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Did not "mean to covey support for racial segregation"??!  You've got to be kidding.  The only reason the Dixiecrats bolted in 1948 was because of their opposition to the civil rights platform of the Democratic party.  The only reason for Dixiecrats were to protect and preserve segregation. Trent Lott should resign.

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The first part of your post is not what he said, but what you think he meant.  How old was he 1948? seven.  He was just trying to say something nice to an old man. He has given his apology three times.  He did even to anything wrong "These problems" could mean anytrhing. The true race baters the democrates want to make it into a big issue.  You really think he believes in segragation? Believe what the the Black caucous tells ya, forget the truth, good liberal.

BTW: The democrates are the ones who want to divide us into groups.    

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From what I've been reading I think he's gonna go.  However I don't think what he said justifies his departure, he admits it was wrong and foolish, and from watching the speech in which he said it I really don't think he meant it to be percieved that way, you could tell he was flying from the cuff when he spouted those words.  

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Shouldn't a person who's been in public life for more than 30 years be expected to refrain from flying off the cuff, Race?  Lott put his foot in his mouth and is solely responsible for bringing on this firestorm.  The world is a forgiving place, but not usually to clumsy politicians.

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Here are some more "good liberals" who have suggested Trent Lott step aside:
Columnists Linda Chavez and Cal Thomas, former Education Secretary William Bennett, editor William Kristol and Kenneth Connor, head of the Family Research Council.
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the republicans should want Lot to step aside. the Dems want to keep him there so they can use this as an excuse to oppose the reoubkicans agenda.  This is getting stupid His comments could have ment anything, but a party with no issues has to jump on it.  National Order of Women is now attacking him over Britney Spears, that just highlights how stupid these groups that support democrates are. He doesn't deserve this, He is not for segragation.  

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the republicans should want Lot to step aside. the Dems want to keep him there so they can use this as an excuse to oppose the reoubkicans agenda.  This is getting stupid His comments could have ment anything, but a party with no issues has to jump on it.  National Order of Women is now attacking him over Britney Spears, that just highlights how stupid these groups that support democrates are. He doesn't deserve this, He is not for segragation.  
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No.  His words meant what they meant.  They meant the country would have been better off with Thurmond as president in 1948.  
And it's the National Organization of Women, Screwball.  I don't know what that has to do with this topic, though.  Lott's record on civil rights issue is damning enough without bringing Britney Spears into it.

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Exactly right!! Which is why it still amazes me how Robert Byrd was able to utter the dreaded N word on a Fox news program last year and suffer absolutely no fallout whatsoever.  Suppose it had been Jesse Helms rather than Robert Byrd... I wonder how quickly the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons  of the world would have ripped him to shreds?

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Exactly right!! Which is why it still amazes me how Robert Byrd was able to utter the dreaded N word on a Fox news program last year and suffer absolutely no fallout whatsoever.  Suppose it had been Jesse Helms rather than Robert Byrd... I wonder how quickly the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons  of the world would have ripped him to shreds?


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Really?  I hadn't heard about that one.  Robert Byrd hasn't got a particularly spotless civil rights records, either.  If it happened (not doubting your word, but this is the first I've heard about it), Byrd should have been held to account.  Sickening if he was given a free pass because he's a Democrat.

Edit: You're right.  Here's the modified quote: “There are white n***. I've seen a lot of white n*** in my time. I'm going to use that word.”  Senator Robert Byrd used it on Fox News Sunday.  How was he able to keep his senate seat after that?  Why, indeed, didn't the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world take off after him?  

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No.  His words meant what they meant.  They meant the country would have been better off with Thurmond as president in 1948.  
And it's the National Organization of Women, Screwball.  I don't know what that has to do with this topic, though.  Lott's record on civil rights issue is damning enough without bringing Britney Spears into it.
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It is on the point because these so called "civil rights" groups attack people that dissagree with them for the smallest coments.  He was Just trying to compliment the guy, and now he is being demonized for words he didn't say.  All he said was that we wold not have some of the problems we face today. These civil rights groups need to gorw up instead of throwing blame all the time.

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It is on the point because these so called "civil rights" groups attack people that dissagree with them for the smallest coments.  He was Just trying to compliment the guy, and now he is being demonized for words he didn't say.  All he said was that we wold not have some of the problems we face today. These civil rights groups need to gorw up instead of throwing blame all the time.
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Considering that aside from segregation, Strom Thurmond stood for a stronger education system and better national security...

And Strom Thurmond did eventually stop being a segregationist.  Are all you up there saying that a man can't turn a new leaf?

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There's a bi-partisan call for Trent Lott stepping aside.  With his history, his history, it was a stupid thing to say, plain and simple.  Lott is vulnerable to charges of racism.  Thurmond's Dixiecrat campaign was segregationist.  Saying the country would have been better off if Thurmond had won indicates you still believe segregation is a viable moral choice.

I'm still confounded by Senator Byrd's remark.  What, exactly, is a "white n***"? The only people I hear using the N word are young black people.  With Byrd's history, it was a colossally stupid thing to say.  
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Good afternoon/evening, Steve.

I'd like nothing better than to see a stronger Republican leader in the Senate.  But Trent Lott has apologized over and over and over again.  Short of voting to censure him, the Republicans are going to let him stay, because a censure would be akin to suicide (well, not really, but you know what I mean).  The Democrats, as much as they say they'd want him to go, would LOOOOOOOOVE him to stay to further destabilize the GOP standing and give them the only target they have to mudsling at right now.  And as for how "bad" Lott's statement is?  Well, a few years ago, a certain Democratic President got caught with his dong stuck in some intern's mouth...now that seems a little bit worse than getting your foot stuck in your mouth, don't it?

And again, I point out, what Lott said and what Lott implied are separate, and what he might have implied is purely subjective.

As for white "n------"...I think it's just those foolish white kids who think it's cool to be a gangsta, but I could be wrong.

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I was going to come back to this but so many others made the points I was going to raise.  
Politics is ugly. :(
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You said it, Race.  You wind up hating saying something bad about one politician because the other politician is doing the same thing and getting away with it.  

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He was just trying to say something nice to an old man. He has given his apology three times.  

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And that is proof of his true colors. Blacks will not forgive a white person who makes racist statements because he is not sorry he made them. If I was forced into giving a speech on Strom Thurmond, I tell them straight up what a crook he was and that he should have been forced out of office in 1948 after he made that unfortunate Segregation bill. The same

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You don't understand, Strom Thurmond has scince been "reformed".  :)

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I'd never vote for him. He gives me the same kinda "willies" Newt Gingridge (sp?) gave me.
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Newt Gingridge gave me bigger willies. That man could have done well in the gastapo organization.

Anyways, this fiasco with Lott is what I mean when I say that politics in America are wrong. This is why a politican can't just stand up and speak, but rather has an army of speech writers and pollsters to tell them what to say. If Trent Lott said something and did not think about it, and then appologized, that should be enough. But when politicans get a taste of blood, they want to go in for the kill. If Lott did not mean what he said, and was only "trying to make an old man feel good" then I do not have a problem with those comments. If Lott trully feels like seggregation was a good idea, then he should get a beating in the opinion polls. Either way, I would like to take a mans word as being sincere once in my life. I am tired of this second guessing of what a person ment, and listening to speech writers, pollsters and the like. For once, I would like to see a politican stand up and say "this goes against what 90% of you think, but screw it, here is what I think."

This childish game of politics reminds me of some guys I knew in college who used to lie to get laid. "Yeah, I come from a wealth family and have a huge member..." And in the end, everyone is left dissapointed.

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Senator Don Nickles is a race baiter?  Does President Bush's unwillingness to support Lott in this make him a race baiter too?  
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Thats absolutely correct.

Bush could easily step in and say "Lott your fired", but its not his job to do so.  From what I understand the Republican caucus is set to meet on 1-6-03 to decide whether or not Lott will remain as Majority Leader, or be demoted to Senator.  I think its a good move by Bush to let the Senate deal with it on their own.

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"Stay mum" and in the interim, to paraphrase an earlier Republican administration, allow Lott to twist slowly in the wind.
That Lott hasn't issued a statement in support of Lott is not a case of executive sensitivity to congressional processes.  Bush is a shrewd politician, and right now Lott is a liability.  Lott is a liability to the Republican party, an asset to the Democrat party.  Republicans are soft targets against charges of insensitivity to people of color, and Democrats would like nothing better than to make inroads into the Republican Hispanic base.  
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Was it just me, or did anybody else get the impression that Lott was supporting affirmative action in his BET appearance?
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I'm glad you posted your opinion, Zella ;)  It was well-stated.
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Well, hey, I do listen to O'Reilly and Fox News for fair and balanced news.... ;)

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Well, hey, I do listen to O'Reilly and Fox News for fair and balanced news.... ;)
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Please, stop, my lungs are collapsing from laughter ;D

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Thanks for the link, Earl.  
What words did Clinton put in your mouth?
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Just speaking for Republicans in general.  ;)  Read the article, it's almost outrageous what Clinton is saying.

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Just speaking for Republicans in general.  ;)  Read the article, it's almost outrageous what Clinton is saying.
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Well, you do have to consider the source.  

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Just speaking for Republicans in general.  ;)  Read the article, it's almost outrageous what Clinton is saying.
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I have a feeling that if Clinton thought he'd be more popular by saying the opposite he would have.  My point? He is a popularity puppet.

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Thats what we Republicans are tobacco chewing, pick-up driving, gun carying, confederate flag waiving racists.  

I don't see how even a far left democrate could believe such ridiculous statements.
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Thats what we Republicans are tobacco chewing, pick-up driving, gun carying, confederate flag waiving racists.  

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They also possess zero knowledge when it comes to grammar and spelling in English. It almost makes me want to become a supporter of correct-use-of-English-only laws.

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They also possess zero knowledge when it comes to grammar and spelling in English. It almost makes me want to become a supporter of correct-use-of-English-only laws.
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This is a messageboard not an english essay. It is not like I am going to be graded (except from jerk lurkers like yourself).

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This is a messageboard not an english essay. It is not like I am going to be graded (except from jerk lurkers like yourself).
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"Heya Screwball, lets string 'em up"  Said Race spitting tobacco out the broken window of his pick-up. ;D

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"Maybe we should just void the trouble, and shoot em," said Screwball, as he starts to grab Race's Sawed-off Shotgun from the rear of the pick-up.  :)

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NOW it gets interesting. Care to run that by me one more time?
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There is nothing to run by. I try to use proper english, but i am not going to edit and pry every post, as I would if I was doing an english assignment.

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"Maybe we should just void the trouble, and shoot em," said Screwball, as he starts to grab Race's Sawed-off Shotgun from the rear of the pick-up.  :)
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"Got 'er loaded with double aught buck- Blast Him!"  P'ting went the tobacco juice to the floor of the pick-up (hell, we dont care 'bout san-y-tation!). ;D  I'm having fun ;)

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I am too, but I have to leave. actually I was suppose two 20 minutes ago (I am late).

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Ok, ok. Am I going to have to seperate you guys?



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He's stepping down.  Methinks that signals the end of one whipping boy...will the Democrats find another?  Bet on it.
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As we sit here now, the Dems are searching through the archives to find any trace of racial related issues linked to Republicans so they can stretch every last inch out of this.  


Now, if the Dems are so upset and concerned about Lott's statement, they need to now look into their own party and do what they did to Lott.  First stop: KKK-member Democrat Sen. Byrd.

How can Dems force a senator's resignation for something he said, when they have an admitted KKK member in their caucus?  During this whole time, I have never heard a Dem even mention Byrd.  Unbeleivable.

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Double-standard.  Especially when the media is biased, ain't nothing you can do about that.
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Yeah, but at least Rush and Liddy and Savage have been riding Byrd's statement hard...
Haven't they?  

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Yeah, but at least Rush and Liddy and Savage have been riding Byrd's statement hard...
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Ah, but what do you read about in the papers, and on the tube?  ::)

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Ah, but what do you read about in the papers, and on the tube?  ::)
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The tube is Evil, Earl.  Before I ripped out the cable the only thing I was watching was the Weather Channel and Iron Chefhttp://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool031.gif Today if I try to watch television all I get is snow and shadows

Depends on what paper you're reading, doesn't it?

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The tube is Evil, Earl.  Before I ripped out the cable the only thing I was watching was the Weather Channel and Iron Chefhttp://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool031.gif Today if I try to watch television all I get is snow and shadows

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In San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, and Boston, some of the largest metropolitan areas (and the most liberal), the papers are actively bashing Lott, and will start finding another scapegoat soon now that Lott has stepped down.  When you're talking about the New York Times or the San Francisco Chronicle, readership is around the tens of millions.  You do the math.

Not to mention that MSNBC and CNN sorta skew the viewpoints juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust a wee bit.

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In San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, and Boston, some of the largest metropolitan areas (and the most liberal), the papers are actively bashing Lott, and will start finding another scapegoat soon now that Lott has stepped down.  When you're talking about the New York Times or the San Francisco Chronicle, readership is around the tens of millions.  You do the math.

Not to mention that MSNBC and CNN sorta skew the viewpoints juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust a wee bit.
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So I guess your earlier argument (Limbaugh is popular because he tells the Truth) doesn't apply to the popularity of these news outlets?  In other words, market values apply to Rush, but not to the NY Times, CNN, etc.  
That sounds a little red to me...http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool027.gif

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So I guess your earlier argument (Limbaugh is popular because he tells the Truth) doesn't apply to the popularity of these news outlets?  In other words, market values apply to Rush, but not to the NY Times, CNN, etc.  
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Limbaugh doesn't tell the "truth", he tells a different viewpoint.  The news outlets' responsiblity is to fact.  Sometimes the editorials are not confined to the "editorials" section, unfortunately.  That's why people listen to Rush, because they can't find a differing viewpoint in their dailies.

Personally, I don't listen to Rush.  I thought we took care of this little tiff like days ago.

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We have a conservative talk station based *GASP* in San Francisco.

I also read transcripts of political speeches for myself to create my own viewpoints so I don't feel like the media is spoonfeeding me garbage.