I believe season 8 is on the lower end of the seasonal ranking but boy...I think the hate towards it is sooo immature and bandwagony.

People just don't seem to understand what the story is about. It is based on Robert Frost's poem  Fire and Ice. In the poem, fire and ice represent the two forces that'll eventually destroy the world. The Night King represents ice and Danaerys represents fire. She was never a superhero. The show and George tricked you.


lol Immature and bandwagony? No, it's deserved. And it's less hate than disappointment. The turn for Daenerys is not at all well foreshadowed or developed in the series, and yes, I'm aware of the statements she's made earlier in the show, but actions speak louder than words and her actions never were to kill innocent women and children. The buildup wasn't even close to being there. She was presented mainly as a hero character.

Also, the idea that she's the big villain along with the NK would make it, as I said, a nihilistic postmodern fakeout, where it's intended to seem that Jon Snow and Daenerys, two characters outside all the political squabbles over the Iron Throne are going to come in and be essential to the real struggle that the fighting between the high lords ignores, but then neither turns out to be necessary to defeat that existential threat and both are torn down, one as villain and one as tarnished hero.

In the books, even if it all goes this way, it might be possible to execute all this better; I frankly don't know if this ending would go over well even with much better writing, because it's still like quite a troll, following thousands of pages to the end (I think it's almost 5000 pages already, with several thousand more pages to go) just to reveal that the overall framing of the story was unnecessary, because all it took was Arya to defeat the dead and he was not really the greatest threat.

Also, even the characters like Tyrion and Sansa, who end up alright and are perhaps supposed to be heroic if both ice and fire are evil, end up as hypocrites, along with Jon, really, who keeps declaring loyalty until he shanks Daenerys.

I have come to suspect that the thrust of the story could be to end in a nihilistic tearing down of the very concept of a "good guy" character, heroic in the classical sense like Jon or Daenerys or heroic in a more prosaic fashion like Tyrion. It could be grimly beautiful if done right, or maybe not. Time will tell, assuming GRRM finishes the books and the story really is a deconstruction of traditional literature.

And lastly, there was weak writing, too much time spent on battles as opposed to dialog and character interaction, and untied loose ends in the series.

lol Immature and bandwagony? No, it's deserved. And it's less hate than disappointment. The turn for Daenerys is not at all well foreshadowed or developed in the series, and yes, I'm aware of the statements she's made earlier in the show, but actions speak louder than words and her actions never were to kill innocent women and children. The buildup wasn't even close to being there. She was presented mainly as a hero character.

Also, the idea that she's the big villain along with the NK would make it, as I said, a nihilistic postmodern fakeout, where it's intended to seem that Jon Snow and Daenerys, two characters outside all the political squabbles over the Iron Throne are going to come in and be essential to the real struggle that the fighting between the high lords ignores, but then neither turns out to be necessary to defeat that existential threat and both are torn down, one as villain and one as tarnished hero.

In the books, even if it all goes this way, it might be possible to execute all this better; I frankly don't know if this ending would go over well even with much better writing, because it's still like quite a troll, following thousands of pages to the end (I think it's almost 5000 pages already, with several thousand more pages to go) just to reveal that the overall framing of the story was unnecessary, because all it took was Arya to defeat the dead and he was not really the greatest threat.

Also, even the characters like Tyrion and Sansa, who end up alright and are perhaps supposed to be heroic if both ice and fire are evil, end up as hypocrites, along with Jon, really, who keeps declaring loyalty until he shanks Daenerys.

I have come to suspect that the thrust of the story could be to end in a nihilistic tearing down of the very concept of a "good guy" character, heroic in the classical sense like Jon or Daenerys or heroic in a more prosaic fashion like Tyrion. It could be grimly beautiful if done right, or maybe not. Time will tell, assuming GRRM finishes the books and the story really is a deconstruction of traditional literature.

And lastly, there was weak writing, too much time spent on battles as opposed to dialog and character interaction, and untied loose ends in the series.


I actually don't disagree that much with you enough to waste time arguing. I just think the passion behind the hate for season 8 is overboard.