to you Brits to sort out then ;) I'm just a lowly American who happened to enjoy the movie :)