KDKA-TV news just confirmed that Michael Jackson is dead.

RIP Michael...  :\'(  You were one heck of an entertainer in your day...  8)

KDKA-TV news just confirmed that Michael Jackson is dead.

RIP Michael...   :\'(  You were one heck of an entertainer in your day...  8)


O..M..G. :o

All I can say is WOW if this is true Wow :\'(

CNN is saying that he was rushed to the hospital, but TMZ (as much as I hate them, they are usually right) is saying that he's dead.

:o  Whoa.  Wait . . . Michael Jackson gone.  RIP Michael, your life was way too short. :\'(

For some reason, we're getting BBC America, and they're saying that it is unconfirmed.

OMG  :o  Celebrity Heaven thread is goin' crazy today.  our own apollonia1986  is gonna really be heartbroken  :(

For some reason, we're getting BBC America, and they're saying that it is uncomfirmed.


CNN seems to think he's still alive all though Huffington Post says he's passed on.

OMG  :o  Celebrity Heaven thread is goin' crazy today.  our own apollonia1986  is gonna really be heartbroken  :(


Poor apollonia, gosh what do we do? 

That was one of my first thoughts too!  :(


I'm guessing that the media outlets will have to be sure before confirming anything, so we will be seeing lots and lots of career clips, etc. for awhile...


This is also reminding me of when Princess Diana was killed.  I :\'( a lot over that one.

I just can't believe this :o

Poor apollonia, gosh what do we do? 
just be there for her, inthe00s style  :\'(

CNN is saying that he's in a coma.

Ergh, I guess all we can do is wait and see what is reported. :-\\

They've just confirmed it on CNN.

CBS just cut in w/ Special report...He's dead.......
OMG....what a day.............

Very strange day.
Tough day.

CBS just cut in w/ Special report...He's dead.......
OMG....what a day.............


Yeah, NBC is reporting it now as well.

Wow, just wow.  It is like a piece of my childhood gone.  Rest in peace, Michael.  :\'(

Yeah, NBC is reporting it now as well.


CNN just did it too.

This is simply too shocking to even absorb right now...  :\'(

My God it looks like he did die, so sad. RIP Michael Jackson.  :\'(

O..M..G. :o


My thoughts exactly! :o :-[


And he was only 50

I am old enough to remember when the Jackson Five first appeared.  Michael was the star of the show and a tremendous talent then.  This is so sad  :\'(

^It sure is. This was so sudden...altho he was in poor health in recent months

This is heartbreaking.....way too young to die. :( :\'( :\'( :\'(

Apolloina...girl if you are reading this...I am so so sorry...I know how much you loved him. :\'( :\'(

The news reports say that he converted to Muslimism (I had not known that).

I wonder if this means he will be buried within 24 hours as is custom? ???

Man WTF?  First Ed, then Farrah and now Jacko?  This is a very very sad day :\'(

Today at work were were talking about Farrah passing away, and one lady remarked how things like these usually come in threes.  I never would have thought Jacko

He was a great entertainer and I will love the 'Thriller' album until the day I die!

I am sad and completely moved to tears. :\'(

CNN is saying they still have not confirmed that he has passed away.



Michael,
Farewell my summer love, my lifetime love.

I am old enough to remember when the Jackson Five first appeared.  Michael was the star of the show and a tremendous talent then.  This is so sad  :\'(

Me too, I remember this talented little kid on TV, and their early songs were just great

Wow, just wow.  It is like a piece of my childhood gone.  Rest in peace, Michael.  :\'(


^

Same here.  Michael Jackson was iconic and ubiquitous in the early '80s.  It reminds me of the deaths of Elvis Presley and John Lennon.  

Michael was a magnificent talent.  There is no replacement for him.

We always joked about the controversies and eccentric behavior that were so detrimental to his career and reputation later in his career, but it was always tinged with sadness for me because, as with Elvis, his gifts were so great as to make his slow deterioration tragic.

I'm stunned and sad right now.

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/15/tearyeyed.gif

Dude had great dance moves.

He was a great entertainer and I will love the 'Thriller' album until the day I die!


I don't know if people who don't have a firsthand memory of 1982-1984 can really grasp how awesome Michael was in that brief period.  Even if you didn't like soul or dance pop, you couldn't deny that was some damn fine music and when you saw Michael perform, you immediately understood why every teenage girl in the world loved him.  Again, the Michael mania of that era is rivaled only by the superstar hysteria that surrounded Elvis and the Beatles in their prime.  

Objectively speaking, it is not shocking that Michael Jackson died at 50.  His health problems were legion and he was a fragile man beset with all kinds of problems despite his sultan-like wealth.  However, the sense of loss is still palpable.  

I loved Michael Jackson. There is no other singer who can match his accomplishments. If it is proven true that he is in fact, I hope he rests in peace.

I'm fairly surprised.

I suppose there was bound to be somebody who had the contrary opinion, didn't realize it would be me that was the first.

In no way am I saddened.

The day I mourn a child molesting, pervert, closet freak like Jackson is the same day the Government pries my guns from my cold dead fingers.

I'm fairly surprised.

I suppose there was bound to be somebody who had the contrary opinion, didn't realize it would be me that was the first.

In no way am I saddened.

The day I mourn a child molesting, pervert, closet freak like Jackson is the same day the Government pries my guns from my cold dead fingers.

Regardless of his personal life, someone did die today, someone with a whole lot of musical talent.
Maybe you weren't a fan, but he was a talented entertainer, one of the best ever.

I don't know if people who don't have a firsthand memory of 1982-1984 can really grasp how awesome Michael was in that brief period.

Michael was simply colossal during that time period.  KING of pop?  Heck he was the EMPORER of pop back then.  He had it all... voice... dance moves... looks... personality... the total package.  There is no star out there today who is anywhere near his level of complete domination.  Not even close.  8)

Only the Lord knows what caused him to go down the path that he did later in life...   :\'(

I'm fairly surprised.

I suppose there was bound to be somebody who had the contrary opinion, didn't realize it would be me that was the first.

In no way am I saddened.

The day I mourn a child molesting, pervert, closet freak like Jackson is the same day the Government pries my guns from my cold dead fingers.


What Frank said.  And...

It's like I said when Ike Turner died.  We all know Michael's transgressions they way we all knew Ike's.  There's a time to say, yes, the man had serious flaws, but perhaps on the day of his death we can celebrate his contributions to popular culture and our collective consciousness.

(and coming form a GG Allin fan, I'll consider the source.)
::)

::)

It's like I said when Ike Turner died.  We all know Michael's transgressions they way we all knew Ike's.  There's a time to say, yes, the man had serious flaws, but perhaps on the day of his death we can celebrate his contributions to popular culture and our collective consciousness.

(and coming form a GG Allin fan, I'll consider the source.)


Considering the only thing GG was ever charged with was sexual misconduct with a woman he was having consensual sex with... she lied, he went to jail.

I'm just a little ashamed that so many people are willing to overlook the past transgressions of a pervert and child molester, simply because he made some records.

Only the Lord knows what caused him to go down the path that he did later in life...  :\'(

I guess we will never know. Let's not try to remember that part of his life, but his songs.

Considering the only thing GG was ever charged with was sexual misconduct with a woman he was having consensual sex with... she lied, he went to jail.

I'm just a little ashamed that so many people are willing to overlook the past transgressions of a pervert and child molester, simply because he made some records.


Sorry I mentioned it  GG does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same thread as Michael.

I don't know if people who don't have a firsthand memory of 1982-1984 can really grasp how awesome Michael was in that brief period.  Even if you didn't like soul or dance pop, you couldn't deny that was some damn fine music  
easily the most danced to and popular music at my wedding reception in 1984 was MJ.


I'm fairly surprised.

I suppose there was bound to be somebody who had the contrary opinion, didn't realize it would be me that was the first.

In no way am I saddened.

The day I mourn a child molesting, pervert, closet freak like Jackson is the same day the Government pries my guns from my cold dead fingers.
agreed that child molesters be punished for their crimes to the fullest extent. Not to provide any excuses, but I would add that there are many types of mental diseases in this world, even sexual perverse harmful ones and some people are 'sick' that way but they still must pay consequences for their actions.

Sorry I mentioned it  GG does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same thread as Michael.


I wouldn't bring GG down to his level.

Well, I've said my piece. Never mind, I just assumed that there was still an expectation of decency from mainstream musicians. I guess not.

NOOOO!!!!  Unbelievable - too too sad!  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(

He is one of my long time favorites.  R.I.P. Michael Jackson

Sad  :(


Btw any one hear about Jeff Goldblum - he has reportedly died on a New Zealand film set! ???

Sad  :(


Btw any one hear about Jeff Goldblum - he has reportedly died on a New Zealand film set! ???


This had better only be a rumor. >:(

This had better only be a rumor. >:(


I hope so too! :-\\

Sad  :(


Btw any one hear about Jeff Goldblum - he has reportedly died on a New Zealand film set! ???


It's looking like it is.  I just spent a half hour looking for news on that, and could only find one site saying that.

It's looking like it is.  I just spent a half hour looking for news on that, and could only find one site saying that.


Now there's reports of Harrison Ford too.  This is turning into pure B.S. if you ask me.

I'm just a little ashamed that so many people are willing to overlook the past transgressions of a pervert and child molester, simply because he made some records.

I certainly understand how you feel, Dave. There are many(including my own mother) who are upset that he had to go on the same day as Farrah, and now he'll get all the attention. I disagree, saying that we've known Farrah was dying for a long time and we all had a chance to say goodbye. Totally unlike Jacko, Farrah took her final bow with dignity.

I don't think anyone will mourn The Gloved One more than the comedians who made hay over him in the news during the 90's and 2000's. Still, my heart goes out to his family, as well as our appalonia. Maybe now his children can lead a normal life out of the public eye, something Jacko never had(could this have explained his weirdness?). That could be the only good thing to come out of this.

Goodbye, Michael. May God have mercy on your soul.

Your Pal,
Doc
8)

Jeff Goldblum is a well-known star.  If he was dead, I am sure the world would know about it.

I can't even put into words how shocked and saddened I am about this.  MJ was a part of my childhood, and I've been listening to his music for as long as I can remember. 

RIP Michael Joseph Jackson.  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(

Now there's reports of Harrison Ford too.  This is turning into pure B.S. if you ask me.
not Indiana Jones...  say it ain't so  :(

not Indiana Jones...  say it ain't so  :(


It's just a stupid Twitter rumor.  As if people aren't upset enough already. >:(

These websites that are saying Harrison Ford is dead aren't wrong .  ..
Harrsion Ford is dead

These websites that are saying Harrison Ford is dead aren't wrong .  ..
Harrsion Ford is dead


Stop it!!!  My head is starting to hurt!!!  Sorry, it's been a rough day. :-[

Stop it!!!  My head is starting to hurt!!!  Sorry, it's been a rough day. :-[


If the real, living and breathing Harrison Ford was dead, it would be world news.  These internet stories about Goldblum and Ford are just hoaxes

If the real, living and breathing Harrison Ford was dead, it would be world news.  These internet stories about Goldblum and Ford are just hoaxes


Yeah, you're right.

Like was said on CNN - we have to stop and remember that Michael was a Father, Brother, Uncle, Son.... and we should be thinking about those family members and not just about whether or not he was a pervert blah blah blah....

I'm fairly surprised.

I suppose there was bound to be somebody who had the contrary opinion, didn't realize it would be me that was the first.

In no way am I saddened.

The day I mourn a child molesting, pervert, closet freak like Jackson is the same day the Government pries my guns from my cold dead fingers.







How would you/wouldn't you know Michael Jackson was a pervert, ect..what are you special or something and you just assume know it all ? And why the shallow and ignorant comments about the condition he had what does that have to do with anything. Im sorry you don't make any sense grow up please.

How would you/wouldn't you know Michael Jackson was a pervert, ect..what are you special or something and you just assume know it all ? And why the shallow and ignorant comments about the condition he had what does that have to do with anything. Im sorry you don't make any sense grow up please.



Hey now, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  No need to rip him to shreds over it

Very sad to hear of his passing...must have been one hell of an attack to floor him outright...

Just my opinion, but the last 20-odd years of his life were a farce, both musically and personally (and like it or not, you're gonna see some crud being dragged up as from now), but I won't and certainly can't deny his influence...RIP

How would you/wouldn't you know Michael Jackson was a pervert, ect..what are you special or something and you just assume know it all ? And why the shallow and ignorant comments about the condition he had what does that have to do with anything. Im sorry you don't make any sense grow up please.



More than you apparently.

Eat a brick buddy.

" Cardiac arrest is often wrongly equated with a heart attack. In fact, what kills people who die suddenly is not the artery clogging,  it's the ventricular fib, a rapid quivering of the main pumping chambers in the bottom of the heart, called the ventricles. When this occurs, little blood gets out. Brain cells die within minutes. For every minute that goes by without the heart being restored to a normal rhythm, the patient's odds of survival drop by 10%. After ten minutes they're gone."

This could be the explaination if he were alone when it happened-or if whoever was with him just didn't have the equipment on hand to help-in this case, the difibrulator (sp). Most people don't just have those hanging around... if someone had been able to get him to the hosp within minutes of it happening, he would have had a much better chance.  The hospital was only 7 minutes away, but if they didn't find him for even 5 minutes after the collapse, then panicked for 5 minutes before calling 911, it was already too late.

Can't really add much that hasn't already been said...

Grew up in the 70's with Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5, watched them on TV, sang along to them on the radio, cartoons, even saw them twice in the late 70's. When disco hit, I was there with Michael and Off the Wall too...small milestones of my life are always marked with music and Michael Jackson will always be part of my life, my past because of that.

Its like someone already mentioned, its not like you can really fathom this, just didn't think he could die, he was so much bigger than life.
This is a day I will remember for a long time. :\'(

I bet there will be a resurgence of his singles and/or albums in the music charts.  The UK definately

I bet there will be a resurgence of his singles and/or albums in the music charts.  The UK definately


Go have a look at iTunes top singles chart!

Michael currently has 11 in the top 100, as well as 2 with the Jackson 5.

I bet there will be a resurgence of his singles and/or albums in the music charts.  The UK definately


Yeah, we're funny like that!  ;)

Textbook cases include Presley and Lennon...and speaking of Presley, someone quoted when he died that it was a 'good career move', considering his finances were hitting the skids at the time...

Sadly, the same could be said with Jacko...

We were watching the events on the news last night, we were all in shock

R.I.P. Michael Jackson

:\'( :\'( :\'(

Haven't read ALL tributes, so hopefully my comment will be taken as 'original':

Very sad that Michael has passed on, and also sad that iin such a tough economic time across the world, HE JUST PUT ANOTHER 500,000 people out of work who were 'MJ Impersonators'!

Peace Michael..hope God recognizes you!

Haven't read ALL tributes, so hopefully my comment will be taken as 'original':

Very sad that Michael has passed on, and also sad that iin such a tough economic time across the world, HE JUST PUT ANOTHER 500,000 people out of work who were 'MJ Impersonators'!

Peace Michael..hope God recognizes you!
Do not take me wrong, but Impersonators live on.

Btw any one hear about Jeff Goldblum - he has reportedly died on a New Zealand film set! ???


(I see what you did there.  Well-played!) 

"Yeah, and he took out Harrison Ford with him!" :)

Back to the topic at hand,

RIP, you crazy, brilliant, sick, perverted, singing, dancing, choreographing machine.  For 15 years, your career's been dead, and you've been known only for your freakishness and scandal.  But today, we got to look back and remember the Michael Jackson that was worth remembering:  a pop star who (a) sang without autotune, (b) danced without CGI, (c) singlehandedly elevated the music video as an art form of its own, rather than as merely a way to use stock footage of your band, and (d) crossed genres from soul to disco to synthpop.  MJ was one of the very few people who not only sold a lot of records, he actually changed the music scene.  That's rare.

Contrast the arc of his career with the present-day Disney/FOX cycle of manufactured Christina/Britney/Miley clones and American Idols, and weep for what passes as "stardom".  Given the present-day diversity of good music out there and the trend towards narrowcasting over broadcasting, single tracks over albums, the splintering of genres, and it all adds up to the end of "Top 40" as a concept.  The environment for creating superstars no longer exists, leaving MJ as the last pop "superstar".  (Elvis and the Beatles preceded Jackson by decades, and Cobain's the only more recent name that comes to mind who coulda been a contender for revolutionizing the music scene, but he didn't play through to billions of records sold.)

Why so soon?  That's our fault.  All of us reading this.  As long as this board's existed, there've been threads where we've asked who had to die to get MTV to play music videos again.  Now we know.  But as much as it sucks, it was sure nice to see Thriller again.

Do not take me wrong, but Impersonators live on.


As or if the look-alikes do go on, at least when they show up, it won't have people guessing it's him.

I remember when the story broke he once showed up at Disneyland dressed as a nurse! TRUE STORY!
People took his picture anyway and one person even asked him 'Aren't you Michael J'...he admitted it at least..but I can't spill anymore stories even if he is gone.

It just happened all to quick.

And have we all learned from this:


WEARING A SURGICAL MASK DOES NOT KEEP YOU HEALTHY!!!!  :-\\

I must admit, I've got kind of mixed feelings about all this, and the difference in how BET and E! Entertainment covered the story illustrated that perfectly. BET started playing all of his videos to remind us how freakishly talented he was, while E! reran the True Hollywood Story about him to remind us how freakish he was.  

I used to bash MJ relentlessly in this forum, mainly because of that Robbo troll-douche who used to come in here and start threads that DEMANDED that we HAD to like Michael Jackson and if we didn't then we were all horrible people. (I'm surprised that he hasn't yet tried to weasel his way in here and write some nasty post trying to somehow blame us for MJ's death.)

I never was a huge Michael Jackson fan, but I have to grudgingly admit that he is equal to or even greater than Elvis when it comes to both sheer talent and global cultural impact. It should be interesting to see how he is remembered years from now.

I can't believe he's dead.  I was a huge fan of his when I was little.

RIP MJ

I never was a huge Michael Jackson fan, but I have to grudgingly admit that he is equal to or even greater than Elvis when it comes to both sheer talent and global cultural impact. It should be interesting to see how he is remembered years from now.
This is pretty much how I feel.

I think that thing that gets me is how 'SHOCKED' everyone is, why? When you bear in mind how ill the man has been in recent years, the constant collapses most recently at the rehearsals for his tour it's hardly a surprise. I feel very very sorry for his children, they really don't have much of a chance when you consider the media circus that will descend on them and the, to put it politely, excentric family they are part of.

i have to admit i'm already tired of hearing about michael jackson. and you know the public eulogizing is just gonna go on and on for days.  ::)

let's face it: dude probably molested little boys. and his music is overrated, and i'd actually question whether he even wrote it himself. sorry to say but there it is. i actually find it a bit depressing that this is eclipsing farrah fawcett's death, because frankly i think she was overall a better human being.


I'm sorry, as much as I care about Farrah Fawcett, I totally disagree with you on this Tia. . .He wasn't found guilty, and while you can speculate all you want on 'he did or he didn't", he was found not guilty, that kid couldn't keep his story straight--the mother had a history of sexual related lawsuits, the whole thing was fishy.

Was he abnormal . . .yes
Was he disturbed. . . yes
Was he almost inhuman? . . well, yes, but as much as Farrah Fawcett's death did hurt me, MJ's influence on every major genre today, including the comedy genre I hold dear, is far more reaching. . .You are entitled to your opinion. . .but regardless of his personal life, his contributions to music, entertainment, etc are far to great to act as if they don't matter.

I am actually disgusted that so many people are focused on him being a child molestor at the time of his death, when no one can actually prove that ever happened.  The man is dead--and without evidence of child molestation, denouncing his contributions by drudging up speculation is very unfair. 

The toll of artists who have cried out over this is mounting.

Weird Al Yankovic was shaken up badly, releasing a huge statement, which I will be reading on my next show. . .Madonna, Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy, Kelly Clarkson, MC Hammer, Rob Thomas, Ricky Martin, Jordin Sparks, Carson Daly, Lindsay Lohan, Perez Hilton, Miley Cyrus, Al Sharpton, Wyclef Jean, LL Cool J, Kelly Rowland, Beyonce, David Blaine, Ludacris, Chris Daughtry, Arnold Schwarzenagger and hundreds more of our favorite celebrities are in mourning, yeah it's a big deal. . .sorry if that bothers you--a person who spearheaded my idol's success has just died, sorry if I can't agree

i agree that he had a lot of influence, but i think that had a lot more to do with the promotional money that went into his product than any putative musical genius that he had. i'm sorry but the music just... wasn't that good. it's not really something you can argue but if you put him up against john lennon, the rolling stones, radiohead, even elvis... there are and were a ton of musicians out there making much much better music than michael jackson ever did. but he was probably the most heavily promoted act in human history, and he came up with that moonwalk thing, which was this total meme, and i think that's what pushed him over the top.

and what comedy did he do? the thriller video? it wasn't that funny.


It's called "Weird Al", I'm a parodist, Weird Al Yankovic didn't become big until he did "Eat It" , and then later "Fat" . . . and you say "even Elvis"  as if you are indicating Elvis wasn't a huge contributor to music history. . .I won't argue on your opinion versus mine, I like many many many bands more than Michael--but respect that many of my favorite bands got influenced, many heavily, by Mr. Jackson.  and My biggest issue with your argument is the same issue I have with many people's arguments--he's a child molester or a pedophile or whatever. . .which was never proven.  Yeah I myself have joked about his oddities around young boys, but on his death thread?  Seriously?  What happened to innocent until proven guilty, we have convicted him as a society.  As far as how good his music is (or Elvis) relative to the time, I disagree with you on that too (I happen to like Thriller and Beat It--I find them catchy and fun--and heavily promoted or not, that's how I feel, promotion certainly isn't why I got into songs that came out when I was 3)--but that's not what irked me--it was your decision to use his alleged criminal acts to degrade him. . .

Considering the only thing GG was ever charged with was sexual misconduct with a woman he was having consensual sex with... she lied, he went to jail.

I'm just a little ashamed that so many people are willing to overlook the past transgressions of a pervert and child molester, simply because he made some records.


People overlook transgressions of artists all the time.

I am with Dave on all this.  Jacko was a truly weird individual, truly.  He has many in show business who know him and are close and though they find his persona troubling they rallied around him on the issue of whether or not he did actually molest.  He was an easy target for people who wanted to garner some money out of him, put himself in the crosshairs, as it were.  The seesaw also shows that he gave more money to childrens charities than any other star who stands in front of a camera for five minutes and reads some scripted words with a carefully place visine tear.

As for talent, you have to be under a huge rock, like the Rock of Gibraltar to not see and understand that he garnered in a whole new genre within the music industry.  That I think would qualify as a bit of genius.

I have a work collegue who's first thought on hearing the news was that it was General Michael Jackson who had died!!  ::)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jackson

I have a work collegue who's first thought on hearing the news was that it was General Michael Jackson who had died!!  ::)


Easy mistake to make!  ;)

I hear that some of the acts appearing at the Glastonbury Mudpit Festival are planning to slip in MJ 'tribute' performances over the weekend...

...so it should be interesting to see what Jarvis Cocker comes up with!  ;)

I guess it could be looked at this way:

Throughout recent entertainment history, there have been certain people that have been placed on pedestals whether they deserved it or not.  Their deaths are considered important because of how they were worshipped in life.  It's what our society has done for years.  This is nothing new.

The 50's had Marilyn Monroe. She was the be all end all at the time.  Her death was tragic, people feel cheated as they lose their icon.
The other big icon of the 50's would have been James Dean-he was only in 7 films, (4 were uncredited) but he made a huge impact on people, but his death wasn't quite the scene Marilyn's was.

The 60's had many icons that died-(some of them died in the 70's) Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, to name a couple.

The 70's had the death of Elvis, who was popular for a longer stretch of time than some of the others-from the 50's thru the 70's. When an "icon" is around for a longer period of time, and their body of work is more extensive, more people feel cheated and the outcry is even bigger, the mourning more prolonged. People are still so crazy about Elvis that they still gather at Graceland daily.....

The major 80's icon was Michael Jackson, starting from the age of 5, in the 60's and he stayed with us all the way to yesterday.  Whether we all like what he contributed or not, he was pretty much around for many of our entire lives-a lot of people are going to feel this loss for a long time.  Some way more than others, and it's not like we had a warning really, like with Farrah.  We knew it was coming for her, just not when. A shocking, surprising death makes the news even bigger.  And yes, we'll go on hearing about it for many days, people will gather for years to come, because of the circumstances (leaving huge debt, the fact that he's the owner of the Beatles catalog and mortgaged IT to the hilt, etc).  There will be much speculation about his life and death.  We are not being forced to watch it.  We can turn it off when we don't want to hear it. ( Someday, when Madonna dies, we'll go through all this again. We also saw an extraordinary amount of news coverage when Princess Diana died suddenly without warning.)

As far as Michael's criminal past, look at all the "icons" I mentioned above-they all had something dark in their lives, and yes, it was usually overlooked. Part of their behavior probably came from the fact that they were placed on those pedestals in the first place, whether THEY wanted to be there or not. When these people lose their privacy and act out, it's seen as acceptable.  I do not agree with it, just saying how it is.  MJ went through a lot of public humiliation and trials, came out of them as being judged "innocent".  It's not like he wasn't tried.  We have to deal with those outcomes as well as the public outrcry over his death.  I, for one, don't plan to ridicule anyone for their mourning.  Some poeple handle things like this differently than others. It's just called respect.

he got to be fabulously wealthy, he got to build his playground estate and realize personal dreams and indulge personal whims most of us can never even begin to entertain. overall he lived a very, very, VERY fortunate life and the fact that he destroyed his own health is quite sad, but does he take any personal responsibility for that?



Becoming fabulously wealthy and indulging personal whims does not translate into having a very, very, Very, fortunate life.  If he was so very, very, Very fortunate I don't think he would have turned into the person he became.  The sad fact is he had a horrible childhood(most agree that that is the reason for his Peter Pan lifestyle) with a father who abused him, a mother who looked on while it happened, and a life long collection of bloodsuckers who drained him emotionally and physically.  I think that I am much more fortunate than Michael.  I don't have to fill that void with a Neverland.

Do not take me wrong, but Impersonators live on.


Exactly.  Look at all the Elvis impersonators still making money.

...so it should be interesting to see what Jarvis Cocker comes up with!  ;)
Another moonwalk?

Elton John should put together a recrafted version "Candle in the Wind" for Michael's funeral.  :\'(

Elton John should put together a recrafted version "Candle in the Wind" for Michael's funeral.  :\'(
I can't even begin to imagine how the lyrics for that would work..........

Elton John should put together a recrafted version "Candle in the Wind" for Michael's funeral.  :\'(
Once when Billy Joel was too ill for one of his concerts, Elton John stepped in and sang BJ's songs for the whole night.

why is his music supposed to be so great? what great song did he ever do? i'd like a specific name of a song that wasn't bubble gum pop even when it came out. i guess it's catchy for some folks but i certainly wouldn't put it up there with anyone who understood real musical composition or knew how to make songs with genuine social commentary.

thriller? is this what passes for musical genius? billy jean? not buying it.

Damn, you been living under a rock?  Mind you I consider myself only a casual MJ fan, and his personal life certainly caused concern.  But the musical talent was indisputable.

MJ was a performer.  Were his songs the best compositions that were ever done?  Who knows, but they indeed were good enough for people to buy them by the tens of millions.  His overall performance is what won his fans.  Hollywood is chock-full of composers and singers who are technically good, but you never hear about them because they are not perfomers.

This meek, sometimes-effeminate kid who was personally bashful but whose performances were electric, is the guy who tore down the racial barrier at MTV.  That was all on the strength of his performances.  MTV understood that if they kept the barrier up in the face of MJ's stuff, they were going to face an irreversible backlash from their viewers.

When you went to an MJ concert, saw his video, or listened to his songs, even if they were not exactly one's style, the craftsmanship and projhection of his concept was immaculate, and usually ground-breaking.  8)

So... even though the only MJ record I have is Thriller, and I am not a HUGE pop fan, I certainly see all the talent that this cat had and showed off.  More talent in his pinky finger than most of today's "music sensations" can muster in their whole bodies.

^Exactly

Onstage he had an energy that came from deep inside that had the power to hold you in spellbound.  It is also true that MTV shut out minority videos until Michaels talent forced them to open the door.  He could not be ignored.  I cannot characterize my self as a devoted follower by any means, but I like his music, love his performance, and can see the genius that emerged onstage. 

I can't even begin to imagine how the lyrics for that would work..........


OK here's my shot...  Apologies to Bernie Taupin

Goodbye Michael J
Though I never knew you at all
You had the grace to hold yourself
While those around you crawled
They pushed you to the limits
Never cared about your pain
They set you on the treadmill
And they took advantage of your fame

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a dancer in the sand
Never sure of what’s your next move
Like an ordinary man
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a kid
Your concerts sold out before
Your talent ever did

Growing up was tough
The toughest role you ever played
Motown created a superstar
And fame was the price you paid
Even when you died
The haters still hounded you
All the bloggers had to say
Was that you were broke and you were lewd

Goodbye Michael J
From the brother in the seventh grade
Who saw you as something more than musical
More than just the albums that you made

Elton John should put together a recrafted version "Candle in the Wind" for Michael's funeral.  :\'(

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! Shaddap!

:-X


One can argue whether MJ merited all his popularity or whether or not he did this or that in his personal life, the fact is the Michael Jackson phenomenon was so huge his passing left me stunned and sad, and I never even owned a copy of "Thriller" let alone any of his other music. 

However, I did think the news coverage was excessive.  By 10:00 I was like, okay, this is all terribly sad, but enough already!

Does (or did) Michael Jackson still owned the rights to the Beatles' songs?

This is truly sad news.

it's funny how it always ends up like this with MJ fans. when it comes to justifying his mediocrity, they just can't help being dicks for some reason.

LyricBoy gave you many points on why MJ's music resonated with millions and millions of people around the world, and you focus on his first sentence and call him a dick? ???

No, I'm not a rabid MJ fan and I DO believe he did something to those boys and I despise him for that, but I'm looking at his death from a five year old Jessica's point of view, when I used to know all his songs and videos, when I used to rent the "Making of Thriller" every effin' week, and when my biggest wish was to meet him.  As much as I hate to say the word, it boils down to this: nostalgia.  A lot of people have it right now.  Maybe you, with all your awesome talent in musical composition and genuine social commentary, did not like his music, but many many people did and they're feeling that right now.

But I do have to bring up a quote I read on a blog today: "If you're saying you've never busted a move to one of MJ's songs when you were younger, then you are full of shyt."

I'll leave you all to your arguing now.  I just had to toss in how I felt about it.

LyricBoy gave you many points on why MJ's music resonated with millions and millions of people around the world, and you focus on his first sentence and call him a dick? ???
yes i did. i dont care what his opinion is, and i didn't read his post. anyone who starts with "have you been living under a rock" loses my attention immediately.

I never was a MJ fan and I never approved of some of the things he did.  When it comes to deaths, I remain silent.  

In my opinion he lost the plot somewhere in the 1990's I've had no time for him in recent years except to be horrified by his appearance, his actions and his latest music.

yes i did. i dont care what his opinion is, and i didn't read his post. anyone who starts with "have you been living under a rock" loses my attention immediately.


I think that pretty much defines what "living under a rock" is all about.

I think that pretty much defines what "living under a rock" is all about.


I lived under a rock once when I went camping as a kid.  It was kind of cool :)

I'm pretty sure MJ was playing on the radio too 8)

Does (or did) Michael Jackson still owned the rights to the Beatles' songs?


I think that he ultimately sold the rights to Sony, after a couple of side deals.

Paul McCartney was pretty kind to Paul's memory over the past day.  I remember when MJ bought up those Beatles rights, Paul was extremely PO'd at him...  Good to see that he ultimately got over it...

That's why we say to celebrate the music and not the man. 

Me too, I remember this talented little kid on TV, and their early songs were just great



Yes, I love the early stuff he did with his brothers as the Jackson 5.

Very sad and shocking news!  :o :\'(

I never was a MJ fan and I never approved of some of the things he did.  When it comes to deaths, I remain silent. 

Dead silent?

I was never much of a MJ fan (apart from Thriller)... and never do the usual thing of forgetting the bad and remembering only the good once somebody dies.

Not much to say, other than he's snuffed it

Peace Michael..hope God recognizes you!

If anyone wants to see what Jacko will look like after the autopsy, check the Thriller video, LOL!

Your Pal,
Doc
8)

I can't say that I am fan. I liked the Jackson 5 and used to watch the cartoon on Saturday mornings. I recall the battle between the Jackson 5 & the Osmond Brothers-to me, the Jacksons won hands down but that is another story. When he was on the top of his game in the 80s, yeah, I like his music. But, I do not own a single MJ album. I had thought about getting one or two over the years but never really got around to it. I think he was a great talent and made a great contribution to the music world. However, the last decade or so he basically became a farce. Yeah, I would joke, "When I grow up, I want to be a white woman just like Michael Jackson." It is very disturbing about him & kids. I know he was acquitted of the charges but I still wonder. I don't understand why people fell over backwards for him. Last night on the news, they said that there were always people camped out in front of his residence. My thought was, "Man, these people just don't have a life." I just don't get how people can devote their lives to a celebrity.

As to his death, yes it is a shocker. I am in shock when anyone so young dies and so unexpectedly. I read this morning that there is a possibility that he was on prescription drugs which led to his death. That would make sense and it does kind of remind me of Elvis' death. I can't say that I am in mourning over him. Yes, I am a little sad but I'm not going to cry over him. 



Cat

Does (or did) Michael Jackson still owned the rights to the Beatles' songs?



In 1985 he paid $47 million for the publishing rights to approximately 260 Beatles songs.  Over the past few years, it's been reported that Michael had sold half of his rights to Sony as part of collateral for a loan from Sony. So Sony and Michael have both co-owned the rights since then. (that was in '95, had to look it up.)

I personally fear that whatever is left after he "mortgaged" it will go up in smoke.  His financial situation was obviously not good, and I hate that he played Russian Roulette with The Beatles catalog. I was very upset when he bought it, I'll admit.  Yesterday, after thinking of Tiffany, Appalonia1986, my second thought was what will happen to the Beatles catalog.  I don't know if he willed it back to Paul in the event he were to pass, and I don't know if that would do any good.  If it's worth anything now, it may have to go toward paying off his substantial debt.  I hate to think that his kids may get nothing, either.

I personally fear that whatever is left after he "mortgaged" it will go up in smoke.  His financial situation was obviously not good, and I hate that he played Russian Roulette with The Beatles catalog. I was very upset when he bought it, I'll admit.  Yesterday, after thinking of Tiffany, Appalonia1986, my second thought was what will happen to the Beatles catalog.  I don't know if he willed it back to Paul in the event he were to pass, and I don't know if that would do any good.  If it's worth anything now, it may have to go toward paying off his substantial debt.  I hate to think that his kids may get nothing, either.


The Beatles' catalogue of songs is still worth an astronomical fortune, so his remaining share would almost certainly cancel out his debts...

'Fraid it won't leave his dependents with much, but I presume the royalties from his own body of work will earn them a fair crust...

How Macca must have wished he and Yoko didn't 'dither' about purchasing those songs way back when!

Police want to interview Michael Jackson's doctor after the star's family suggested he died because of a drug overdose, according to reports. LA police want to talk to the doctor - who lived with the star and administered his injections - but have not been able to trace him, says Tmz.

The Beatles' catalogue of songs is still worth an astronomical fortune, so his remaining share would almost certainly cancel out his debts...

'Fraid it won't leave his dependents with much, but I presume the royalties from his own body of work will earn them a fair crust...

How Macca must have wished he and Yoko didn't 'dither' about purchasing those songs way back when!



They said on the news last night that MJ talked about willing his 50% of the rights back to Sir Paul. Not sure that happened or not. Only time will tell.



Cat

They said on the news last night that MJ talked about willing his 50% of the rights back to Sir Paul. Not sure that happened or not. Only time will tell.


I missed that...obviously their 'animosity' must have thawed somewhere down the line...

Which probably explains Macca's simpering tribute, he wouldn't have said that a few years back!

I still don't think Jacko would have simply 'willed' them back...too much money involved!

Speaking of MJ's last will & testament, if the accounts that he is $400-$500MM in debt at the time of his death, does not look like anybodyt will get any inheritance.  The estate will be liquidated to pay off all proven debts.

Which brings the real question.  HOW THE HELL DID HE GET INTO SO MUCH DEBT?  I mean, geeze...  He made a gazillion bucks selling all those tickets and records.  Granted, he had alot of lawyer's fees but holy crap, just how many lawyers are you going to need, even for the charges he faced all those years ago.

I mean, I could see maybe getting into debt over some sort of bad investment, but as I understand it, he actually bought Neverland Ranch on the cheap.

Where did all the money go?  Did he just blow it all on crap? ???

Where did all the money go?  Did he just blow it all on crap? ???


Probably...how do you think Hammer and Mike Tyson got screwed up financially?  A lot of rich people don't know what to do with their money so they just spend it :P

jack-o needs a bailout :o

TMZ is reporting that according to a family member, MJ received a daily injection of Demerol.

Yesterday he got his shot at 11:30am.

If this is the case I hope they find the "doctor" who prescribed this drug and hang him by his 'nards.  >:(

No matter what one may think about MJ, pro or con, there are far too many "Doctor Feelgoods" who will prescribe drugs to celebrities and don;t give a damn about the effects.  It is time to make a BIG example of these quacks.  >:(

Demerol is some nasty stuff.  They gave me a hit of it when I was having kidney stones, and I can attest... that sh*t made me feel so good, I could easily see somebody getting addicted to it if it were in plentiful supply.

This is the biggest obituary phenomenon since Jade Goody. When I tuned in to BBC Radio 1 this morning, the first thing I heard was Michael Jackson's 1987 song 'The Way You Make Me Feel.' Next, La Roux's new song 'Bulletproof' played and that was immediately followed by Trevor Nelson popping in to talk to Chris Moyles about Michael Jackson. I lay in bed trembling whilst thinking, "Did Michael Jackson die?" When Dominic Byrne (a newsreader on Radio 1) announced the news at around 8am, I was shocked. He only announced his major comeback tour in March and I hope all his fans who bought tickets will get a refund.

Later this morning, I watched tributes to Jacko on BBC News and Sky News. It was so overwhelming, even the music channels such as 4Music and TMF were paying tribute.

I wasn't Michael's biggest fan, but I liked some of his songs. I will mostly remember him for his quirky antics as well as his successful music career, both on his own and with the Jackson Five.

RIP Wacko Jacko. You were one of the most unique and influential music performers the world ever knew.

For the first time in many years MTV are showing pop videos, in honour of MJ

This is the biggest obituary phenomenon since Jade Goody. When I tuned in to BBC Radio 1 this morning, the first thing I heard was Michael Jackson's 1987 song 'The Way You Make Me Feel.' Next, La Roux's new song 'Bulletproof' played and that was immediately followed by Trevor Nelson popping in to talk to Chris Moyles about Michael Jackson. I lay in bed trembling whilst thinking, "Did Michael Jackson die?" When Dominic Byrne (a newsreader on Radio 1) announced the news at around 8am, I was shocked. He only announced his major comeback tour in March and I hope all his fans who bought tickets will get a refund.

Later this morning, I watched tributes to Jacko on BBC News and Sky News. It was so overwhelming, even the music channels such as 4Music and TMF were paying tribute.

I wasn't Michael's biggest fan, but I liked some of his songs. I will mostly remember him for his quirky antics as well as his successful music career, both on his own and with the Jackson Five.

RIP Wacko Jacko. You were one of the most unique and influential music performers the world ever knew.



Well put Stompgal, karama

and Philip Eno--if that's the case, perhaps it's time MTV remembers what made them big--they need to play music videos all the time . . .it's good that they realize it again even for just one day, thanks for letting me know, I'll have to check that out.. .

Much Music just had a four tribute to Michael Jackson.

Oddy, his passing away, reminds me of Elvis Presley, who also died early in his life, because of a accidental drug overdose.

Probably...how do you think Hammer and Mike Tyson got screwed up financially?  A lot of rich people don't know what to do with their money so they just spend it :P


I'm thinking hangers on and unscrupulous accountants have a lot to do with famous people losing their fortunes as well.  Then his extended family (except Janet)....yeah, I can see it vanishing.


TMZ is reporting that according to a family member, MJ received a daily injection of Demerol.


A DAILY injection?!?!! :o

A DAILY injection?!?!! :o
By the doctor that has disappeared?

The Beatles' catalogue of songs is still worth an astronomical fortune, so his remaining share would almost certainly cancel out his debts...

'Fraid it won't leave his dependents with much, but I presume the royalties from his own body of work will earn them a fair crust...

How Macca must have wished he and Yoko didn't 'dither' about purchasing those songs way back when!


You're right about Paul and Yoko-I know he and Michael didn't speak for years after the deal, but I feel selfish thinking I don't want the catalog to cancel out his debts-I want it back in the right hands and preserved properly, as it should have been all those years ago....yes there's a pun in there somewhere... ;)

Much Music just had a four tribute to Michael Jackson.

Oddy, his passing away, reminds me of Elvis Presley, who also died early in his life, because of a accidental drug overdose.


LisaMarie Presley blogged somewhere on the news that when they were married, Michael questioned her about how Elvis died and what shape he had previously been in..she said he thought he would end up the same way.

I can honestly say right now that Michael Jackson is my favorite male singer of all time. The first music video that I can remember watching by him was "Thriller", and as much as I loved the song and wanted to learn how to dance like he did, the video scared the s*** out of me as a kid. I was completely devastated and upset when I found out he died yesterday afternoon. Hell, I was at the dentist and was just listening to "Scream" by Michael & Janet Jackson when I found out. Man did I always wanted to see him in concert and meet him! June 25th, 2009 will always be a sad day in music history. Always. My heart goes out to his family and his poor 3 kids. May he rest in peace. I have a feeling his death is going to be a very similar case to that of Elvis and Heath Ledger. It's amazing how it took MJ's death to just bring music videos back to MTV. Who would've thought? It's also crazy how iTunes and Amazon.com are going freakin' nuts with Michael Jackson/Jackson 5 cds and singles being sold out and at the top of the charts here and there. Eight out of ten of the top 10 albums on iTunes are all MJ/Jackson 5 cds and Amazon.com is out of stock of his cds/dvds. Insane! Truly shows how legendary he is. To quote something that I read yesterday, he had everything, yet, he still had nothing. Think is funeral will be as big as Princess Diana's?

One question need answering...

Who made the emergency call?

It's been almost twenty-four hours since the news of Michael's death broke, and I'm still having a difficult time accepting it as true. It makes you wonder why these tragic events seem to so commonly take place in the lives of the gifted. Although recent years saw him as more a less a caricature of himself, I chose to remember him from a different time, when he was on top of the world and dazzled everyone with his amazing music, dancing and exciting videos.

He truly was the eternal Peter Pan, refusing to grow up as he was robbed of his childhood innocence by the vagaries of fame. This obviously scarred him deeply, as he never fully matured into normal adulthood, prefering children's playthings (and indeed the company of children) to the harsher realities of life. Like Peter Pan in his own Neverland, he would never grow up or live to see his own old age, so he will join the Immortals who also passed on far too young: Elvis, James Dean, Jimmi Hendrix, Princess Diana and Marilyn Monroe. In this regard, he will never truly be gone.

The fairy tale ended after the allegations of sexual abuse forever tainted his image, and from this he never quite recovered. Neverland was sold to settle his massive debts and in recent years, he depended on wealthy patrons overseas to help support his lavish lifestyle. A grim reminder that not all fairy tales have a happy ending.

One question need answering...

Who made the emergency call?



This is from Rolling Stone:
The audio of the 911 call placed from Michael Jackson’s Los Angeles home in the moments after the superstar reportedly suffered a cardiac arrest is currently streaming on TMZ. The audio reveals that Jackson was unresponsive and not breathing before paramedics were ever called to the scene. “He’s not breathing, we’re trying to pump him,” the unspecified caller told the operator, adding that Jackson was unconscious. The caller also tells the operator that Jackson’s personal physician — identified as Dr. Conrad Murray — was with Jackson at the time, however Jackson was “not responding to the CPR or anything.” While the caller told the paramedics a 50-year-old man was unresponsive, he never mentioned the name “Michael Jackson.”

The report is that he was "cold" by the time paramedics got there.  Someone waited a while to make the call.

Latest:

The doctor that had been treating Michael Jackson in the last days of his life has been revealed due to the suspicious nature of his treatment.  Dr. Conrad Murray, a Nevada practicing Cardiologist who has been living in Michael Jackson’s Beverly Hills residence, is currently being detained by the police for questioning and further investigation.

Well, I would say his @ss is gr@ss

The net was sorely tested as news of Michael Jackson's death spread with both Twitter and Google reporting outages.

It was first announced by TMZ, very soon after their site crashed.

It was first announced by TMZ, very soon after their site crashed.
Google had to put an online apology

The net was sorely tested as news of Michael Jackson's death spread with both Twitter and Google reporting outages.

I experienced this outage and problems in general with the net from work

I experienced this outage and problems in general with the net from work
So no work was done?

It's been almost twenty-four hours since the news of Michael's death broke, and I'm still having a difficult time accepting it as true. It makes you wonder why these tragic events seem to so commonly take place in the lives of the gifted.

Well I can tell you from my very small microcosm of personal experience.

There was a time when I was a big honcho at a manufacturing plant, very powerful job.  I immediately found that I was surrounded by leeches and people who would lie to me about anything, just to get closer to "the power".  I mean, shoot, I was just a big boss, not a superstar.  But these guys pretended all to be nice to me, always agreed with what I would say and (of course) behind my back take on another posture.

Fortunately for me I figured those A-holes out and did not succumb to their douchebaggery.  And, I might add, I managed to screw over quite a few of those bozos (unfortunately not all of them) by the end of my tenure there.

Now... put yourself in Michael Jackson's shows, with hundreds of millions of $$$, unbelieveable fame and power in the industry, and it was a siren call for every a$$hole, douchebag, leech, and thief to come to his doorstep and blow smoke up his arse.  Throw in the original emotional issues that he already had and you have a recipe for disaster.  :-\\

Check this out:

Michael Jackson, died June 25, 2009
James Brown, died on December 25, 2006
Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez, died April 25, 2002
Aaliyah, died on August 25, 2001


Not a good day for people born on the 25th :-\\

Well I can tell you from my very small microcosm of personal experience.

There was a time when I was a big honcho at a manufacturing plant, very powerful job.  I immediately found that I was surrounded by leeches and people who would lie to me about anything, just to get closer to "the power".  I mean, shoot, I was just a big boss, not a superstar.  But these guys pretended all to be nice to me, always agreed with what I would say and (of course) behind my back take on another posture.

Fortunately for me I figured those A-holes out and did not succumb to their douchebaggery.  And, I might add, I managed to screw over quite a few of those bozos (unfortunately not all of them) by the end of my tenure there.

Now... put yourself in Michael Jackson's shows, with hundreds of millions of $$$, unbelieveable fame and power in the industry, and it was a siren call for every a$$hole, douchebag, leech, and thief to come to his doorstep and blow smoke up his arse.  Throw in the original emotional issues that he already had and you have a recipe for disaster.   :-\\


Yeah, that's been my take on MJ all along.  From Elvis to Michael to Anna Nicole...if you're rich enough nobody can intervene on your behalf.  There were plenty of people starting as early as 1984 who were saying Michael has some serious problems, he needs help.  But who was going to stop him from his own demise?  Is it news there's some unscrupulous quack handing out Demerol injections in Beverly Hills? 
::)

Check this out:

Michael Jackson, died June 25, 2009
James Brown, died on December 25, 2006
Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez, died April 25, 2002
Aaliyah, died on August 25, 2001


Not a good day for people born on the 25th :-\\



yeah I read that about 1 person in 30 dies on the 25th.  Pretty bad odds.

yeah I read that about 1 person in 30 dies on the 25th.  Pretty bad odds.


Well, I was born on the 25th, April 25th, 'coz I'm a Hell Chile!

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/03/devilsmile.gif

Man, I feel like a part of my childhood died... That kid was so freaking talented... I mean, I was 10 when I saw the whole moon walk and till this day, I still say he had magic shoes... LOL
Ill always remember those great solo songs but I must admit... I loved his Off the Wall better than Thriller and the Jackson 5. FUGEDABOUDIT! They were priceldss ... I just adore their version of I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus... MY fav Christmas song and version EVER!... Except for Frosty.. LOL
... Just listening to Michael speaking at the end... The most talented child performer EVER!
RIP Michael... U were a true gem.  Thanks for wowing a generation!

yeah I read that about 1 person in 30 dies on the 25th.  Pretty bad odds.
that's pretty funny. you think of that all on your own?

TMZ is reporting that according to a family member, MJ received a daily injection of Demerol.

Yesterday he got his shot at 11:30am.

If this is the case I hope they find the "doctor" who prescribed this drug and hang him by his 'nards.  >:(

No matter what one may think about MJ, pro or con, there are far too many "Doctor Feelgoods" who will prescribe drugs to celebrities and don;t give a damn about the effects.  It is time to make a BIG example of these quacks.  >:(

Demerol is some nasty stuff.  They gave me a hit of it when I was having kidney stones, and I can attest... that sh*t made me feel so good, I could easily see somebody getting addicted to it if it were in plentiful supply.



Hmmmmmmm, doctor is missing?.....


Now why would someone not doing anything out of the ordinary in such a high profile case be missing all of a sudden??
Maybe he left the light on in one of his 'other' residences??

Why would a  doctor of all persons, be missing?

Still on the 'Impersonators' subject:

Hey! Stop it with the 'skin bleaching' and clef in the chin operation....the GAME IS OVER...! Juat pick out a hat and a glove and save it for Halloween.


Well, the King of Pop left the building , the closest one to the door gets the title...OMG! The next King(s) of Pop are the JONAS BROTHERS! :o :o :o :o 

Well it appears that "Doctor Feelgood" is a bum, who has all sorts of financial judgements against him.  Tax liens, child support failures, credit card debts unpaid, unpaid college loans, suppliers stiffed, you name it.

In other words he was another in an endless line of leeches in MJ's life.

We know how this story will play out...

Still on the 'Impersonators' subject:

Hey! Stop it with the 'skin bleaching' and clef in the chin operation....the GAME IS OVER...! Juat pick out a hat and a glove and save it for Halloween.


Well, the King of Pop left the building , the closest one to the door gets the title...OMG! The next King(s) of Pop are the JONAS BROTHERS! :o :o :o :o 








oh god don't say that. . .I like Elvis, I like the Beatles, I like the music of Michael--but the Jonas Brothers make me wish I didn't have ears. . .

AEG Live, the organiser of Michael Jackson's concerts at London's O2 arena, could lose millions from their cancellation.

so many still in a State of Shock  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PArDp5YBCs
Michael performed with so many other mega stars. I never much cared for the song State of Shock with Mick Jagger but as I was just watching it, I found myself grooving  http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/headbang.gif

If my judgement is correct, Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett death locations were 10 miles apart from each other, Michael Jackson at UCLA Hospital and Farrah Fawcett at the Saint John's Health Center, both in Los Angeles

Well, the King of Pop left the building , the closest one to the door gets the title...OMG! The next King(s) of Pop are the JONAS BROTHERS! :o :o :o :o 





Good God NO!  Thankfully, it takes more than an orchestrated pout to really leave a mark.

Apparently Michael Jackson album sales are going through the roof, and copies of his albums on ebay are going for ridiculous prices.

I got a bunch of Michael Jackson 45s and a few of his 12" singles.  I wonder what I could get for them :o
I have a copy of Thriller on LP, Cassette CD and I did have it on 8-Track as well, but I'll be damned if I cannot find it

Last night on the news they played the 911 call. They told the 911 operator that there was a doctor there who preformed CPR on him and said that MJ was on the bed. The 911 operator told them to move him to the floor. I'm sure anyone with any small knowledge of CPR would know that it would be better to preform it on the floor rather than a bed and you think a doc would have a small knowledge. That alone raises questions about this so-called doctor.



Cat

Last night on the news they played the 911 call. They told the 911 operator that there was a doctor there who preformed CPR on him and said that MJ was on the bed. The 911 operator told them to move him to the floor. I'm sure anyone with any small knowledge of CPR would know that it would be better to preform it on the floor rather than a bed and you think a doc would have a small knowledge. That alone raises questions about this so-called doctor.



Cat
he was more like jack-o's prescription drug pusher, is the rumor.

he was more like jack-o's prescription drug pusher, is the rumor.


We got a doctor who is about a mile or two from my place...

He has a sign out front of his office that says "get off drugs by monday" and he can detoxify you in a "relatively painless" method.  You name the drug and he has a program for you.  He also has a "longevity institute" that offers "testosterone herbal research".  He's running this game in PA, UT, and NV.  He wishes to "humanize the testosterone issue".  :-X

Guy does look kinda cool though, sorta like "Shaft".  ;D

http://www.1800wilcox.com/dpage.cfm?id=7

I'm sure anyone with any small knowledge of CPR would know that it would be better to preform it on the floor rather than a bed and you think a doc would have a small knowledge. That alone raises questions about this so-called doctor.

Cat


If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it goes "quack".  That's for sure.  >:(

I got a bunch of Michael Jackson 45s and a few of his 12" singles.  I wonder what I could get for them :o

The 7"s are probably not worth a great deal, as they sold by the shedload when first released, with the notable exception of 'You Can't Win' from the Oz movie...

The 12"s may fetch a little more, as these were bought by a lesser percentage of the public at the time...some may also feature extended mixes unavailable elsewhere...

Finally, as the 80s progressed, CD singles started to be issued in many territories...the earlier these are, the rarer! Japanese issues in partcular, for whatever reason... ???

I have a copy of Thriller on LP, Cassette CD and I did have it on 8-Track as well, but I'll be damned if I cannot find it


'Thriller' of course, sold by mega shedloads, so there's probably not a lot of rarity value to it (not unless you've got an original picture disc issue, or MJ's signed it somewhere!)

If it's 'value' you want from the recently-departed, then you need to steer yourself toward MJ memorabilia (tour programmes, dolls, etc.)

Of course, you may be lucky enough to find some fool on eBay who'd pay way over the odds for something common!  ;)

Look..people can be a fan of MJ and hate on MJ for being the strange and weird thinhs he might or might not have done. In my opinion there is 2 Michael Jackson;s...The Michael Jackson of 1979-1992..the Micheal Jackson everybody wants to remember and the strange and weird Michael Jackson of 1993-June 25th, 2009.

Michael Jackson was a great artist...The guy influenced every genre of music and was a big superstar. Michael just didn;t wasn't the same person after the grunge scene had hit in 1992. Maybe he just couldnt handle being a superstar rather than a meg-superstar like he was pre-grunge era. I mean Michael had been in the limelight for a little over 2 decades amd maybe to lose some of your popularitry that you built up for 2 decades being shed in a year he just couldn;t handle it maybe. Am I excusing Michael Jackson's behavior 1993-June 25th, 2009..no, but he just wasn;t the same person after the Seattle Grunge Scene hit. 

The thing that strikes me about Michael's career is he didn;t put any new studio albums out for 10 years after "Dangerous" was released in 1991. That hurt Jackson alot not putting any studio albums out for a span of 10 years. Still in 1995 when he had a hit in with "You Are Not Alone" the music video premiered on "ABC News". I mean even with 1 single and not releasing a studio album back then that shows you the star power he still had.

Some people may say why were people camped out at the "Apollo in New York" or outside his home after his death...well because thats how popular he was. Sure...Michael Jackson had his share of teen fans in the 80's but the baby boomers liked his music alot too.

(I see what you did there.  Well-played!) 

"Yeah, and he took out Harrison Ford with him!" :)

Back to the topic at hand,

RIP, you crazy, brilliant, sick, perverted, singing, dancing, choreographing machine.  For 15 years, your career's been dead, and you've been known only for your freakishness and scandal.  But today, we got to look back and remember the Michael Jackson that was worth remembering:  a pop star who (a) sang without autotune, (b) danced without CGI, (c) singlehandedly elevated the music video as an art form of its own, rather than as merely a way to use stock footage of your band, and (d) crossed genres from soul to disco to synthpop.  MJ was one of the very few people who not only sold a lot of records, he actually changed the music scene.  That's rare.

Contrast the arc of his career with the present-day Disney/FOX cycle of manufactured Christina/Britney/Miley clones and American Idols, and weep for what passes as "stardom".  Given the present-day diversity of good music out there and the trend towards narrowcasting over broadcasting, single tracks over albums, the splintering of genres, and it all adds up to the end of "Top 40" as a concept.  The environment for creating superstars no longer exists, leaving MJ as the last pop "superstar".   (Elvis and the Beatles preceded Jackson by decades, and Cobain's the only more recent name that comes to mind who coulda been a contender for revolutionizing the music scene, but he didn't play through to billions of records sold.)

Why so soon?  That's our fault.  All of us reading this.  As long as this board's existed, there've been threads where we've asked who had to die to get MTV to play music videos again.  Now we know.  But as much as it sucks, it was sure nice to see Thriller again.
Michael was a teen star with the Jackson 5 in the 70's just like Christina and Britney were in 1999. It was only with the "Thriller" album that Michael broke that barrier from being a teen star.

Ok I may not like Britney Spears but you don;t think she was a big pop star in 1999-2000? I mean how many pop records can sell 14 million like her first CD did..maybe MJ's "Thriller" but thats about it and "Thriller" sold 26-28 million in the USA alone.

Just read an interview(cautiously trusting the ENQUIRER)..saying on his deathbedED MCMAHON tearfully said to the family: 'I'm sorry I let you down'...most likely with the money he lost and having to rebuild his financial image to keep his home.

IF Michael were on 'his' deathbed..as nice and loving as he may have been..do you feel he would have said anything of the sort to those he owes(owed) $500 Milllion to?

Maybe THAT is how you can judge what kind of 'person' he was aside from being a gifted talent!

Relatives of Michael Jackson will seek a second autopsy on the star, as family friends say his relatives still have questions.

IF Michael were on 'his' deathbed..as nice and loving as he may have been..do you feel he would have said anything of the sort to those he owes(owed) $500 Milllion to?



Maybe he read the book "Die Broke" ?.  ???

http://www.craigr.com/books/die_broke.htm

Just read an interview(cautiously trusting the ENQUIRER)..saying on his deathbedED MCMAHON tearfully said to the family: 'I'm sorry I let you down'...most likely with the money he lost and having to rebuild his financial image to keep his home.

IF Michael were on 'his' deathbed..as nice and loving as he may have been..do you feel he would have said anything of the sort to those he owes(owed) $500 Milllion to?

Maybe THAT is how you can judge what kind of 'person' he was aside from being a gifted talent!


considering those he owed whatever amount he owed wouldn't be anywhere near his deathbed I seriously doubt it  ::)

We got a doctor who is about a mile or two from my place..
He has a sign out front of his office that says "get off drugs by monday" and he can detoxify you in a "relatively painless" method. 


The formaldehyde treatment guarantees you'll never abuse drugs again!

They've got the tiny house in Gary, IN, where Jackson grew up as a tourist destination.  They're hoping to create a sort of Jacko Graceland there, maybe it'll be the dying steel city's savior....

...well, it's a nice thought anyway!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/disgust.gif

The formaldehyde treatment guarantees you'll never abuse drugs again!

They've got the tiny house in Gary, IN, where Jackson grew up as a tourist destination.  They're hoping to create a sort of Jacko Graceland there, maybe it'll be the dying steel city's savior....

...well, it's a nice thought anyway!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/disgust.gif


Yeah.....no. ;D

EastEnders' bosses filmed a new scene at the last minute to make reference to the death of singer Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson has topped the UK album chart and made six new entries in the singles top 40, six years after his last number one.

Greatest hits album Number Ones rocketed from 121 to the top spot after a surge in sales since the superstar's death on Thursday.

The same album earned Jackson his last number one when first released in 2003.

Four of his other hit albums also made a reappearance in the top 20, the Official Charts Company said.

Thriller, still the biggest-selling album of all time, raced from 179 to number seven, King of Pop reached 14, Off The Wall got to 17 and The Essential Michael Jackson came in at number 20.

A total of 11 Michael Jackson or Jackson Five albums featured in the top 200.

In the singles chart, 43 out of the top 200 singles feature the singer, with Jackson hits accounting for all but one of the new entries in the top 40.

Overall, Michael Jackson accounted for over 300,000 record sales across singles and albums in just two days this week.

Michael Jackson's doctor did not inject pop star with Demerol before pop star's death, lawyer

12:34 PM | June 28, 2009

A lawyer for Michael Jackson’s personal physician said today that reports that the doctor injected the pop star with a powerful painkiller before his death were “absolutely false.”

“There was no Demerol. No OxyContin,” Edward Chernoff, the attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray, told The Times.

The lawyer, who was present Saturday for Murray’s three-hour interview with Los Angeles police detectives, said Jackson was already unconscious when the doctor “fortuitously” entered the bedroom of the performer’s Holmby Hills mansion.

The 50-year-old entertainer “wasn’t breathing. He checked for a pulse. There was a weak pulse in his femoral artery. He started administering CPR,” said Chernoff, a Houston criminal defense attorney.

The lawyer’s claim was consistent with the account of a source close to the investigation who told The Times that the lengthy interview with the doctor turned up “no smoking gun.”

Murray had not “furnished or prescribed” Jackson with Demerol, the lawyer said.

He described Murray as stunned by Jackson’s death. “He was the one who suggested the autopsy to the family while they were still in the hospital. He didn’t understand why Michael Jackson had died,” he said. Murray, a cardiologist with practices in Nevada and Texas, shuttered his offices in May after Jackson asked him to travel to London for a seven-month concert run.

Chernoff said the concert promoter, L.A.-based AEG Live, had agreed to pay the doctor $300,000 and was still owed the money. AEG Live Chief Executive Randy Phillips has described Murray as Jackson’s personal physician of three years. Murray’s attorney, however, said that although the men had known each other since 2006, Murray only came on as Jackson’s personal physician last month for the London shows.

He said previously Murray had treated Jackson’s children for an infection while the family was living in Las Vegas and the doctor considered the performer “a friend.”

On Friday, an LAPD detective told The Times that investigators had no information that Jackson was injected with Demerol or other painkillers. Such claims "are coming from outside the investigation," said Lt. Gregg Strenk, head of the LAPD's Homicide Special Section 1, which is assigned to the Jackson case.

-- Harriet Ryan

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/michael-jacksons-doctor-do-not-inject-pop-star-with-demerol-before-pop-stars-death-lawyer-says.html

Has anyone check out eBay for the MJ stuff? It's pretty insane. Sort by highest price first...

Ant

Has anyone check out eBay for the MJ stuff? It's pretty insane. Sort by highest price first...

Ant
Firstly, all the tickets for the concerts were taken down.

Secondly, there is a vinyl Thriller LP going for £50 and it has one bid for it!

Firstly, all the tickets for the concerts were taken down.

Secondly, there is a vinyl Thriller LP going for £50 and it has one bid for it!


Some of the more ridiculous things I've seen:

2 pages of domain names (100 listings) for $1,000,000+ each.
10k for a LA Times newsapaper with MJ's death (this paper is two days old)
1k for a copy of "Thriller" (not signed or sealed or a rare demo - $1000 bucks for a common 12" record)

Ant

Some of the more ridiculous things I've seen:

2 pages of domain names (100 listings) for $1,000,000+ each.
10k for a LA Times newsapaper with MJ's death (this paper is two days old)
1k for a copy of "Thriller" (not signed or sealed or a rare demo - $1000 bucks for a common 12" record)

Ant
Items are selling, even cassettes, remember them.

Sure this was a shock but all this circus is ridiculous.

Musically Michael Jackson has been dead for more than 15 years, he was a great performer and talent but he pretty much fudgeed up his own career by his wacko behaviour and his crimes.

His influence may be huge in todays music but i have to ask isn't he (as well as Madonna) to blame for the lame music scene we have now? Where musical talent is disregarded in favor of image and putting out a great video? TV is showing his music videos back to back and to me they look so dated, his music so teeny pop. Yes we can dance to it and we all loved it when we were kids but i really don't think we can call it great enduring genial music.

Secondly, there is a vinyl Thriller LP going for £50 and it has one bid for it!


I got two copies (don't ask!)...I may never need to work again!  :D

I got two copies (don't ask!)...I may never need to work again!  :D
My drawback is, I have no Mj in my collection of records.

His influence may be huge in todays music but i have to ask isn't he (as well as Madonna) to blame for the lame music scene we have now? Where musical talent is disregarded in favor of image and putting out a great video? TV is showing his music videos back to back and to me they look so dated, his music so teeny pop. Yes we can dance to it and we all loved it when we were kids but i really don't think we can call it great enduring genial music.



Blame him for the lame music scene?  Why? Should we blame the early pioneers of Rock and Roll for the Pat Boone?  The music videos from then look outdated now. So What.  Should artists stop experimenting, writing songs, or experimenting with mixed media now because in ten years they will not be looked on as the same.  I don't get your attitude at all.  And just what is "great enduring genial music"?   ???  (It is the genial that really raised my eyebrows)

My drawback is, I have no Mj in my collection of records.


I wouldn't worry...these people have a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting anything near these stupid, stupid prices...

(Unless there are some stupid, stupid buyers about!)


Should we blame the early pioneers of Rock and Roll for the Pat Boone?


Mmm...the wholesome Pat Boone!  :D ;)

'I once shook hands with Pat Boone and the whole of my right side sobered up!' - Dean Martin

Blame him for the lame music scene?  Why? Should we blame the early pioneers of Rock and Roll for the Pat Boone?  The music videos from then look outdated now. So What.  Should artists stop experimenting, writing songs, or experimenting with mixed media now because in ten years they will not be looked on as the same.  I don't get your attitude at all.  And just what is "great enduring genial music"?  ???  (It is the genial that really raised my eyebrows)


When we say MJ was so influential please tell me how has the music scene changed by his influence? 'Cause everyone i hear saying that are not a fan of the musicians he influenced.
I'm referring to how he was more about the image than the musical talent. He had some great dance moves, i'll give you that but as for songs i just don't call that amazing music.

As for genial i meant genius (we say genial in portuguese,sorry :-[) For me people like Tom Jobim,The Beatles,The Rolling Stones,Bob Marley and the Wailers,Sly and the Family Stone,The Velvet Underground,Pink Floyd,The Pixies,Radiohead,even U2, just to name a few. I know it's all a matter of taste but i'm just stating my opinion.

Just think, all those who shook Michael's hand could cut off theirs, list it, and get some good scratch!

My drawback is, I have no Mj in my collection of records.

I know I had Thriller but I couldn't find it anywhere,then I remember years ago Tim sold some of my albums at a yard sale...I'm kicking myself right now.
Side note I see that Mark Lester of Oliver! fame is the Godfather of Michael Jackson's kids

What nanny who worked for Michael Jackson saw

Grace Rwaramba who cared for King of Pop and his children has shocking secrets of his addictions and bizarre nomadic life

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6591123.ece?print=yes&randnum=1246234949056

TALK ABOUT SHOWS SCRAMBLING FOR RATINGS:

TODAY show Merideth Viera, the day after , speaks with Coery Feldman(see online), so she poses the question, you were friends and split, when did you last talk with him?
COREY: It's been 7 years.

QUICK, CALL BILLY MAYS, TO BUY ONE OF THOSE 'EGG OFF YOUR FACE SCRAPERS!'

  And NBC was proud of this exclusive?

Oh..a brief shot at ABC SUNDAY news..first story: Probably the world's most famous musician Michael Jackson..etc..
REALLY, WHAT INSTRUMENT WAS IT THAT HE PLAYED AGAIN?

Puh-lease! 3 RING CIRCUSES!

TALK ABOUT SHOWS SCRAMBLING FOR RATINGS:

TODAY show Merideth Viera, the day after , speaks with Coery Feldman(see online), so she poses the question, you were friends and split, when did you last talk with him?
COREY: It's been 7 years.

QUICK, CALL BILLY MAYS, TO BUY ONE OF THOSE 'EGG OFF YOUR FACE SCRAPERS!'

  And NBC was proud of this exclusive?

Oh..a brief shot at ABC SUNDAY news..first story: Probably the world's most famous musician Michael Jackson..etc..
REALLY, WHAT INSTRUMENT WAS IT THAT HE PLAYED AGAIN?

Puh-lease! 3 RING CIRCUSES!



I swear.....you are the only person who can incite me enough to defend MJ....

so you are saying one's voice is not an instrument? And just because we've never seen him do it doesn't mean he didn't play something... 

I swear.....you are the only person who can incite me enough to defend MJ....

so you are saying one's voice is not an instrument? And just because we've never seen him do it doesn't mean he didn't play something... 



And a homeless guy is just 'dislocated from employment'?
But in music speak , if you sign up for 'music' in school they'll make you sing?

That's a new one on me..usually musiic was for 'musicians' learning to play something and choir or chorale for singing or perfecting ones vocal abilities as composing is for writers.

OR would you say because you hummed your own song you are now a 'composer'..a little to esoteric for me....

MJ was a part of my childhood, and I've been listening to his music for as long as I can remember. 

RIP Michael Joseph Jackson.   :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(

Mine too; I listened to his music all my life as well. I even remember "We Are The World", which was a big hit during my last couple months of preschool.

Weird Al Yankovic was shaken up badly, releasing a huge statement, which I will be reading on my next show. . .Madonna, Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy, Kelly Clarkson, MC Hammer, Rob Thomas, Ricky Martin, Jordin Sparks, Carson Daly, Lindsay Lohan, Perez Hilton, Miley Cyrus, Al Sharpton, Wyclef Jean, LL Cool J, Kelly Rowland, Beyonce, David Blaine, Ludacris, Chris Daughtry, Arnold Schwarzenagger and hundreds more of our favorite celebrities are in mourning, yeah it's a big deal. . .

Wow..

I had wondered how Weird Al would have reacted to MJ's passing; since he did parody two of Mike's songs ("Beat It" and "Bad")

And a homeless guy is just 'dislocated from employment'?
But in music speak , if you sign up for 'music' in school they'll make you sing?

That's a new one on me..usually musiic was for 'musicians' learning to play something and choir or chorale for singing or perfecting ones vocal abilities as composing is for writers.

OR would you say because you hummed your own song you are now a 'composer'..a little to esoteric for me....


so there aren't any music programs out there that offer vocal classes???    ::)

and yeah if I came up with an original tune hummed or not I would call that composing... or in your book does one need to be employed in the field to be considered as such?


from the Julliard School of Music web site...please pay close attention I have bolded, italicized and underlined my point... I think we can both agree that if the Julliard School of Music recognizes ones voice as an instrument then it must be so...

Juilliard has the advantage of a student body well grounded in the fundamentals. Unquestionably, Juilliard students have demonstrated a very strong potential to master their instruments, their voice, their composition or conducting talents....

Students of voice, for example, develop the ability to integrate the voice and the text from a very personal perspective. String players must plumb the depths of a lyricism that speaks of the music’s very essence. Brass and wind players shape the music with their very breath, as the instrument literally becomes the player’s own voice. Composers must capture what they hear in the mind’s ear, shaping and giving life to the sounds of the music.

oh and look the mention Composers capturing what they hear in their mind's ear.....odd... I don't see anything that says (except humming) 

REALLY, WHAT INSTRUMENT WAS IT THAT HE PLAYED AGAIN?


Really dude, invention called "Google".  Totally helps.

After five minutes of using the aforementioned "Google", I found that he played four or five different instruments.

Once again, you fail at life.

Musically Michael Jackson has been dead for more than 15 years, he was a great performer and talent but he pretty much fudged up his own career by his wacko behaviour and his crimes.


Folks ask me how I could even tip my hat to the guy.  I said "forget about the last decade, just watch a few videos from when he was a musician, and not something else."  He died years ago.  The Zombie Jackson doesn't count.

Michael Jackson is like Star Wars.  Sure, Star Wars died with Jar-Jar Binks, but it doesn't make the first three movies any less important to the history of cinema.

Now that that's outa the way and all the respective bodies are cold... (Be thankful that Billy Mays is still cooling off and Cronkite still lives, or just accuse me of not having enough creativity to figure out how to work them into the joke!)

"Hey-yo?  Farrah Fawcett helps millions of young boys learn what puberty's all about, I only get rumors about one or two, and somehow I'm the bad guy?"
  - Michael Jackson to Ed McMahon, as the line grows in front of St. Peter.

Really dude, invention called "Google".  Totally helps.

After five minutes of using the aforementioned "Google", I found that he played four or five different instruments.

Once again, you fail at life.


ha ha! Love it....he played the piano right? I wanted to say that but I wasn't completely sure about it... I'm guessing guitar and drums I'm sure Tiff can answer this easily enough....point is

saver p3wnd..... again!  ;D

Once again, you fail at life.


Well, that's a bit harsh, isn't it?
;)

Well, that's a bit harsh, isn't it?
;)


not when taken in context  ;)

so there aren't any music programs out there that offer vocal classes???    ::)

and yeah if I came up with an original tune hummed or not I would call that composing... or in your book does one need to be employed in the field to be considered as such?


from the Julliard School of Music web site...please pay close attention I have bolded, italicized and underlined my point... I think we can both agree that if the Julliard School of Music recognizes ones voice as an instrument then it must be so...

Juilliard has the advantage of a student body well grounded in the fundamentals. Unquestionably, Juilliard students have demonstrated a very strong potential to master their instruments, their voice, their composition or conducting talents....

Students of voice, for example, develop the ability to integrate the voice and the text from a very personal perspective. String players must plumb the depths of a lyricism that speaks of the music’s very essence. Brass and wind players shape the music with their very breath, as the instrument literally becomes the player’s own voice. Composers must capture what they hear in the mind’s ear, shaping and giving life to the sounds of the music.

oh and look the mention Composers capturing what they hear in their mind's ear.....odd... I don't see anything that says (except humming) 




I see the explanation you are citing on the SCHOOL OF MUSIC...This World ReKnown 'School of music' incorporates voice and composing.. generally speakng -unless  I am to blog as if  am talking with someone 'vocation' oriented, I would say if you went to University or high school and said 'what will I be required to do in MUSIC class'? They would most likely explain you would perfect your (choice of instrument)playing and then perform at the end of the course.

Now JULLIARD,a terrific school says how people there had mastered their instruments(COMMA)voice without addressing it as 'vocal instruments'...which makes it a part of what people have done there..again an extreme example using the top of the line school which encompasses work on voice.

Also if you are a composer, because I tell a knock-knock joke..that makes me a COMEDIAN...don't think so.

Maybe a potential composer or potential comic ?         

^ Even the University of California's music classes emphasize some level of voice work.  The most basic parts of music include knowing how to make your voice go "do re mi". 

Why is this even an issue?  Even the Beatles didn't know how to read music, yet they wrote and played some of the most influential songs ever...are you going to say they weren't composers too?

Was that the argument?  I couldn't tell from all the disjointed sentences.

:o WTF ???

:o WTF ???


that was great!  ;D

I see the explanation you are citing on the SCHOOL OF MUSIC...This World ReKnown 'School of music' incorporates voice and composing.. generally speakng -unless  I am to blog as if  am talking with someone 'vocation' oriented, I would say if you went to University or high school and said 'what will I be required to do in MUSIC class'? They would most likely explain you would perfect your (choice of instrument)playing and then perform at the end of the course.

Now JULLIARD,a terrific school says how people there had mastered their instruments(COMMA)voice without addressing it as 'vocal instruments'...which makes it a part of what people have done there..again an extreme example using the top of the line school which encompasses work on voice.

Also if you are a composer, because I tell a knock-knock joke..that makes me a COMEDIAN...don't think so.

Maybe a potential composer or potential comic ?           



I suppose you are an expert then on what makes everything what it is.... Although I guess based on your logic I can agree with one or two points.... you had an idea and you wrote it down but you are neither a thinker nor a writer.

What's the argument?  :(

What's the argument?  :(


the original argument about Michael being a musician? or the one where saver isn't a thinker just because he has a thought?

the original argument about Michael being a musician? or the one where saver isn't a thinker just because he has a thought?




Oh, who said MJ wasn't a musician?  I thought he wrote all his songs himself.

Oh, who said MJ wasn't a musician?  I thought he wrote all his songs himself.


apparently being a composer doesn't make you a musician either (if I read saver correctly) sometimes its hard to find the point amid the fragmented statements and ideas.

Are we or aren't we defined by titles in the 'publc' world?

So when someone says MJ was a musician, I take it as; OK what was his instrument which he played. I.E. being a 'musician'.

Other stories may say, 'composer'/ 'singer, entertainer, performer MJ'..ETC..

I am just arguing the point which called him a musician, as it was a public news story.

If I can complete tax forms for Apr. 15 am I an accountant?
I guess Ican call myself whatever I want, but if I accomplished something newsworthy, are they going to say 'ACCOUNTANT' SAVER...

I would challenge them as well.

This was just a clarification issue and felt the writer or whoever called MJ a musician misspoke.

That was my whole point.

apparently being a composer doesn't make you a musician either (if I read saver correctly) sometimes its hard to find the point amid the fragmented statements and ideas.


WTF? Seriously, in order to be a composer you HAVE to be a musician. You can't compose what you can't play, duh.  ???
Did anyone ever read the history of the Jackson Five and how Joe pretty much FORCED the family to be at least competent on the guitar if not nearly ever other stringed instrument?
MJ, Tito, Randy, Marlon and Jermaine were all at least better than average guitar players and and many were more than that.

Joe beat them if they didn't practice...claiming MJ or the rest of the J5 didn't play their instruments or were musicians is just ludicrous! ::)

WTF? Seriously, in order to be a composer you HAVE to be a musician. You can't compose what you can't play, duh.  ???
Did anyone ever read the history of the Jackson Five and how Joe pretty much FORCED the family to be at least competent on the guitar if not nearly ever other stringed instrument?
MJ, Tito, Randy, Marlon and Jermaine were all at least better than average guitar players and and many were more than that.

Joe beat them if they didn't practice...claiming MJ or the rest of the J5 didn't play their instruments or were musicians is just ludicrous! ::)


just to clarify... its savers point you're arguing... not mine... right.

Oh, who said MJ wasn't a musician?  I thought he wrote all his songs himself.
Thriiler was written by Rod Temperton (of Heatwave fame) and produced by Quincy Jones. If you listen to Boogie Nights the bass line is similar.

Thriiler was written by Rod Temperton (of Heatwave fame) and produced by Quincy Jones. If you listen to Boogie Nights the bass line is similar.


okay he didn't write all of his songs but he wrote a significant number of them...

okay he didn't write all of his songs but he wrote a significant number of them...


Cool.

okay he didn't write all of his songs but he wrote a significant number of them...
He co-wrote a significant number of them.

LyricBoy gave you many points on why MJ's music resonated with millions and millions of people around the world, and you focus on his first sentence and call him a dick? ???

No, I'm not a rabid MJ fan and I DO believe he did something to those boys and I despise him for that, but I'm looking at his death from a five year old Jessica's point of view, when I used to know all his songs and videos, when I used to rent the "Making of Thriller" every effin' week, and when my biggest wish was to meet him.  As much as I hate to say the word, it boils down to this: nostalgia.  A lot of people have it right now.  Maybe you, with all your awesome talent in musical composition and genuine social commentary, did not like his music, but many many people did and they're feeling that right now.

But I do have to bring up a quote I read on a blog today: "If you're saying you've never busted a move to one of MJ's songs when you were younger, then you are full of shyt."

I'll leave you all to your arguing now.  I just had to toss in how I felt about it.


My sentiments exactly. 

When I was a little girl, my two neighbors and I memorized the entire Thriller dance and did it over and over and over.  I still know some of it.  We idolized Michael Jackson.  He is one of the biggest and brightest parts of my childhood.  That's what I grieve for.  I know he changed over the years, and I know he was a sad and disturbed person.  I don't know how he possibly could have been normal given the life he lived.  But he will always have a place in my heart.  I watched his videos all weekend, and my heart swelled remembering how I used to feel when I watched him.  He was larger than life

Michael Jackson's mother Katherine files for guardianship of the singer's three children, according to court documents.

Thriiler was written by Rod Temperton (of Heatwave fame) and produced by Quincy Jones. If you listen to Boogie Nights the bass line is similar.


He wrote many, many great songs...not just for Heatwave and Jacko (which doubtless made him a small fortune), but also for George Benson, Brothers Johnson, Patti Austin...the list goes on and on!

Not bad for a lad 'oop North' from Cleethorpes!  :D

Michael Jackson's mother Katherine files for guardianship of the singer's three children, according to court documents.


Well, her mothering certainly worked out well for Michael, LaToya, and Janet.  ::)

Well, her mothering certainly worked out well for Michael, LaToya, and Janet.  ::)


*snort*

Judge granted her temporary custody.

*snort*

Judge granted her temporary custody.
I understand Debbie is going for custody of all three. Apparently she has been in contact with the kids all the way through contrary to what the tabloids say so she has a fairly good case I think.

*snort*

Judge granted her temporary custody.
Temporary, for how long?

Temporary, for how long?


Until she snarfs up as much of MJ's money as she can.

The Jackson Family is like one of those games where they put you into the clear plastic booth with all the $$$ flying around, and you try to grab as much as you can before they shut off the fan.  ::)

Didn't MJ have a will?

Didn't MJ have a will?
Reports say it there was a will, it has not been found yet

Reports say it there was a will, it has not been found yet


I would not be surprised to see any number of "wills" surface.  MJ was surrounded by leaches, some of whom were relatives.  >:(  His estate will be contested in the courts for years.

I can only imagine how much money will be raised when they auction off all the crap that Michael had collected. ???

Sad but true.

I would not be surprised to see any number of "wills" surface.  MJ was surrounded by leaches, some of whom were relatives.  >:(  His estate will be contested in the courts for years.

I can only imagine how much money will be raised when they auction off all the crap that Michael had collected. ???
Legelly speaking, a solicitor should have a copy of the will, but which solicitor?

I understand Debbie is going for custody of all three. Apparently she has been in contact with the kids all the way through contrary to what the tabloids say so she has a fairly good case I think.



I heard that Micheal is not the biological father of any of those kids.



Cat

Legelly speaking, a solicitor should have a copy of the will, but which solicitor?


He had plenty of solicitors/lawyers too.  :-\\

All, of course, looking out for MJ's best interests...  ::)  

While I know that MJ could really be a piece of work, it simply frosts my ass that there are so many unethical people who are out there to take advantage of people.   >:(   Scumbags.   >:(

I heard that Micheal is not the biological father of any of those kids.



Cat


I saw a TV interview where MJ said that they used his baby batter...

He had plenty of solicitors/lawyers too.  :-\\

All, of course, looking out for MJ's best interests...  ::) 

While I know that MJ could really be a piece of work, it simply frosts my ass that there are so many unethical people who are out there to take advantage of people.  >:(  Scumbags.  >:(
Was the will for Howard Hughes ever found?

Was the will for Howard Hughes ever found?


The only "will" ever found was the so-called "Mormom Will" which was ruled to be a forgery.

After 7 years Hughes was ruled Intestate (huh huh huh) and his $2.5Billion estate was divvied up amongst 22 relatives.  The courts also ruled that Hughes Aircraft Company was indeed owned by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, a matter that made its way all the way up to the SCOTUS.

The only "will" ever found was the so-called "Mormom Will" which was ruled to be a forgery.

After 7 years Hughes was ruled Intestate (huh huh huh) and his $2.5Billion estate was divvied up amongst 22 relatives.  The courts also ruled that Hughes Aircraft Company was indeed owned by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, a matter that made its way all the way up to the SCOTUS.
Thanks for that off topic info.

The only "will" ever found was the so-called "Mormom Will" which was ruled to be a forgery.

After 7 years Hughes was ruled Intestate (huh huh huh) and his $2.5Billion estate was divvied up amongst 22 relatives.  The courts also ruled that Hughes Aircraft Company was indeed owned by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, a matter that made its way all the way up to the SCOTUS.



So that is why I never got my inheritance from him. Man, I hate when that happens.



Cat

I saw a TV interview where MJ said that they used his baby batter...


I also just saw an interview excerpt on The Insider, being conducted by the lovely Lara Spencer.  :-*

Somebody asks Michael if he actually had sex with Debbie Rowe and he begrudgingly admitted it.  Kinda like "yeah, I finally got drunk enough to take her for a ride  8-P ". 

I bet she really loved watching that segment.  ;D

I also just saw an interview excerpt on The Insider, being conducted by the lovely Lara Spencer.  :-*

Somebody asks Michael if he actually had sex with Debbie Rowe and he begrudgingly admitted it.  Kinda like "yeah, I finally got drunk enough to take her for a ride  8-P ". 

I bet she really loved watching that segment.   ;D


Was this covered: I doubt he was the 'biological father..there should(?) be skin or feature similarities,no?

Well, her mothering certainly worked out well for Michael, LaToya, and Janet.  ::)


shy do we have to bring Janet into this.... janet's the normal one.... well aside from Rebbie who managed to stay out of the limelight...

shy do we have to bring Janet into this.... janet's the normal one.... well aside from Rebbie who managed to stay out of the limelight...


Rebbie managed to get her 15 minutes of fame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MidxMUcJg

Rebbie managed to get her 15 minutes of fame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MidxMUcJg


aw holy helll...I could have gone a life time without seeing/hearing that  ;D

Michael Jackson fans are being given the chance to keep their tickets for his 50 live UK dates - provided they forego their right to a refund.

Promoter AEG Live has already offered full refunds to up to 800,000 people who paid to see the star's This Is It concerts at London's O2 arena.

Now it says they can opt to receive the tickets instead of reclaiming their £50 to £75 outlay in the wake of his death.

The tickets feature lenticular images, which give them a 3D moving effect.

Eight different versions of the tickets were printed and AEG Live said fans had been contacting authorised booking agencies to ask whether they could keep them.

Company president Randy Phillips said of Jackson: "The world lost a kind soul who just happened to be the greatest entertainer the world has ever known.

"Since he loved his fans in life, it is incumbent upon us to treat them with the same reverence and respect after his death."

The company will not be printing more of the tickets and it anticipates the originals will become collectors' items.

Ticket holders can get information about refunds or keeping the tickets by visiting: www.michaeljacksonlive.com from Wednesday.

Michael Jackson fans are being given the chance to keep their tickets for his 50 live UK dates - provided they forego their right to a refund.

Promoter AEG Live has already offered full refunds to up to 800,000 people who paid to see the star's This Is It concerts at London's O2 arena.

Now it says they can opt to receive the tickets instead of reclaiming their £50 to £75 outlay in the wake of his death.

The tickets feature lenticular images, which give them a 3D moving effect.

Eight different versions of the tickets were printed and AEG Live said fans had been contacting authorised booking agencies to ask whether they could keep them.

Company president Randy Phillips said of Jackson: "The world lost a kind soul who just happened to be the greatest entertainer the world has ever known.

"Since he loved his fans in life, it is incumbent upon us to treat them with the same reverence and respect after his death."

The company will not be printing more of the tickets and it anticipates the originals will become collectors' items.

Ticket holders can get information about refunds or keeping the tickets by visiting: www.michaeljacksonlive.com from Wednesday.

Another outrageous and cynical moneymaking scheme by the guys who don't want to have to pay refunds!

I heard that Micheal is not the biological father of any of those kids.



Cat
I would say debbie has an even better case then!

I heard that Micheal is not the biological father of any of those kids.



Cat


I think that is a question the courts will not want to address.  Since the children were born to his wife during a marriage then the courts will probably sign off on the fact that the children are his no matter who the father is found to be.  Especially since the mother gave up custody to him.  She did not give up her parental rights, though, but I am sure she will for a price.  That seems to be how she runs.  I think, considering the fact that Joe Jackson was so abusive to his children, they should not be left in that household.  I don't care if he is older, or has regrets, or has mellowed out.  Joe Jackson should be left out of their permanent living arrangements.

I think that is a question the courts will not want to address.  Since the children were born to his wife during a marriage then the courts will probably sign off on the fact that the children are his no matter who the father is found to be.  Especially since the mother gave up custody to him.  She did not give up her parental rights, though, but I am sure she will for a price.  That seems to be how she runs.  I think, considering the fact that Joe Jackson was so abusive to his children, they should not be left in that household.  I don't care if he is older, or has regrets, or has mellowed out.  Joe Jackson should be left out of their permanent living arrangements.


He hasn't changed much.  There is video of him at the BET Awards and somewhere else (forget where), talking about his new record label when interviewers were asking him about how his family was holding up. ::)

I would say debbie has an even better case then!


I heard Debbie doesn't want custody. 

Well, the word is out that neither MJ nor Debbie are bio parents.  The two oldest were invitro to Deb, though without her eggs or his sperm.  Blanket is from a surrogate with the same situation. There aren't any MJ bio kids.  Still, within the eyes of the law Debbie and Michael are the parents of the two oldest.  Michael is Blankets father(in the eyes of the law) and his bio mom and/or surrogate are unknown.

Well, the word is out that neither MJ nor Debbie are bio parents.  The two oldest were invitro to Deb, though without her eggs or his sperm.  Blanket is from a surrogate with the same situation. There aren't any MJ bio kids.  Still, within the eyes of the law Debbie and Michael are the parents of the two oldest.  Michael is Blankets father(in the eyes of the law) and his bio mom and/or surrogate are unknown.


I was about to say this Danoota! Thanks ;)

Now of course, I read this through google news, who claims the source to be TMZ.
Granted, TMZ was the first to reveal Michael had passed... but sometimes I just don't trust everything they say...

I think that is a question the courts will not want to address.  Since the children were born to his wife during a marriage then the courts will probably sign off on the fact that the children are his no matter who the father is found to be.  Especially since the mother gave up custody to him.  She did not give up her parental rights, though, but I am sure she will for a price.  That seems to be how she runs.  I think, considering the fact that Joe Jackson was so abusive to his children, they should not be left in that household.  I don't care if he is older, or has regrets, or has mellowed out.  Joe Jackson should be left out of their permanent living arrangements.



I agree 100% there.



Cat

Well, the word is out that neither MJ nor Debbie are bio parents.  The two oldest were invitro to Deb, though without her eggs or his sperm.  Blanket is from a surrogate with the same situation. There aren't any MJ bio kids.  Still, within the eyes of the law Debbie and Michael are the parents of the two oldest.  Michael is Blankets father(in the eyes of the law) and his bio mom and/or surrogate are unknown.


Why wouldn't they have used MJ's junk? ???

Why wouldn't they have used MJ's junk? ???


Maybe he wasn't fertile.  Did he ever actually have sex with Elvis' daughter? 

Maybe he wasn't fertile.  Did he ever actually have sex with Elvis' daughter? 


She says they did.

Why does his sex life and the parentage of his children matter again?  I mean, he raised the kids.  That makes him a father to me.

She says they did.

Why does his sex life and the parentage of his children matter again?  I mean, he raised the kids.  That makes him a father to me.


I don't think it really matters but they just wanted to know why MJ didn't use his own gametes for the job.

I don't think it really matters but they just wanted to know why MJ didn't use his own gametes for the job.


Yes, that was just curiosity I think.

Bottom line, MJ was the father in the eyes of the law.  Now that said, any wishes that he may have made in his will, etc have little bearing on what happens to the kiddies.  Childrfen are not poissessions that are bequested to people.  The courts will decide who will serve as guardian to the kids.

Normally Debbie Rowe would have an easy time getting the two oldest kids because she is the recognized mother.  However, her longtime absence from the children's lives do not make this all that simple.

I certainly hope that all three kids get to stay together as a unit.

She says they did.

Why does his sex life and the parentage of his children matter again?  I mean, he raised the kids.  That makes him a father to me.


Exactly... I agree with u.... a father is someone that cares and raises u... that was him.  Why do we care if he had sex??? I mean, who hasnt????
I feel bad for the kids, I wish the best for them. I have a father that never cared and walked away... no matter how strange he was to the " Public", Im sure those kids adored him and will miss him so .

Exactly... I agree with u.... a father is someone that cares and raises u... that was him.

Amen to that.




  Why do we care if he had sex??? I mean, who hasnt????
I feel bad for the kids, I wish the best for them. I have a father that never cared and walked away... no matter how strange he was to the " Public", Im sure those kids adored him and will miss him so .


It's anyone's guess as to how the kids are gonna cope with it :-\\

Why wouldn't they have used MJ's junk? ???


Michael's boys did the in utero moonwalk and died, so....

I don't think it really matters but they just wanted to know why MJ didn't use his own gametes for the job.


His self loathing would preclude him from have children with even a hint of his own (or Joe Jacksons) blood.

His self loathing would preclude him from have children with even a hint of his own (or Joe Jacksons) blood.


Never thought of it that way :(

rumors now that a dozen MJ fans have committed suicide. but no corroboration from a mainstream source yet, it could be a snoper.

rumors now that a dozen MJ fans have committed suicide. but no corroboration from a mainstream source yet, it could be a snoper.


Maybe not a dozen, but I'm sure some will or will try.  It's reminiscent of Rudolph Valentino's death, when women were hysterical and some did off themselves. :o

Maybe not a dozen, but I'm sure some will or will try.  It's reminiscent of Rudolph Valentino's death, when women were hysterical and some did off themselves. :o


They could all get together in the afterlife, and do a remake of Thriller...

As to his children, yeah, he raised them which isn't an issue in terms of him being their father whether he is their biological father or not. However, it seems the that plot thickens because apparently he never legally adopted those kids which makes this circus even more bizarre than it was.


As I have mentioned in an earlier post, I am not a big MJ fan but I do like some of his music. However, I am concerned about these 3 kids? Why? Because they are kids and I just KNOW they are going to be used as pawns to get to the mega $$$$$$$$ that is associated with the MJ name. I really hope that there is someone out there that is in a position to do something TRULY have those 3 kids welfare at heart.



Cat

As to his children, yeah, he raised them which isn't an issue in terms of him being their father whether he is their biological father or not. However, it seems the that plot thickens because apparently he never legally adopted those kids which makes this circus even more bizarre than it was.


As I have mentioned in an earlier post, I am not a big MJ fan but I do like some of his music. However, I am concerned about these 3 kids? Why? Because they are kids and I just KNOW they are going to be used as pawns to get to the mega $$$$$$$$ that is associated with the MJ name. I really hope that there is someone out there that is in a position to do something TRULY have those 3 kids welfare at heart.



Cat


Yeah, I don't know how those kids get a fighting chance.  :-\\

Katherine is obviously not a good choice, it will be all about the money and manipulation, and trying to make them all in to "little Michaels".

Debbie would also be a poor choice, simply based on her voluntary and mercenary absence from their rearing to date.  >:(

None of the family members (except maybe Rebbie?) as they are all F-ed up in the head.

I just hope that somehow those kids have/get the presence of mind to see what sort of people are surrounding them, and that they get wise to all of it before it is too late.

A measure of just how big of a mega-star Michael Jackson was, is the number of replies to this thread, which stand at 256 257 as of this writing.  8)

As to his children, yeah, he raised them which isn't an issue in terms of him being their father whether he is their biological father or not. However, it seems the that plot thickens because apparently he never legally adopted those kids which makes this circus even more bizarre than it was.


As I have mentioned in an earlier post, I am not a big MJ fan but I do like some of his music. However, I am concerned about these 3 kids? Why? Because they are kids and I just KNOW they are going to be used as pawns to get to the mega $$$$$$$$ that is associated with the MJ name. I really hope that there is someone out there that is in a position to do something TRULY have those 3 kids welfare at heart.



Cat


(A lot of people not stepping int to stop things before they get this far...1. No one stepping in saying IF/WHEN Michael dies a scramble will go on to locate an original 'will'..so please elaborate so they will have no confusion...i.e. WILL #1  and WILLS 2-6 can be found______??? And no one stepped in to take all (apparently $48,000 worth of drugs)away questioning if all is necessary?WELL, SURE NOW THEY DO!
Also the #3...He pays a mother to have a kid(s) he will claim as his BUT THEY POSSIBLY aren't his, so there must be a 'guy' who also has claim or if it was a donor... to them .but HE winds up with them and no one else says something is screwy here and it's okay to let the mother knowingly give them before having them...anyone else you know do that,or says OK to it?

Let the fights begin and don't tell me or others who read papers and watch the news..let the family deal with it if they want privacy so much!

Also the #3...He pays a mother to have a kid(s) he will claim as his BUT THEY POSSIBLY aren't his, so there must be a 'guy' who also has claim or if it was a donor... to them .but HE winds up with them and no one else says something is screwy here and it's okay to let the mother knowingly give them before having them...anyone else you know do that,or says OK to it?



The donor father will not have any rights.  There is too much social policy at stake given the number of surrogate parents out there who have children by donors. 

The donor father will not have any rights.  There is too much social policy at stake given the number of surrogate parents out there who have children by donors. 
So the British papers are saying Diana Ross has guardianship of the children in his will...............

So the British papers are saying Diana Ross has guardianship of the children in his will...............


She is listed as an alternative in case Katherine Jackson is unwilling or unable to serve.

Note that MJ's will provides guidance only.  The family courts ultimately will decide on who gets custody, based on the rule of law first, and the desires outlined in the will second.

So the British papers are saying Diana Ross has guardianship of the children in his will...............


Sounds like the making of a bittersweet tearjerker movie.  The mean foster parents dump the kids on Diana's doorstep and Diana doesn't want them and they don't want to live with her...but after a lot of nasty spats and comical antics, Diana and the kids grow a beautiful love for each other, but then the courts say the kids have to go back to the mean foster parents (who have figured out a way to snatch all the money if they can get the kids back)...

And you can fill in the plot from there!
::)

Sure this was a shock but all this circus is ridiculous.

Musically Michael Jackson has been dead for more than 15 years, he was a great performer and talent but he pretty much fudged up his own career by his wacko behaviour and his crimes.

His influence may be huge in todays music but i have to ask isn't he (as well as Madonna) to blame for the lame music scene we have now? Where musical talent is disregarded in favor of image and putting out a great video? TV is showing his music videos back to back and to me they look so dated, his music so teeny pop. Yes we can dance to it and we all loved it when we were kids but i really don't think we can call it great enduring genial music.

Thats true Jackson hasn;t really been musically relevant since 1995 when he had scored 2 hits with "Scream" and "You Are Not Alone". Is Jackson too blame fior the music scene we have now? No because music from 1992-1996 was not based on image. I think 1999 was the year that image became a big deal(see Britney Spears.)

Jackson had some good songs too you act like he had no good songs but he did mostly from 1980-1992. I think the music video for "Beat It" was a great music video.

Michael solo career wise was teen-pop maybe back in 1980 when "Off The Wall" was big but not from Thriller on. The Jackson 5 was definately teen-pop no doubt it too.

Michael Jackson appears on piece of toast

Michael Jackson appears on piece of toast




Wonder Bread, I'd believe it!

Wonder Bread, I'd believe it!
This is a different slice of toast from the slice of toast that became popular four years ago.

Exactly... I agree with u.... a father is someone that cares and raises u... that was him.  Why do we care if he had sex??? I mean, who hasnt????
I feel bad for the kids, I wish the best for them. I have a father that never cared and walked away... no matter how strange he was to the " Public", Im sure those kids adored him and will miss him so .



Wouldn't that practice then be known as 'adoption'?

A fire kills the neighbors kids' parents and someone says I will raise them and be their parent..etc

How does the law let 2 people -who may not even know each other -give kids they didn't have in the first place to someone who wants them flat out.
Forget people who 'can't have kids' ..UNLESS MJ couldn't produce with his Lil' MJ's.


You mean anyone can do this??

Wouldn't that practice then be known as 'adoption'?

A fire kills the neighbors kids' parents and someone says I will raise them and be their parent..etc

How does the law let 2 people -who may not even know each other -give kids they didn't have in the first place to someone who wants them flat out.
Forget people who 'can't have kids' ..UNLESS MJ couldn't produce with his Lil' MJ's.


You mean anyone can do this??





okay so I see a lot of words put together to look like sentences but what I am missing is a point here.....

please tell me in English what you are trying to say? because I honestly find no congruity between your opening statement and your 'argument'



here let's break it down.....

kelly says (presumably supporting the notion that MJ is a father to those kids-even if he's not biologically- because he raised them)


YOU SAY


Wouldn't that practice then be known as 'adoption'?


I SAY: yes... ^ excellent... you just defined the concept kelly laid out..... good job...



YOU SAY


A fire kills the neighbors kids' parents and someone says I will raise them and be their parent..etc

I SAY: WTF does this have to do with the whole adoption thing... who was talking about fires and why would the kids of this mysterious fire be given to neighbors... that's as far fetched an example,  which supports nothing of the original argument, as I can imagine.   

thanks for playing.... but what's the point?



YOU SAY


How does the law let 2 people -who may not even know each other -give kids they didn't have in the first place to someone who wants them flat out.

I SAY:
hmmmmm we seem to have moved on from the fire analogy and crossed over into the sperm donor aspect... okay.. I'm flexible I can switch gears..tho it would have been nice if, I don't know... you aided us by making a transitional statement or something...  generally people signal before they change lanes. But I can work with this because we were talking about adoption....actually we weren't we were defining fatherhood and how it relates/related to MJ and his kids but okay adoption was mentioned so lets go with it.....

you act as if MJ is the only person to ever have a child by proxy (if you will) what about the women who go to the sperm banks? what about the women who act as surrogates for the women who cannot carry a baby to term on their own? This is a practice that has been going on for decades.... and yes... its a business transaction...but essentially its about adoption.... oh look we were talking about adoption... there is very little difference between giving a test tube baby (or whatever) to a couple versus giving a child who was conceived the other way (born to a parent) to them because that parent (or parents) are incapable of caring for the child themselves...


YOU SAY


Forget people who 'can't have kids' ..UNLESS MJ couldn't produce with his Lil' MJ's.

I SAY:
why forget people who 'can't have kids'  is this the only reason that is acceptable in your mind?

what if-
one or both of the parents have a genetic defect that they fear of passing on so rather than risk it they opt to have a healthier child?
the mother doesn't want to give birth but wants to be a parent....
one or both of the parents have some other genetic propensity that they want to filter out (like alcoholism)
what if race is a factor and MJ just wanted some little white kids because of racial self hatred thing he has going on?
what if it isn't any of our business why they decided to have kids this way?


YOU SAY

You mean anyone can do this??



I SAY:  yeah that's kind of the point... if you can't or don't want to have kids and you don't want to adopt kids who already exist you can go to a sperm bank and an egg donation center peruse the records and find two seemingly perfect genetic matches and create a baby.. its going to cost you so you better be well off but yes, theoretically anyone can have a baby in this way....providing they can afford to...

Wouldn't that practice then be known as 'adoption'?

A fire kills the neighbors kids' parents and someone says I will raise them and be their parent..etc

How does the law let 2 people -who may not even know each other -give kids they didn't have in the first place to someone who wants them flat out.
Forget people who 'can't have kids' ..UNLESS MJ couldn't produce with his Lil' MJ's.

You mean anyone can do this??



Of course.  It is completely legal to put the egg of any woman into a test tube, give it to any man to add his junk, and produce a baby.

In fact it is legal to then take the resultant embryo and clone it for scientific experimentation purposes too.

Come on, get with the times...

Of course.  It is completely legal to put the egg of any woman into a test tube, give it to any man to add his junk, and produce a baby.

In fact it is legal to then take the resultant embryo and clone it for scientific experimentation purposes too.

Come on, get with the times...


It'll never be as much fun as the old-fashioned way...so much for Brave New World, eh?
:P

So...how insane do you think Tuesday is gonna be?

for those that get to attend his funeral service, it is free isn't it?  ???

for those that get to attend his funeral service, it is free isn't it?  ???
As long as you get a ticket online.

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/celebrity-pictures-sharpton-jackson-exploit-death.jpg?w=450&h=350

So sad but true.

for those that get to attend his funeral service, it is free isn't it?  ???

Unless his dad charges admission.

Just got chance to log onto the boards.

19 pages !!

We were in Yosemite when I caught sight of a headline in the Fresno Bee the Michael Jackson had died.  We found it hard to believe at first.  He was only 50.

Anyway, at some point I'll trawl through the messages - see if they've found a cause yet etc. (it's hard getting any news on holiday.  The kids just want to watch Disney Channel when we have a tv and the news channel with the sound turned down is very frustrating!)

We were in Yosemite when I caught sight of a headline in the Fresno Bee the Michael Jackson had died.  We found it hard to believe at first.  He was only 50.

To put in another context, I was shocked to find out that Elvis Presley died at the age of 42.

It'll never be as much fun as the old-fashioned way...so much for Brave New World, eh?
:P


Depends on what the test tube looks like, I suppose...  :P

A total of 8,750 Michael Jackson fans receive tickets to attend the star's memorial service on Tuesday.

I was one of those that failed.

A total of 8,750 Michael Jackson fans receive tickets to attend the star's memorial service on Tuesday.

I was one of those that failed.


Bummer.  But at least you have scored a karma point from LyricBoy.  :)

A total of 8,750 Michael Jackson fans receive tickets to attend the star's memorial service on Tuesday.

I was one of those that failed.


You can probably find a scalper, it you're willing to pay his price!

Pop star Michael Jackson's family is to hold a "private function" at a Los Angeles cemetery on Tuesday, the BBC has learned.

Police confirmed the event would be taking place at the Forest Lawn Cemetery, but it has not been confirmed if the singer would be buried there.

Well I am feeling a lot better about the fate of the kids after reading that Momma Margaret kicked old Joe to the curb years ago.  The story says they haven't lived together for many years, as far back as maybe 25 years or more. 

Well I am feeling a lot better about the fate of the kids after reading that Momma Margaret kicked old Joe to the curb years ago.  The story says they haven't lived together for many years, as far back as maybe 25 years or more. 



Don't you mean Momma Katherine?  ;)



Cat

I performed my "Snuffed It" (Beat It) parody at an open mike on Saturday - and nobody lynched me, which is always a good thing. :)

A golden coffin containing the body of Michael Jackson is en route from a private family funeral to a huge public memorial, and it is reported to be the same casket as used for James Brown.

I am watching the Memorial Service....

Crying like a Baby. This is so sad and so beautiful.... :\'(

I'm watching it too, and I wanted to punch the f*ck out of Mariah Carey and her butchering of "I'll Be There". :P

I'm watching it too, and I wanted to punch the f*ck out of Mariah Carey and her butchering of "I'll Be There". :P


I hear ya... all the octaves she was trying to hit.... 8-P

for some reason I am imagining that at the end of the service, Michael will come out and it will all have been a promotional stunt for his tour dates or something...

Ya, I know it won't happen, but still. :-\\ :-[

I hear ya... all the octaves she was trying to hit.... 8-P

for some reason I am imagining that at the end of the service, Michael will come out and it will all have been a promotional stunt for his tour dates or something...

Ya, I know it won't happen, but still. :-\\ :-[


I wish. :-\\

The montage is cool.  And I like how all the pallbearers are wearing the signature glove.

I completely agree!

Stevie enters and again I start crying ... :\'( :\'( :\'(

I completely agree!

Stevie enters and again I start crying ... :\'( :\'( :\'(


There go mine....this song makes me bawl everytime.....and Stevie is just so heartfelt.

There go mine....this song makes me bawl everytime.....and Stevie is just so heartfelt.


"Michael, why didn't you stay?"
OMG!!!! :\'( :\'( :\'(

Magic Johnson is awesome.

Magic Johnson is awesome.


I know right!
I love the Kentucky Fried Chicken story!!! ;D

Jennifer Hudson is a little too loud for "Will You Be There?"... but still great

Oy!@!!!

They ran his voice from the song.... now I am completely broken! :\'( :\'(

I know right!
I love the Kentucky Fried Chicken story!!! ;D

Jennifer Hudson is a little too loud for "Will You Be There?"... but still great


Yeah, she's usually loud.  I know she can sing better than that.  Still, she was better than Mariah Carey. :P

Oy!@!!!

They ran his voice from the song.... now I am completely broken! :\'( :\'(


:(

Oh, bloody hell, now I am going to throw something at the television.  Stupid Al Sharpton son of a bitch.

Oh, bloody hell, now I am going to throw something at the television.  Stupid Al Sharpton son of a bitch.


karma +1 of course!

This guy has to be everywhere doesn't he?
Riding on the coattails of others! 8-P

karma +1 of course!

This guy has to be everywhere doesn't he?
Riding on the coattails of others! 8-P


I knew it.  I knew he was going to start race shyt.

I knew it.  I knew he was going to start race shyt.


He always does!!!

"But it is what your Daddy had to deal with"
The only good thing out of it so far......

He always does!!!

"But it is what your Daddy had to deal with"
The only good thing out of it so far......


Yep, the last part of his speech was good.  I could have done without the former bit of it.  Same old crap.

Yep, the last part of his speech was good.  I could have done without the former bit of it.  Same old crap.


Agreed.

John Mayer..... Human Nature..... Awesome!

Agreed.

John Mayer..... Human Nature..... Awesome!


I'm digging it.  Sounds excellent.

I'm digging it.  Sounds excellent.


I love how he gets into playing.
I think this is perfect.

Brooke Shields is going to make me start bawling again....

Brooke Shields is going to make me start bawling again....


Brooke has got me flippin crying again! :\'( :\'( :\'(
Gah! She is so gorgeous!


This is insane!!!

Brooke has got me flippin crying again! :\'( :\'( :\'(
Gah! She is so gorgeous!


This is insane!!!


I know!  She looks great!

Her speech is lovely.

"What's up with the glove?"
;D ;D ;D

She is doing an amazing job! 8)

"What's up with the glove?"
;D ;D ;D

She is doing an amazing job! 8)


She is.  Man, you can tell she must have been crying a lot before this though.

She is.  Man, you can tell she must have been crying a lot before this though.


I know right - and she is struggling to keep it together right now...
Unlike me, because the tears are just rolling down my face, down my neck...and I don't care to wipe them away!

She cracked and I am crying even harder!

I know right - and she is struggling to keep it together right now...
Unlike me, because the tears are just rolling down my face, down my neck...and I don't care to wipe them away!

She cracked and I am crying even harder!


Yeah, her speech got me too. :\'(

And now Jermaine....
Gah! I have to get the other box of kleenex!

Send a couple this way....

Send a couple this way....


For real!

You know, this is the first time I have actually cried for Michael.
I have been watching the coverage and nothing has triggered my tears, except for this Memorial.
Perhaps it is my frame of mind - but I actually feel like I need to cry. ;)

For real!

You know, this is the first time I have actually cried for Michael.
I have been watching the coverage and nothing has triggered my tears, except for this Memorial.
Perhaps it is my frame of mind - but I actually feel like I need to cry. ;)


To me, it's been pretty unreal.  I have tried to avoid all the coverage because it is irritating as hell.  Seeing them wheel in his casket and watching this all has finally made me realize that he is gone, and with him, a part of my childhood. :(

To me, it's been pretty unreal.  I have tried to avoid all the coverage because it is irritating as hell.  Seeing them wheel in his casket and watching this all has finally made me realize that he is gone, and with him, a part of my childhood. :(


I hear ya Girl.
I read your blog and I thought I was going to break... but I still held it together.
And of course you read my rant... so 'nuff said there.

I can't even put the owrds together that will express what I am feeling and what a loss this is. Everyone else is doing a great job but for me and you, it is so much more... or diffierent, if you will. He youched each of us in completely different ways! ;)

He gave us "SHAMON" and the moonwalk.

Epic win.

Nice how we just turned this into a mini live blog huh? ;)

He gave us "SHAMON" and the moonwalk.

Epic win.

That's always what I thought he was saying in "Bad".

Nice how we just turned this into a mini live blog huh? ;)


:D

The Congresswoman's speech was fantastic.

:D

The Congresswoman's speech was fantastic.


I couldn't agree more!

Usher was really upset.

Got MJ tunez stuck in my head today...

Who is that guy?
He looks scared

I tried to watch it online but it was too hiccupy.  :(

I tried to watch it online but it was too hiccupy.   :(


I DVR'd it.
Man... this sucks.

Who is that guy?
He looks scared


You mean the guy with the buggy eyes?  Yeah, no clue, but he freaked me the hell out.

OMG!!! Now I am really bawling!

Marlon is so strong!
I don't know how the family is making it through this!

Marlon is giving a good speech.

Holy crap!!!
This is simply too much!

Oh God, his DAUGHTER is speaking!!! :\'(

Poor Paris!!! :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(

And he leaves the building to Man in the Mirror.
Couldn't have been a more beautiful service!



And yes, I am still crying.

That pretty much killed me right there.  For all the shyt we have heard from everyone, from the press, from his family, to hear his daughter say those words.....God, that was so heartbreaking.

That pretty much killed me right there.  For all the shyt we have heard from everyone, from the press, from his family, to hear his daughter say those words.....God, that was so heartbreaking.


You know it's true!

She is going to be America's Sweetheart from here on out.
All three of them are going to be the Shining Stars that Daddy left behind.

Oh God, his DAUGHTER is speaking!!! :\'(

Poor Paris!!! :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(

That pretty much killed me right there.  For all the shyt we have heard from everyone, from the press, from his family, to hear his daughter say those words.....God, that was so heartbreaking.

You know it's true!

She is going to be America's Sweetheart from here on out.
All three of them are going to be the Shining Stars that Daddy left behind.

Amen :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(

Hope his will leaves them enough to grow up and go to college and all that.  Hopefully the vultures won't get their hands on whatever fortunes he has left.

Just cam back online after watching the Memorial Service and I find it very emotional.

Hope his will leaves them enough to grow up and go to college and all that.  Hopefully the vultures won't get their hands on whatever fortunes he has left.


I have a feeling he arranged it so they won't be dicked out of money.

That pretty much killed me right there.  For all the shyt we have heard from everyone, from the press, from his family, to hear his daughter say those words.....God, that was so heartbreaking.


http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/janetramirez4756/1b2b216723378621f0f296aaeb7048da1.jpg

And he leaves the building to Man in the Mirror.
Couldn't have been a more beautiful service!



And yes, I am still crying.


http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/janetramirez4756/1b2b216723378621f0f296aaeb7048da1.jpg

This was the most beautiful memorial I've ever seen in my entire life. I cried at various points of the ceremony. Marlon's speech made me cry, but when Paris spoke...I lost it. I haven't cried this much in a very long time. :\'(

I saw Usher sing and break down at end of song, and then Smokey Robinson was great and injected some genuine humor which he did well, and then when Michael's daughter spoke, man, that was so sad. but she honored her father well with her loving words. what a good kid.  :\'(

I saw Usher sing and break down at end of song, and then Smokey Robinson was great and injected some genuine humor which he did well, and then when Michael's daughter spoke, man, that was so sad. but she honored her father well with her loving words. what a good kid.  :\'(


It was so very touching you could actually feel the love.

Did you see this during the Larry King segment? :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OSrXBSCqCc

Unfortunately, I couldn't watch the entire memorial service, but I've since seen plenty of highlights. 

Paris is such a sweetheart.....just so heartbreaking to hear her speak about her father!  :\'(  :\'(

I planned all morning to purposely miss the memorial, then sat down and watched the whole thing without missing a beat.  Tears came with Brooke Shields, "I Never Thought You'd Leave in Summer" and Paris.

Oh, bloody hell, now I am going to throw something at the television.  Stupid Al Sharpton son of a bitch.


That's where I changed the channel.... I can't stand that man.

Poor Paris!!! :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(


I caught this online later and it reduced me to a pile of blubbering goo.  Poor kids.  I was 35 when my dad died and I felt lost, I can't imagine losing him when I was so young.  :\'(

That's where I changed the channel.... I can't stand that man.


No disrespect to MJ, but Sharpton's characterization of "Saint Michael" was a bit over the top.

If you listened to his eulogy, blacks had nothing until Michael hit the scene.  He was Rosa Parks, MLK, O'Bama, Tiger Woods, and Oprah all rolled up into one person.

Brook Sheilds' and Jermain Jackson's eulogies I thought were the best, because they were personal reflections of the man and not bombastic statements.

^Magic Johnson did good as well


(you might want to buy some stock in Kentucky Fried  ;D

Ity is very telling that Debbie Rowe was not at the memorial service.

Regardless of what she did or did not feel about MJ or his family, how could a mother ever consider NOT accompanying her young children to the funeral of their father?

No disrespect to MJ, but Sharpton's characterization of "Saint Michael" was a bit over the top.

If you listened to his eulogy, blacks had nothing until Michael hit the scene.  He was Rosa Parks, MLK, O'Bama, Tiger Woods, and Oprah all rolled up into one person.

Brook Sheilds' and Jermain Jackson's eulogies I thought were the best, because they were personal reflections of the man and not bombastic statements.


Thank you.  That's what I was trying to express, but couldn't find the words.  I can't stand Al Sharpton at all, or Jesse Jackson for that matter.  I don't even know why those two f*ckwits were there (Jesse didn't speak, but I know he was there).


Ity is very telling that Debbie Rowe was not at the memorial service.

Regardless of what she did or did not feel about MJ or his family, how could a mother ever consider NOT accompanying her young children to the funeral of their father?


They didn't pay her enough, obviously. ;)

By the way, I noticed this last night while looking at photos of the event.  Maybe it is just me, maybe my eyes are failing, but his kids LOOK.  LIKE.  HIM.  Look at Prince Michael II (Blanket) or his eldest son and his mannerisms or the shape of his daughter's face.  Those are HIS kids.  Look at their eyes.  With the exception of his daughter, both the boys have the same dark dark eyes as Michael.

Here's a picture of them.  Blanket is sort of hiding, but you can still see the telling features.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson-kids8-2009jul08,0,3565493.story

Thank you.  That's what I was trying to express, but couldn't find the words.  I can't stand Al Sharpton at all, or Jesse Jackson for that matter.  I don't even know why those two f*ckwits were there (Jesse didn't speak, but I know he was there).

Sharpton was on Larry King later last night, and of course he claimed that he meant Michael opened the doors for Sharpton's generation - not that Rosa and MLK didn't do anything. I don't know if this is back peddling, but something sure stunk.... and my dog wasn't in the room farting!

They didn't pay her enough, obviously. ;) ;D

At some point, they quoted her as saying that she didn't want to be there because it would turn into a question free for all about her and the kids and she apparently didn't want that for the service. Personally, I think that because the children are being highly sheltered right now, no one can get close to them but The Jackson Family. And irregardless if her parental rights were reinstated a few years ago, she undoubtedly hasn't been close to those children at all. A few meetings or a few hours together out of 11+ years does not make you a parent.

By the way, I noticed this last night while looking at photos of the event.  Maybe it is just me, maybe my eyes are failing, but his kids LOOK.  LIKE.  HIM.  Look at Prince Michael II (Blanket) or his eldest son and his mannerisms or the shape of his daughter's face.  Those are HIS kids.  Look at their eyes.  With the exception of his daughter, both the boys have the same dark dark eyes as Michael.

Here's a picture of them.  Blanket is sort of hiding, but you can still see the telling features.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson-kids8-2009jul08,0,3565493.story


Girl - I was talking about this with a friend of mine last night, who is adamant that they were from donors. I agree with you. Prince Michael looks an awful lot like his father, as does Blanket. And Ms. Paris' eyes are so gorgeous! Even if others try to claim that they are not biologically MJ's - I am going to doubt it. Similar looks generally comes from the DNA, no? ;) 8)

I can't get my head around this whole thing, it was like a rock concert with a coffin!! just bizarre, very bizarre having the coffin on stage like that.

I thought the whole bit with his daughter was very very wrong. Pushing that poor child forward like that and carrying on pushing her when she was so distressed was appalling. Poor, poor child. 

I was able to see most of it last night on E, but they cut several of the eulogies out, which I was bummed about.  I would have liked to hear more of them.  It was a beautiful service.  So sad.  My heart really goes out to his children.  It's obvious that they love their father very much.  Paris' word's were the most heart wrenching.  And I agree with Jess and Tam - I think they look like him too.  One thing that struck me though, was the obvious love that Janet and LaToya have for the kids.  They seemed very protective of them, and I was happy to see that.  

If you listened to his eulogy, blacks had nothing until Michael hit the scene.  He was Rosa Parks, MLK, O'Bama, Tiger Woods, and Oprah all rolled up into one person.



My thoughts, exactly.  The main reason I changed the channel.  I thought that part was very disrespectful to MLK and Rosa Parks to name two.



Girl - I was talking about this with a friend of mine last night, who is adamant that they were from donors. I agree with you. Prince Michael looks an awful lot like his father, as does Blanket. And Ms. Paris' eyes are so gorgeous! Even if others try to claim that they are not biologically MJ's - I am going to doubt it. Similar looks generally comes from the DNA, no? ;) 8)


I don't think it would matter if the link weren't biological.  He is on the birth certificate as the dad and that makes him legally dad.  I agree they do look like him.  Heck, Blanket has his hair.  They are adorable kids and I hope they can live a normal life after all this.

I really didn't want to watch it because to tell ya the truth, I am just so Michaeled out it is unreal. Of course last night watching the news, they showed the highlights (ok, I could handle that but NOT 3-4 hours or however long it was of it). I must admit, that I did get choked up when his daughter spoke. No matter what I think about the guy, here is a little girl who just lost her father. That really got to me.

As for all of you who noticed the kids looking a bit like MJ, I noticed that, too. 



Cat

I didn't watch the service...it was just too depressing. I mean the day Michael died I really couldn;t sleep that night. I kept thinking about Michael's song "Man In the Mirror" early this morning as well as his 1983 or 1984 hit "Human Nature". I just feels like part of my childhood was swiped away because I can remember all of his songs from the 80's/early 90's because my Mom loves Michael's music.

Enough about Michael as an entertainer..I was touched by the sorrow his daughter "Paris" expressed in her speech. And to Jermaine Jackson..keep your head up. Jermaine has really been emotional during the last week or two...and rightfully so. That was real cool of Jermaine to wear "the glove" at the service.  I was thinking about Jermaine's 1984 hit "Do What You Do" during the past 2-3 days too.

No disrespect to MJ, but Sharpton's characterization of "Saint Michael" was a bit over the top.

If you listened to his eulogy, blacks had nothing until Michael hit the scene.  He was Rosa Parks, MLK, O'Bama, Tiger Woods, and Oprah all rolled up into one person.

Brook Sheilds' and Jermain Jackson's eulogies I thought were the best, because they were personal reflections of the man and not bombastic statements.
Even I found watching him speak uncomfortable and I had never seen him before.

I can't get my head around this whole thing, it was like a rock concert with a coffin!! just bizarre, very bizarre having the coffin on stage like that.

I thought the coffin was in front of the stage....? ???

I thought the whole bit with his daughter was very very wrong. Pushing that poor child forward like that and carrying on pushing her when she was so distressed was appalling. Poor, poor child.   


I couldn't tell if they pushed her to talk or if she wanted to.  Anyone have any ideas on what actually happened?


Even I found watching him speak uncomfortable and I had never seen him before.


You're lucky you don't live in this country then.  If there is a photo op with famous African Americans, you can count on Al Sharpton (and Jesse Jackson) to be there. ::)

Even I found watching him speak uncomfortable and I had never seen him before.


I do have to give props to Al Sharpton when he told MJ's kids "your father was not weird.  The things he had to deal with were."

Nice touch and well said.

I couldn't tell if they pushed her to talk or if she wanted to.  Anyone have any ideas on what actually happened?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNkE1ASk53w

Best clip I could find with the few seconds beforehand. (Sound quality is horrible, sorry.)
They introduce Janet, but then they turn and look at Paris.
Then one of her Uncles from behind asks her if she is sure, and you can see her nod her head and say "ya, I am"
I think this is something Ms. Paris wanted to do on her own. I honestly do not believe the family, being as private as they normally are, would exploit Ms. Paris this way. She is Michael's daughter, and she proved it yesterday. 8)

http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2009/06/my-hero-aint-molest-them-btch-ss-kids

Dunno if he actually did it but I thought this was a good article.

Paris did that on her own, she wasn't pushed, she tugged on Janet's coat tail and asked to speak. . .I saw it because that's when I happened to come across it flipping channels. . .poor kid to be having to put up with all the hate people spout off about him and everything--I guarantee you that is part of what got her to that point--even in death people can be so uncivil sometimes.

From the BBC...

The head of Los Angeles police has refused to rule out murder in the investigation into the death of singer Michael Jackson, two weeks ago.

Police Chief William Bratton told US news broadcaster CNN that police were awaiting toxicology results.

"Are we dealing with a homicide or are we dealing with accidental overdose... I don't have that information."

Meanwhile, Jackson's father, Joe, 79, speaking about the death on ABC News, said: "I do believe it was foul play."

Mr Jackson - who is due to attend a memorial service in the family's hometown of Gary, Indiana, later - has previously said he had "a lot of concerns" over events surrounding his son's death, and that the family "suspected foul play somewhere".

The Los Angeles coroner has said that an autopsy the day after the singer's death revealed no evidence of foul play and that toxicology test results could take weeks to come back.

A spokesman for the coroner's office said Jackson had taken "some prescription medication", without specifying which.

I know right!
I love the Kentucky Fried Chicken story!!! ;D

Jennifer Hudson is a little too loud for "Will You Be There?"... but still great


quick...someone regale me with the KFC story!


found the clip on youtube.

Nice how we just turned this into a mini live blog huh? ;)


I was just thinking that myself...reading this 3/4 days later... I didn't see the memorial so its nice to quasi experience it here. thx.

Who is that guy?
He looks scared


who was it???  :o

And he leaves the building to Man in the Mirror.
Couldn't have been a more beautiful service!



And yes, I am still crying.


I still think do you remember the time is an awesome song for fans... you know

Do You Remember the Time when we first met
Do you Remember when we fell in love.... etc.

I was able to see most of it last night on E, but they cut several of the eulogies out, which I was bummed about.  I would have liked to hear more of them.  It was a beautiful service.  So sad.  My heart really goes out to his children.  It's obvious that they love their father very much.  Paris' word's were the most heart wrenching.  And I agree with Jess and Tam - I think they look like him too.  One thing that struck me though, was the obvious love that Janet and LaToya have for the kids.  They seemed very protective of them, and I was happy to see that.  


If I were the kids I'd want to go live with Auntie Janet.... wait maybe that's just me...  ;)

You're lucky you don't live in this country then.  If there is a photo op with famous African Americans, you can count on Al Sharpton (and Jesse Jackson) to be there. ::)


I know this isn't the place for it... but I can't resist this is pretty funny. SNL trying to keep Jackson & Sharpton busy SNL: TV Funhouse:  The Obama Files  ;D

I don't know how they became the "spokesmen" for us but damn I get annoyed everytime they step in the middle of shyt!  >:(

If I were the kids I'd want to go live with Auntie Janet.... wait maybe that's just me...  ;)


I'd have to go with Rebbie.  And that is only because I know almost NOTHING about her.

I'd have to go with Rebbie.  And that is only because I know almost NOTHING about her.


She's the oldest, wasn't part of the Jackson 5.  She had her moment in the limelight with the hit "Centipede" in 1984 when it was impossible for anybody in the Jackson family to stay off the pop charts!

8)

I know this isn't the place for it... but I can't resist this is pretty funny. SNL trying to keep Jackson & Sharpton busy SNL: TV Funhouse:  The Obama Files  ;D

I don't know how they became the "spokesmen" for us but damn I get annoyed everytime they step in the middle of shyt!  >:(


Once Sharpton spewed the trash at the memorial to the kids -that 'nothing' was wrong(?) with their daddy...Anythiing he said after was BS...


1.The guy was suspected of child molestation-yeah, he was cleared but sure didn't convince enough he wasn't guilty.
2.He has children sleep in the same bed with him at sleepovers.
3. Had his skin color 'changed'
4. Much plastic surgery which contorted looks.
5. Had a chimp for a pet/companion
6. After death exposed with massive perscriptions that were possibly over prescribed.

No more need be said....

Once Sharpton spewed the trash at the memorial to the kids -that 'nothing' was wrong(?) with their daddy...Anythiing he said after was BS...


1.The guy was suspected of child molestation-yeah, he was cleared but sure didn't convince enough he wasn't guilty.
2.He has children sleep in the same bed with him at sleepovers.
3. Had his skin color 'changed'
4. Much plastic surgery which contorted looks.
5. Had a chimp for a pet/companion
6. After death exposed with massive perscriptions that were possibly over prescribed.

No more need be said....




so you would say this to children at their father's funeral? You're evil!

What's wrong with a primate friend?  ???  I think chimpanzees are awesome.

What's wrong with a primate friend?  ???  I think chimpanzees are awesome.


Tell that to Charla Nash

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,495326,00.html#

What's wrong with a primate friend?  ???  I think chimpanzees are awesome.



Some primates are much better than some humans.



Cat

Tell that to Charla Nash

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,495326,00.html#


Ah yes, THAT one...what a shame.

Tell that to Charla Nash

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,495326,00.html#


what about the man in the yellow hat?

Once Sharpton spewed the trash at the memorial to the kids -that 'nothing' was wrong(?) with their daddy...Anythiing he said after was BS...


1.The guy was suspected of child molestation-yeah, he was cleared but sure didn't convince enough he wasn't guilty.
2.He has children sleep in the same bed with him at sleepovers.
3. Had his skin color 'changed'
4. Much plastic surgery which contorted looks.
5. Had a chimp for a pet/companion
6. After death exposed with massive perscriptions that were possibly over prescribed.

No more need be said....

It has been proved over the last few weeks that the world loves Micahel Jackson.

Today (July 13th) was meant to be the first concert given by Michael Jackson at the O2 Centre in London.

Some primates are much better than some humans.



Cat
Primate have more intelligence than other animals.

Today (July 13th) was meant to be the first concert given by Michael Jackson at the O2 Centre in London.
There is to be a candlelit vigil outside the O2 Centre tonight.

Primate have more intelligence than other animals.



Including humans.



Cat

Including humans.



Cat
Once they get an idea in their heads, there's no shifting it.

so you would say this to children at their father's funeral? You're evil!


Hey BRAINIAC...there's another side: YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING AS SUCH HE DID...How about 'He's an unprecedented world known entertainer loved by millions..he's broken world record sales,raised awareness and money for many causes and still managed to raised well cared for and loved children and we feel he was taken away from us much too early.'

Yep, there's a lot of evil in that thought.

AND Magic Johnson and his Michael and 'chicken' speech?!!!

You mean he couldn't have someone take a look at what he was going to tell the whole world about Michael...that he ate KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN?
AND that was the greatest moment of 'Magic's' life?  Sure..

UPDATE: Today INSIDE EDITION talks about 'MULTIPLE' plastic surgeries MJ had, then they refreshed everyoneof the interview he gave that ran on ABC
where he blatantly said he only had 2 things done....ok his out was : 'That I can remember'..

Believe me, I loved Michaels talents but as a person..I have more honest friends that I would never trade! 

It has been proved over the last few weeks that the world loves Micahel Jackson.


True Philip, no qualms at all about those who loved his work.

The CBS Early Show is reproting that Debbie Rowe has parlayed Michael's death into a $4MM payout to not contest the custody arrangements for the kiddies.

AND Magic Johnson and his Michael and 'chicken' speech?!!!

You mean he couldn't have someone take a look at what he was going to tell the whole world about Michael...that he ate KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN?
AND that was the greatest moment of 'Magic's' life?  Sure..





::)  Of course it wasn't the greatest moment of Magics' life, and of course Magic doesn't think so.  It is a tongue in cheek smart alecky joke that most people got.  I laughed out loud my self.  With some of the stuff you tend to come up with to fuss about maybe you should change your name to Chicken Little.

The CBS Early Show is reproting that Debbie Rowe has parlayed Michael's death into a $4MM payout to not contest the custody arrangements for the kiddies.


Ms. Rowe's alwyers have demanded that the New York Post retract its original story.  She states that she has not accepted any payoff...

What? It has been over 24 hours since anyone responded to this thread?  :D ;D ;D




Cat

What? It has been over 24 hours since anyone responded to this thread?  :D ;D ;D

Cat


I am surprised that there have not been any blockbuster announcements for the past day or so.

One theory is MJ's descent into drug abuse and plastic surgery addiction began with incident where his hair caught on fire while shooting that Pepsi commercial in 1984.  The burns weren't terrible by the standards of burn injuries, but they were bad enough to send MJ to the burn ward and the whole incident was rather traumatic.  It was apparently the first time he started taking pain killers. 

One theory is MJ's descent into drug abuse and plastic surgery addiction began with incident where his hair caught on fire while shooting that Pepsi commercial in 1984.  The burns weren't terrible by the standards of burn injuries, but they were bad enough to send MJ to the burn ward and the whole incident was rather traumatic.  It was apparently the first time he started taking pain killers. 



I saw that last night on Nancy Grace. They reported that he had a IV drip and a whole bunch of oxygen tanks,and that a doctor stayed by his side during the night hours.

One theory is MJ's descent into drug abuse and plastic surgery addiction began with incident where his hair caught on fire while shooting that Pepsi commercial in 1984.  The burns weren't terrible by the standards of burn injuries, but they were bad enough to send MJ to the burn ward and the whole incident was rather traumatic.  It was apparently the first time he started taking pain killers. 




The Insider's Lara Spencer  :-* has been incessantly running film footage showing MJ's hair in flames.

Seems that his head lit up VERY quickly.  I wonder if that Jerry Curl he was wearing was highly flammable? ???

The Insider's Lara Spencer  :-* has been incessantly running film footage showing MJ's hair in flames.

Seems that his head lit up VERY quickly.  I wonder if that Jerry Curl he was wearing was highly flammable? ???


Then the joke popped up:

"Richard Pryor and Michael Jackson for the Ignited Negro College Fund"

:-\\

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The Insider's Lara Spencer  :-* has been incessantly running film footage showing MJ's hair in flames.

Seems that his head lit up VERY quickly.  I wonder if that Jerry Curl he was wearing was highly flammable? ???


Most styling hair products are the next best thing to napalm.

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WOW!!! Was that guy as far off as he could have been. I guess no one could predict that MJ would look like a white woman.



Cat

A Pepsi spokeswoman says they have no idea where "terrifying" footage of Michael Jackson's 1984 ad accident came from.

Locked away in some roadies closet, no doubt.  Probably the guy who was responsible for the premature firing of the incendiaries.

Hey BRAINIAC...there's another side:


I am pretty intelligent... thanks for noticing.



YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING AS SUCH HE DID...



this sentence is poorly constructed.




How about 'He's an unprecedented world known entertainer loved by millions..he's broken world record sales,raised awareness and money for many causes and still managed to raised well cared for and loved children and we feel he was taken away from us much too early.'



that's a nice sentiment (and it is based on this sentiment that all of these tribute threads were created) BUT that wasn't the point of your original post..... you said this



Once Sharpton spewed the trash at the memorial to the kids -that 'nothing' was wrong(?) with their daddy...Anythiing he said after was BS...

1.The guy was suspected of child molestation-yeah, he was cleared but sure didn't convince enough he wasn't guilty.
2.He has children sleep in the same bed with him at sleepovers.
3. Had his skin color 'changed'
4. Much plastic surgery which contorted looks.
5. Had a chimp for a pet/companion
6. After death exposed with massive perscriptions that were possibly over prescribed.

No more need be said....



so stop contradicting yourself and decide which you really think should have been said to a 5, 9 and 10 year old on the day of their father's memorial?




Yep, there's a lot of evil in that thought.

so I surmise- had you said all those things about MJ making a great contribution to pop culture and society and talking about his humanitarian efforts I would never have called you evil...but instead you suggested, implied, wrote- that a message of hate should be sent to his children at his memorial.



AND Magic Johnson and his Michael and 'chicken' speech?!!!

You mean he couldn't have someone take a look at what he was going to tell the whole world about Michael...that he ate KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN?


hmmm Magic had a story he wanted to tell.. it happened to include KFC.... are you really going to turn it into a blacks eating fried chicken thing? Seriously... the point of the story was Magic wasn't expecting there to be KFC in MJ's kitchen... this is a man living in a mansion with a personal chef. you'd expect him to have specially planned meals but instead there was a bucket of KFC... the story would have been just as interesting if it had been Big Macs, Whoppers or Chef Boyardee...  ::) 



AND that was the greatest moment of 'Magic's' life?  Sure..

ummmmm I doubt that was the greatest moment of Magics life... just his fondest memory of Michael... I mean in that moment he learned that MJ was a real person... normal (if you will) like everyone else... he eats fast food... he's almost like regular folk... dude seriously... wtf does it matter... maybe it was the only personal moment they shared so its the only story he had.... or maybe he just really likes the story.



UPDATE: Today INSIDE EDITION talks about 'MULTIPLE' plastic surgeries MJ had, then they refreshed everyone of the interview he gave that ran on ABC
where he blatantly said he only had 2 things done....ok his out was : 'That I can remember'..

Believe me, I loved Michaels talents but as a person..I have more honest friends that I would never trade! 


When that interview was initiially done there were reports following about how many surgeries MJ had... we all knew it was a lie so what. MJ hoped we would buy it... no one ever did... the man had an illness and was in denial about his looks why would he admit to the world what he could never really admit to himself...

I was OK with Al Sharpton's comment to the kids that "your Father was not weird.  The things he had to deal with were.".

Pretty much the rest of his speech was hyperbole, but I have to commend these words... well placed and I am sure that MJ's kids will come to remember them for years to come, and they will be comforted by them.  :)

Probably a bit off topic, but I was wondering what does good ole' Prince Rogers Nelson (AKA, Prince, the artist formerly known as the "Artist Foremerly Known as Prince") have to say about MJ's passing?

I tried to Google it but mostly reports on MJ's child "Prince" comes up. (BTW where and what if any correlation did THAT name come from?)

My reason being is that in the mid 80's there was a genuine rivalry (or so the media tried to make it one) between the two.
Prince's Purple Rain definitely shoved Thriller out of the limelight for a while (but not coming close to outselling it) and Prince had some not so nice things to say about MJ back then, although Prince would have to admit he owed a LOT to MJ and the hurdles and rivers he crossed and doors he opened before that assisted Prince to his popularity in the 80's.

Chris Rock made a joke in one of his stand up shows that, between the two, who won the rivalry, and it was obvious that Prince won. I didn't completely agree (but understood what he meant) but now that MJ's gone, it puts the past in a different light so to speak... :-X

Its not as if Prince didn't go through a lot of s#%t himself (a lot of it his own doing, mind you) but he didn't have it as hard as MJ by a longshot. I do think Prince tried a lot more artistically adventurous things that MJ didn't do (though he had the ability, but not the courage to risk his popularity to try) and thats saying a lot. :-X

Comments?

I tried to Google it but mostly reports on MJ's child "Prince" comes up. (BTW where and what if any correlation did THAT name come from?)

Michael Jackson was the "King" of pop

...it therefore follows that his son would be a "Prince"...  8)

Michael Jackson was the "King" of pop

...it therefore follows that his son would be a "Prince"...  8)
...or his daughter "Princess"?

Probably a bit off topic, but I was wondering what does good ole' Prince Rogers Nelson (AKA, Prince, the artist formerly known as the "Artist Foremerly Known as Prince") have to say about MJ's passing?

I tried to Google it but mostly reports on MJ's child "Prince" comes up. (BTW where and what if any correlation did THAT name come from?)

My reason being is that in the mid 80's there was a genuine rivalry (or so the media tried to make it one) between the two.
Prince's Purple Rain definitely shoved Thriller out of the limelight for a while (but not coming close to outselling it) and Prince had some not so nice things to say about MJ back then, although Prince would have to admit he owed a LOT to MJ and the hurdles and rivers he crossed and doors he opened before that assisted Prince to his popularity in the 80's.

Chris Rock made a joke in one of his stand up shows that, between the two, who won the rivalry, and it was obvious that Prince won. I didn't completely agree (but understood what he meant) but now that MJ's gone, it puts the past in a different light so to speak... :-X

Its not as if Prince didn't go through a lot of s#%t himself (a lot of it his own doing, mind you) but he didn't have it as hard as MJ by a longshot. I do think Prince tried a lot more artistically adventurous things that MJ didn't do (though he had the ability, but not the courage to risk his popularity to try) and thats saying a lot. :-X

Comments?


this is probably a good question for Apollonia1986

this sentence is poorly constructed.




Hey, he's my main man!  He could teach Shakespeare a thing or two!

Probably a bit off topic, but I was wondering what does good ole' Prince Rogers Nelson (AKA, Prince, the artist formerly known as the "Artist Foremerly Known as Prince") have to say about MJ's passing?

I tried to Google it but mostly reports on MJ's child "Prince" comes up. (BTW where and what if any correlation did THAT name come from?)

My reason being is that in the mid 80's there was a genuine rivalry (or so the media tried to make it one) between the two.
Prince's Purple Rain definitely shoved Thriller out of the limelight for a while (but not coming close to outselling it) and Prince had some not so nice things to say about MJ back then, although Prince would have to admit he owed a LOT to MJ and the hurdles and rivers he crossed and doors he opened before that assisted Prince to his popularity in the 80's.

Chris Rock made a joke in one of his stand up shows that, between the two, who won the rivalry, and it was obvious that Prince won. I didn't completely agree (but understood what he meant) but now that MJ's gone, it puts the past in a different light so to speak... :-X

Its not as if Prince didn't go through a lot of s#%t himself (a lot of it his own doing, mind you) but he didn't have it as hard as MJ by a longshot. I do think Prince tried a lot more artistically adventurous things that MJ didn't do (though he had the ability, but not the courage to risk his popularity to try) and thats saying a lot. :-X

Comments?


I haven't heard any statements from Prince, but I do know one interesting fact. According to Quincy Jones, the song "Bad" from Michael's Bad album was supposed to be some type of duest between Michael and Prince. Quincy said both him, Michael and Prince sat down to talk about it, but in the end, Prince decided it was probably best if Michael did the song himself. But man, I wonder how different the song would be if Prince had done it with MJ. I would've loved to see both of them do one song together. Damn...

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If it had gone this way, he would've really ressembled his brother Marlon.

US drug agency officials investigating the death of pop star Michael Jackson raid the clinic of his doctor, Conrad Murray.

I haven't heard any statements from Prince, but I do know one interesting fact. According to Quincy Jones, the song "Bad" from Michael's Bad album was supposed to be some type of duest between Michael and Prince. Quincy said both him, Michael and Prince sat down to talk about it, but in the end, Prince decided it was probably best if Michael did the song himself. But man, I wonder how different the song would be if Prince had done it with MJ. I would've loved to see both of them do one song together. Damn...


Yes I recall that story.

In the duet version, MJ was going to sing the line "Your ass is mine" and Prince refused to go along with that, and that's what queered the deal.

I still have some of the Jackson 5 45s from my childhood. I prefer to remember Michael with the magenta hat and purple fringe vest from when I was a little girl.  When I saw that vest, I had to have one, but mine was brown suede with fringe.  8)  I hate how his life got so screwed up after the abuse he endured from his father and the Pepsi commercial incident.  Sure, he was odd, wierd, whatever you want to call him, but he's dead now, so what's the point really.

I just want to modify this by saying, I don't mean, what's the point of this thread. I mean whats the point of the media dragging him through the mud now? They almost seem to be annoyed that we don't know anything yet. When it's time for us to know,  we will know. It's just all too sad.

If it had gone this way, he would've really ressembled his brother Marlon.

Yep...not very well predicted, huh? ::)

From the news accounts, it sounds like MJ's live in doctor/quack is headed for a cruise up crap creek, without a paddle.

Search warrants served at his Houston office and the place was raided.

Just heard. Katherine Jackson went to court to fight for the custody of Walter Cronkite's kids!
Aren't they over 50yrs. old now? Don't think she can do that. >:(

Just heard. Katherine Jackson went to court to fight for the custody of Walter Cronkite's kids!
Aren't they over 50yrs. old now? Don't think she can do that. >:(


Hey, if they gots money...

Just heard. Katherine Jackson went to court to fight for the custody of Walter Cronkite's kids!
Aren't they over 50yrs. old now? Don't think she can do that. >:(


Wow, you're..............dumb.

Q: You wrote that no current celebrity would get the same reaction as Michael Jackson did when he died. What about Oprah? I'm thinking that the entire free world might stop.
-- Tom K., Red Bank, N.J.

SG: She wouldn't top Michael because Oprah wasn't an artist; the music and videos were what made Michael's death resonate for three solid weeks. But you made me think of something: Did you ever notice how the first 72 hours after a tragedy or a death that gets 24/7 coverage is always the best time for other celebs to get in trouble? For instance, if I were Mel Gibson and wanted to get another completely inappropriate, possibly career-ending drunken rant to police officers out of my system, or if was Christian Bale and felt like reaming out the prop guy on my movie set, you'd definitely pick the 72-hour Post-Megatragedy window, right?

From the ESPN Sports Guy's mailbag ;D

Flash mob "Beat It" - tribute to Michael Jackson @ mongkok hong kong on You Tube

MJ's Doctor didn't kill MJ, Macaulay Culkin did ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILjJDcI2Em8

Police search the home of Michael Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, as part of a manslaughter probe into the singer's death.

Police searching the home of Michael Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, seize mobile phones and a computer hard-drive, his lawyer says.

That did suck. :\'(

I wonder who owns The Beatles songs? :-\\

I wonder who owns The Beatles songs? :-\\
This subject was raised I think earlier in this topic, I will try and find the response.

This subject was raised I think earlier in this topic, I will try and find the response.


Thanks.

I know I haven't been on this site for awhile. This has been a bad year for me and I lost it on forum sites.

I knew I had learned the hard way, so what happens in my life is my own damn business.

Thanks.

I know I haven't been on this site for awhile. This has been a bad year for me and I lost it on forum sites.

I knew I had learned the hard way, so what happens in my life is my own damn business.
I understand.

I wonder who owns The Beatles songs? :-\\
Michael Jackson's stake in ATV/Sony which owns the copyrights to 251 Beatles songs is facing scrutiny. While his death is still shrouded in mystery, focus is also turning to the star's complicated estate, finances and mounting debts. One of the more lucrative and shrewd investments he made was in ATV Music in 1985. He bought the firm, which owned copyrights to the entire Beatles back catalogue, songs such as Bob Dylan's Blowin' In The Wind, and the works of Joni Mitchell and Fleetwood Mac star Stevie Nicks - all for £28.8million. In the 1990s he sold half of the company to Sony for more than £90million. The joint venture is now estimated to be worth around £500million. This stake is thought to have been his biggest financial asset. As his debts spiralled he used his stake in ATV/Sony as collateral to secure £120million in borrowings from the Fortress Investment Group


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195744/Question-mark-Jacksons-stake-500m-company-owns-Beatles-songs.html#ixzz0MfhkZ2Pc

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