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Subject: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Rice Cube on 11/13/02 at 11:26 a.m.

Wow!  It's on CNN and MSN...ANALYSIS!  :)

This could prevent a war, I'm happy about that.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Syncronos on 11/13/02 at 11:37 a.m.

;D ;D ;D

Good! THis is wonderful news!

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Hairspray on 11/13/02 at 11:39 a.m.

Let's hope there are no hidden agendas.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Syncronos on 11/13/02 at 11:57 a.m.

Ha! You can rest assured that there ARE most certainly hidden agendas. I wouldn't be surprised if they know where old Bin is...but of course, they can't broadcast it, because every international vigilante will show up at his door to play baseball with his adam's apple

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Hairspray on 11/13/02 at 12:02 a.m.


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Ha! You can rest assured that there ARE most certainly hidden agendas. I wouldn't be surprised if they know where old Bin is...but of course, they can't broadcast it, because every international vigilante will show up at his door to play baseball with his adam's apple
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With the kind of reward out for Bin Laden, I'm surprised someone hasn't served his head on a platter!

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Indy Gent on 11/13/02 at 12:03 a.m.

Don't put it past Saddam. He's not blow a lot of dracmas for nerve gas repellent and not use it. TBC  :-/

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Syncronos on 11/13/02 at 12:04 a.m.

No no...people are looking, and only a select few people know where he is...but if we just kill him outright...nothing would truly change. The US would still be ticked at Afghanistan, and at Iraq. But, we need a face for the rage, so they keep him alive.

Trust me, I respect the government too much to put anything past them. They probably know right where he is

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Hairspray on 11/13/02 at 12:13 a.m.


Quoting:They probably know right where he is.End Quote



I will not speculate. It'd be pointless.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 11/13/02 at 12:24 a.m.

Didn't "hidden agenda" refer to Iraq?

None of this means much to me.  I'll believe it when I see it.  Completed.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Hairspray on 11/13/02 at 12:27 a.m.


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Didn't "hidden agenda" refer to Iraq?
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Yes, but they seem to get continually intertwined somehow.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Goreripper on 11/15/02 at 05:31 p.m.

Does anybody else think that Saddam's "parliament" rejecting the UN deal was a set up so that he could look like a good guy and overturn their decision?

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Hairspray on 11/15/02 at 10:09 p.m.

There's some kind of alert happening right now.

An Alqueida leader has been arrested overseas.

Some planes were also shot at over there.

Not good.  :-/

Those inspectors will probably get blown-up to smithereens when they land.  :-/ May they be blessed and survive that inspection trip.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: John_Seminal on 11/16/02 at 00:35 a.m.

My 2 cents. I believe the United States has enough problems at home. If we never went to the middle east in the 80's-90's, the twin towers would be still standing. According to everything I see on television, Arab's hate Americans for "invading" thier land. We never should have started policing the world. Why not go after terrorists instead of Iraq? Does anyone think Iraq will ever have the wepons to attack us, or is our action in defense of Isreal?

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: dagwood on 11/16/02 at 07:32 a.m.


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Why not go after terrorists instead of Iraq? Does anyone think Iraq will ever have the wepons to attack us, or is our action in defense of Isreal?
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Yes, Iraq will have the weapons to attack us.  They already have biological weapons and it is safe to assume that they are working on getting nuclear weapons.  Saddam Hussein is crazy enough to use a nuke and believe that he would win.  I think that we would be justified in attacking Iraq.

I do hope that there won't be a war, though.  All I am saying is that if there is I will be behind the president 100%.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Goreripper on 11/16/02 at 06:55 p.m.

Why is US policy on Iraq, where the evidence is still only circumstantial as to the existence of 'weapons of mass destruction', different to that on North Korea, which now proudly claims to have not only a nuclear capacity, but a nuclear arsenal?

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Rice Cube on 11/16/02 at 06:57 p.m.


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Why is US policy on Iraq, where the evidence is still only circumstantial as to the existence of 'weapons of mass destruction', different to that on North Korea, which now proudly claims to have not only a nuclear capacity, but a nuclear arsenal?
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Because Saddam has a sketchy porn-stache and North Korea bribes the USA with kim-chee :P

Honestly, I don't know...perhaps it is because of the oil that Iraq controls, or maybe Iraq just has a worse reputation not just of weapons development but of human rights violations.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Goreripper on 11/16/02 at 07:02 p.m.

Saddam's human rights abuses are up there with the best efforts of Ceaucescu, Milosovic and Amin. And of course he has actually used chemical weapons against the Kurds. North Korea hasn't used their nukes on anyone yet, to my knowledge.  :)  I guess I'm partly answering my own question, but if Bush's "axis of evil" includes both places, why such a hardline against one and a more temperate approach to the other?

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 11/16/02 at 07:03 p.m.

North Korea is a whole other kettle of fish.  In my opinion, they're a bigger threat than Iraq, by a lot.  But they have a real army, and it's not going to be the walkover it will be in Iraq.  

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Goreripper on 11/16/02 at 07:14 p.m.


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North Korea is a whole other kettle of fish.  In my opinion, they're a bigger threat than Iraq, by a lot.  But they have a real army, and it's not going to be the walkover it will be in Iraq.  
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My thoughts exactly. Plus the fact that Iraq could be wiped off the map and no one would really care. Saddam's regime isn't exactly liked even by other Arab nations. I imagine many of them would be rubbing their hands together thinking about getting their mits on the Iraqi oilfields. As for North Korea, well they'd only have to pop off a couple of missiles in the right direction and BAM! No more LA. No more Seattle. No more Chicago, and so on. No matter what Bush's rhetoric, Iraq couldn't do that quite as easily.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 11/16/02 at 07:26 p.m.

... and China is likely to be concerned if we start playing noisy at their back door...

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Rice Cube on 11/16/02 at 07:28 p.m.

Maybe there's a method to this madness, like Bush is trying to show that he can take out Iraq really easily and that will have some impact on what North Korea will do.  

Y'all know more about this than I do, but it's hard to believe that a staff of dozens of the nation's best (arguably) strategists would do something without a valid motive.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Goreripper on 11/16/02 at 07:33 p.m.

Of course Steve is right. I forgot that North Korea is a puppet state of the People's Republic. I don't think anyone wants to mess with them.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Race_Bannon on 11/17/02 at 00:01 a.m.

Also N Korea has come out and announced they had the Nukes, being open and vocal about it is letting us know they are willing to talk $$$ (also called "foreign aid")
Bush's including them in the "axis of evil" seemed a little cuckoo a short while ago, he obvioulsy had a little better info than most.

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Of course Steve is right. I forgot that North Korea is a puppet state of the People's Republic. I don't think anyone wants to mess with them.
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Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Race_Bannon on 11/17/02 at 00:35 a.m.

I work with a guy from Lybia, Khadaffie (sp?) is keeping his terror a lot more local, learned not to mess with the BIG DOG! He left cause he would have been "recruited" and not to kindly to the military and apparently they kill indiscriminatley and with brutal methods.

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It still is cuckoo... don't forget we're also out for blood and are gonna git them cigar-smokin' commies and Khadafi (BTW, whatever happened to that dude ??? He sure is glad he's not Saddam right about now :D ).
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Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: John_Seminal on 11/18/02 at 02:08 a.m.


Quoting:
Why is US policy on Iraq, where the evidence is still only circumstantial as to the existence of 'weapons of mass destruction', different to that on North Korea, which now proudly claims to have not only a nuclear capacity, but a nuclear arsenal?
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Outside of China becomming involved if the U.S. attacked Korea and the fact that we fought them once and were less than 100% sucessfull, the reason Bush is going after Iraq is he wants to stay in the White House. I know it is early, but think of the "rallying" effect a decisive win would have. There would be no more jokes about Bush's intellect. He would be a bon-a-fide foriegn policy expert. My feelings are Iraq is insignificant. They could not ever expect to cause any harm to the United States, because the retaliation would be so strong. Instead, you see pockets of terrorists stewing in fustration over US involvement in their section of the globe, and planning on ways to harm us. If we never would have involved ourselves with Iraq in 89, we would be better off because the terrorists would be aiming their agression elsewhere. Let the terrorists kill one another, like they did when Iraq and Iran were at war for 10 years. One other point, did anyone ever care to ask why Sadam is going after the Kurds, and why we should care about the Kurds? I would rather spend my tax money helping Americans than Kurds.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Rice Cube on 11/18/02 at 09:56 a.m.

I read on CNN.com today that there might be a miscommunication or a semantic doubt about North Korea's claim to have a nuclear weapon...it's on the front page, www.cnn.com

But if North Korea is a puppet state of China, don't you think they'd be under some level of control from China, who right now is more or less a USA ally?   ???

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: John_Seminal on 11/18/02 at 02:23 p.m.


Quoting:
I read on CNN.com today that there might be a miscommunication or a semantic doubt about North Korea's claim to have a nuclear weapon...it's on the front page, www.cnn.com

But if North Korea is a puppet state of China, don't you think they'd be under some level of control from China, who right now is more or less a USA ally?   ???
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I think it is a more of an us against them mentality for China and North Korea. While China does not control North Korea, they see the importance of reducing United States control in thier region. Didn't McArthur want to go straight through North Korea into China during the Korean War? China is a communist state, so they know the United States wants a change of government there. Plus, with China wanting Tiwan, I guess they are thinking the thinner they spread us out across the world, the less power we will have to dominate at any one specific place.

Subject: Re: Iraq agrees to UN terms

Written By: Rice Cube on 11/19/02 at 08:54 a.m.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/11/18/nkorea.us.nukes/index.html

Update: North Korea doesn't have nukes, they just claim to be entitled to nukes.

In my humble opinion, NOBODY is entitled to anything that could put a hole through the planet  >:(