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Subject: What was the Worst Year for Music?
What year do you think has been the worst for music? Please limit it to year you actually lived through (No one say 1910 or something stupid like that please). I vote for 1997, Spice Girls, Puffy, Hansen, Aqua, Chubawumba, Pearl Jam, and Metalica both released the worst albums of thier careers (good times). Only a few decent bands that kept me sane (Matchbox 20, Third eye blind, Foo fighters, Mighty Mighty Bostones).
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1992 when the grunge scene (read: Nirvana & Pearl Jam ) ROBBED US of our quality Hard Rock!
I'm still livvid! >:(
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1997 was when things definitely started going downhill, but the worst year in recent memory was 2000. Things have gotten much better, though, in my opinion.
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1992 when the grunge scene (read: Nirvana & Pearl Jam ) ROBBED US of our quality Hard Rock!
I'm still livvid! >:(
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The vast, vast majority of hair metal was not good. Accept it.
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1997 was when things definitely started going downhill, but the worst year in recent memory was 2000. Things have gotten much better, though, in my opinion.
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I don't know If I agree, Creed, Papa Roach, Matchbox Twenty, Carlos Santana, Three Doors Down, Lenny Kravits, and The Wallflowers all had good offerings that year. but then again to each his own.
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I don't know If I agree, Creed, Papa Roach, Matchbox Twenty, Carlos Santana, Three Doors Down, Lenny Kravits, and The Wallflowers all had good offerings that year. but then again to each his own.
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Yeah, see, those bands making the charts are GOOD things to you. To me, except for MAYBE the Wallflowers, SORTA 3 Doors Down, and a LITTLE Santana (in my opinion, "Supernatural" only had two good songs on it), those things are all BAD. Very, VERY bad.
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Yeah, see, those bands making the charts are GOOD things to you. To me, except for MAYBE the Wallflowers, SORTA 3 Doors Down, and a LITTLE Santana (in my opinion, "Supernatural" only had two good songs on it), those things are all BAD. Very, VERY bad.
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What can I say, I'm a chart Junkie, I like my bands to do well on the charts.
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-2001- (If I were to pinpoint one specifically, that is ;) )
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even if you don't agree with it. Period.
P.S. I'm not trying to sound harsh or anything. It's a matter of fact statement and it is not meant to be taken personally by anyone. :)
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The vast, vast majority of hair metal was not good. Accept it.
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The vast majority of all music is not good. Time is a great filter through which to view the music of a period, showing mainly those which are worth keeping around.
Phil
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Any year in the 1997-2002 range can be claimed THE absolute worst - all of it full of Puke Pop, Rap Metal, and the newfound fame of Country. The vast majority of new bands/artists are not good. The older bands and artists are still cranking out good tunes outside of charts and radio airplay...
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Now that I think about it, I agree with this point of view - Any year in the 1997-2002 range and for the same reasons. The top 40 leaves a lot to be desired for the most part, IMO. :-/
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2002 - Pop Idol - thats all i have to say
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At least Darius didn't win.
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2002 - Pop Idol - thats all i have to say
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At least Darius didn't win.
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aye, but he still got to no.1....proving that people'll buy any old sh!t :(
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Yeah, see, those bands making the charts are GOOD things to you. To me, except for MAYBE the Wallflowers, SORTA 3 Doors Down, and a LITTLE Santana (in my opinion, "Supernatural" only had two good songs on it), those things are all BAD. Very, VERY bad.
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The Wallflowers are a good band. 3 doors down are alright. In my opinion 1997 was the start of bad music with rappers constantly sampleing from the 80's. Still 97-98 were alright years for music. I think 1999 and 2000 were the worst years of music when you had Britney Spears on TV every 5 minutes. 2001-2002 I could take it or leave it kinda of music years. Still I think music still needs alot of improvement from a quality stand point.
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I say let them. At this rate, music will be dead by 2060.
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aye, but he still got to no.1....proving that people'll buy any old sh!t :(
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At least Darius didn't win.
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How he got a record deal is still beyond me - I dislike his voice so much!
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The vast, vast majority of hair metal was not good. Accept it.
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I never said that the majority of hard rock music WAS good - so theres nothing for me to 'come to terms with' as you suggest... the grunge movement musically, artistically and visually delivered a lot less than the glam of the mid to late 80s. To my mind.
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Hang on a sec...My_name_is_Kenny...not saying that you shouldn't have an opinion on music etc...but judging by your age in your profile, you were alive only A MINUTE in the late 80's... so I judge your comments as being a little 'naive' being as you weren't a part of the mania at the time... *sigh* ;)
If I trod on your toes by 'downing' the grunge movement that was present in your youth - it wasn't my intention.
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I would have to say the worst year was the year Metallica sold out. I think that was 91 or 92, I can't remember. Either way, that disgusted me, and my love of music hasn't been the same since.
JHC-inator
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1997, because it was the year that rap music became bad. All boybands started to come back, grunge was dead, and hardcore rap was dead. But Alternative Rock bands like Matchbox 20, The Goo Goo Dolls, 3rd Eye Blind, etc. were only good music of that year. 1999 was the next worst year for me because rap got more wack and Brittney Spears was all over MTV (it was also the year MTV started to suck).
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I guess I wasn't around for hairmetal mania. But I have heard a lot of hair metal; I had an uncle who lived with us awhile who was a big fan, plus VH1 likes to show a lot of hairmetal on its nostalgia shows. I think a great deal of it was crap, what can I say? I like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, and Skid Row, and that's about it.
Loren: This isn't a judgment of their music at all (they've all got at least a couple songs I like), but the Goo Goo Dolls, Matchbox Twenty and Third Eye Blind are about as un-alternative as you can get.
Subject: Re: What was the Worst Year for Music?
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Musically, visually, and artistically, 80s Cheez Meatal offered diddly squat as compared to other forms of music. Tarzan Boy
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Perhaps. ;)
I thought it was fun. I don't think it was ever supposed to offer anything per se, just entertainment. I certainly didn't expect anything deep and meaningful, just lighthearted fun. *I must note there are a few exceptions like the decently made ballad-types, Skid Row's "I Remember You", Def Leppard's "Love Bites", Bon Jovi's "Dead Or Alive" and "I'll Be There For You", Warrant's "Sometimes She Cries", Guns N' Roses' "Patience', Cinderella's "Don't Know what you got 'til it's Gone", for example.
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Whatever year "Walk The Dinosaur" came out. ::)
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... and the 80s Glam Rehash/Cheez Meatal/Fluff Wrock sucked and it sucked big time (it's as bad as Puke Pop and all). Musically, visually, and artistically, 80s Cheez Meatal offered diddly squat as compared to other forms of music. It's what made the 80s the butt of jokes.
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Hey Tarzan Boy,
I wasn't comparing 80s quality hard rock to "other forms" of music buddy, I was drawing my personal comparison to Grunge music as being the era IMO that music went downhill. Nor was I professing vast and all-encompassing knowledge on the subject. You seem to have deluded yourself into thinking I'm referring to, ... how did you put it? Oh yes, "Glam Rehash/Cheez Meatal/Fluff Wrock".... I don't know where you pulled that one from mate - if your read carefully my first post in this thread, you will see I never used those words, nor is it this genre that I'm referring to.
I took exception to the "Accept it" comment that "Kenny" left - very belittling and a bit 'naive' in light of the fact he/she was a little takker at the time... nothing to do with Beethoven, nothing to do with the "Great Masters" et al.
Seems to me you're arguing this for argument's sake.
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I would have to say it was 87-88 or so, that was when cheese metal/ big hair bands were huge and I think "walk the dinasaur" was that here as well. That was about the worse of times.
"Boom boom acka-lacka-lacka boom"
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Hi Tarzan Boy,
Your measured attempt to inferr that I lack a reasonable degree of 'reading comprehension' does not bother me in the least - I understood your comments well.
Similarly, your crystal-clear and annunciated post script about "Fluff Wrock", as enlightening as it was, was taken with the grain of salt you served it with.
But thanks for the 'heads up'. *yawn*
You ask me why I didnt address the statement that I took exception to from the outset... well for starters I felt it unnecessary to s.p.e.l.l . i.t. o.u.t. for all on the board here - and secondly, why would I?
If I felt there would be someone (such as yourself) who would like a detailed breakdown of what I was thinking at the time, I coulda written rheems...most of it pretty boring and 'beige' to the 'average' board user...but if its a private audience you're requesting Tarzan Boy in which you would like me to do so, then perhaps we could continue this in private....rant, rave, blah blah... *zzzzzzz*
I heard you twice the first time when you took exception to my post...so what is it you trying to say?? I'm a big meanie?
I believe as a result of your prompting, I've rationalised far more than I had ever intended to do in this post by offering a very clear explaination...so, what else would you like??? Hmmm?
I dunno about you but to my mind, the topic is old, as is the one-upmanship in our posts. A worthy adversary yes, but aren't you bored yet?
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i vote for 2001 by far. Music sucked almost all last year until later in the year for the most part. music has been gettin crappier since 1998 imo but 2001 just went too far down. but like i said late2001, and 2002, it looks like its getting better again(tho, like any year, theres always some crappy songs)
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The vast, vast majority of hair metal was not good. Accept it.
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Sorry, can't accept that. Lyrics that were FUN to listen to, instruments that were actually played rather than thrashed, and without that annoying distortion that is prominent these days, solid drums, good singing, and an attitude of "we're in it for the fun of it, not to make a statement" make the vast majority of hair metal FAR more entertaining than the offerings we've had since 1992. I think others will agree. Accept it.
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;D Never ;D Good comeback though ;)
Tarzan Boy
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OK, not you, but I expected that. ;D
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i vote for 2001 by far. Music sucked almost all last year until later in the year for the most part. music has been gettin crappier since 1998 imo but 2001 just went too far down. but like i said late2001, and 2002, it looks like its getting better again(tho, like any year, theres always some crappy songs)
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I agree with this post 100%. I think 98 Music changed because of rap labels like Bad Boy and No Limit. I thinnk big rap labels that have like 10 artists have really turned music into more of a business. You have Nas signing with Murder Inc. Who would have ever thought that would have happened? Xzibhit will eventually sign with Dr. Dre's label Aftermath and M.O.P. will sign with Roc-A-Fell just like Cam'ron did. What has happened in music reminds me of happened with NASCAR 5 years ago for some strange reason. I remeber owners in NASCAR were going for like 4 teams run by one owner now rap has like 6 artists on one label. In 1988 rap wouldn't have gotten away with that. I think the reason for big labels like Murder Inc and etc. is you can build 1 artist's career and they can be associated with a 2nd artist that a label has signed and you can build the 2nd artist's career easier. Just look at the past 5 years of music. 1997-1998: Puff Daddy and Mase dominated the charts and were on the same label. 1999-2000: Britney., N'Sync, and Backstreet Boys were on the same label with Jive Records. 2001-2002 Murder Inc. with Ja Rule and Ashanti have been on top of the charts. In the music business it depends who you know and who you are associated with. Its not about quality of music like it used to be.
Subject: Re: What was the Worst Year for Music?
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I would have to say the worst year was the year Metallica sold out. I think that was 91 or 92, I can't remember. Either way, that disgusted me, and my love of music hasn't been the same since.
JHC-inator
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Well said...and let's not forget about poor little Lars..the Napster killer...he was losing SO much money...I feel so bad for him :'( NOT >:(
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There is a man that creates computer games called Lars Barstad (sic). Never has this term been more eloquently applied (by me), to such an aforementioned kind of human being.
Ahem.
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There is a man that creates computer games called Lars Barstad (sic). Never has this term been more eloquently applied (by me), to such an aforementioned kind of human being.
Ahem.
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;D
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Do you think Hairspray noticed?
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;D
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I just did. ;)
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Worst year for music? I would have to say 1990-1993. Just wretched, IMHO.... ;D
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Hey I think the worst year for music is this year, and unless we change something the worst year will continue to be the year after next and so on! Although your examples of 1997 bad music were good (Hansen: lol) i must disagree with you strongly. 1997 was great: Radiohead (OK Computer), Sunny Day Real Estate (How it Feels to Be Something On), and Beck (Odelay) are just 3 remarkable albums from that year.
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What year do you think has been the worst for music? Please limit it to year you actually lived through (No one say 1910 or something stupid like that please). I vote for 1997, Spice Girls, Puffy, Hansen, Aqua, Chubawumba, Pearl Jam, and Metalica both released the worst albums of thier careers (good times). Only a few decent bands that kept me sane (Matchbox 20, Third eye blind, Foo fighters, Mighty Mighty Bostones).
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