The Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125 (also known as "the Choral"), is Ludwig van Beethoven's final complete symphony. Completed in 1824, the symphony is one of the best-known works in classical music. Among critics, it is almost universally considered Beethoven's greatest work, and many consider it one of the greatest compositions in the western musical canon.

The symphony was the first example of a major composer using voices in a symphony (thus making it a choral symphony). The words are sung during the final movement by four vocal soloists and a chorus. They were taken from the "Ode to Joy", a poem written by Friedrich Schiller in 1785 and revised in 1803, with additions made by the composer. Today, it stands as one of the most played symphonies in the world.

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I wonder if you know more about 1700s and 1800s music, Philip. Was there ever a 'bad' or stagnant era for music during those days? 

I don't know anything about music before 1910.

I wonder if you know more about 1700s and 1800s music, Philip. Was there ever a 'bad' or stagnant era for music during those days? 

I don't know anything about music before 1910.
Back then, the classical music was for the upper circles of society, and not reaching the lower classes.

One quote,  and I do not know who originally said it sums it up for me.

"Mozart wrote his music to pay the rent, Beethoven wrote his music to be remembered."

Back then, the classical music was for the upper circles of society, and not reaching the lower classes.

One quote,  and I do not know who originally said it sums it up for me.

"Mozart wrote his music to pay the rent, Beethoven wrote his music to be remembered."


So there was no 'popular' music for the masses? Only for upper classes?

So there was no 'popular' music for the masses? Only for upper classes?
Music had it variety, the poor had country jigs to dance to.

Good enough explanations for me. Thank you.

Also, it has to be understood the Beethoven at the time if composing his 9th Symphony was completely deaf.

Also, it has to be understood the Beethoven at the time if composing his 9th Symphony was completely deaf.


He must have been instilled with talent from the Gods.  :o

He must have been instilled with talent from the Gods.  :o
He was a complete genius.

So there was no 'popular' music for the masses? Only for upper classes?
I forgot to mention there was music in churches for religious purposes.

I forgot to mention there was music in churches for religious purposes.


Hallelujah!

Hallelujah!
...the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah was much earlier.

Hallelujah!

...the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah was much earlier.
Which has been around mentioned in 1741: The Year In Music.

Also, it has to be understood the Beethoven at the time if composing his 9th Symphony was completely deaf.


Did he compose his 5th Symphony? ???

Did he compose his 5th Symphony? ???
Yes, he completed in 1808.

I heard that Beethoven could be kind of cranky sometimes. I think that he was mad he was going deaf. I'd be a bit cranky too.  ::)  ::)

I heard that Beethoven could be kind of cranky sometimes. I think that he was mad he was going deaf. I'd be a bit cranky too.  ::)  ::)
Beethoven never married, reasons why are not known, and liked his walks in the countryside, but was inspired by them walks. He was obsessed with the number of beans to make his cup of coffee, the number had to be right, no more, no less.

BTW, I must look up more on his personal life.

I heard that Beethoven could be kind of cranky sometimes. I think that he was mad he was going deaf. I'd be a bit cranky too.  ::)  ::)


Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?

Beethoven never married, reasons why are not known, and liked his walks in the countryside, but was inspired by them walks. He was obsessed with the number of beans to make his cup of coffee, the number had to be right, no more, no less.

BTW, I must look up more on his personal life.


So he was a bit OCD?

Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?
It was ear trumpets in those days, I have to find out if he had one.

Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?


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Beethoven had been increasingly battling hearing difficulties since he was thirty. In 1813 he had Johann Nepomuk Mälzel, an inventor of mechanical devices, produce several ear trumpets. They did not, however, prove very useful. Yet for a long time he placed his hopes on "hearing machines".

The Beethoven Haas Museum is in Bonn, Germany.

Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?


What Philip said, I don't know anything about Beethoven.

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Beethoven had been increasingly battling hearing difficulties since he was thirty. In 1813 he had Johann Nepomuk Mälzel, an inventor of mechanical devices, produce several ear trumpets. They did not, however, prove very useful. Yet for a long time he placed his hopes on "hearing machines".

The Beethoven Haas Museum is in Bonn, Germany.


Why did he steadily become deaf?  ???

Why did he steadily become deaf?  ???
From:

"Around 1796, by the age of 26, Beethoven began to lose his hearing. He suffered from a severe form of tinnitus, a "ringing" in his ears that made it hard for him to hear music; he also tried to avoid conversations. The cause of Beethoven's deafness is unknown, but it has variously been attributed to typhus, auto-immune disorders (such as systemic lupus erythematosus), and even his habit of immersing his head in cold water to stay awake. The explanation from Beethoven's autopsy was that he had a "distended inner ear," which developed lesions over time."

It was ear trumpets in those days, I have to find out if he had one.


Do they still sell ear trumpets?

Basically, the 1700s and 1800s are just the best times for classical music. Even though nobody ever complain on how bad it is, since nobody really founded any of Beethoven's fan letters. Or, maybe nobody really knows where he lived (even though he mostly lived in Germany and Austria, that's what I know).

Basically, the 1700s and 1800s are just the best times for classical music.
For me it is, The crossover from the Classical Era to the Romantic Era.

Even though nobody ever complain on how bad it is, since nobody really founded any of Beethoven's fan letters.

Beethoven lived at the time of no fan base societies.

Out of interest the first 'star performer' of the Romantic Era was composer, virtuoso pianist, conductor Franz Liszt, when he performed it was sold concerts and he was mobbed like rock stars today.

From:

"Around 1796, by the age of 26, Beethoven began to lose his hearing. He suffered from a severe form of tinnitus, a "ringing" in his ears that made it hard for him to hear music; he also tried to avoid conversations. The cause of Beethoven's deafness is unknown, but it has variously been attributed to typhus, auto-immune disorders (such as systemic lupus erythematosus), and even his habit of immersing his head in cold water to stay awake. The explanation from Beethoven's autopsy was that he had a "distended inner ear," which developed lesions over time."


I really like music history. This was interesante.

I really like music history. This was interesante.
I wish I studied music when I was younger, but back then I would never know the knowledge I would learn as now.

Beethoven lived at the time of no fan base societies.

Out of interest the first 'star performer' of the Romantic Era was composer, virtuoso pianist, conductor Franz Liszt, when he performed it was sold concerts and he was mobbed like rock stars today.


How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?

How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?
Knowing his traits, he would probably shun them.

Knowing his traits, he would probably shun them.


He wouldn't like being tweeted?

He wouldn't like being tweeted?
No, he seemed to be a loner, I believe he hated other people.

Beethoven lived at the time of no fan base societies.

Out of interest the first 'star performer' of the Romantic Era was composer, virtuoso pianist, conductor Franz Liszt, when he performed it was sold concerts and he was mobbed like rock stars today.


Well, they had mail back then. So, some people who were big fans of him possibly tried to send him fan letters (not saying that they did, since there's no evidence proving that he had fan letters).

No, he seemed to be a loner, I believe he hated other people.


I know that it's the truth, but the truth is sometimes funny.  ;D

How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?



:.Beethoven has accepted your friend request:.

How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?


For Facebook, I think he would only have a few friends, like Mozart or someone else. For Twitter, I think he'll be tweeting on what's he doing in life and his updates on upcoming symphonies.

For Facebook, I think he would only have a few friends, like Mozart or someone else. For Twitter, I think he'll be tweeting on what's he doing in life and his updates on upcoming symphonies.
Beethoven did meet Mozart at the age of 16.

http://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/beethoven-and-mozart/

Beethoven was to busy composing to be tweeting.

No, he seemed to be a loner, I believe he hated other people.


So he never had friends?

For Facebook, I think he would only have a few friends, like Mozart or someone else. For Twitter, I think he'll be tweeting on what's he doing in life and his updates on upcoming symphonies.


It would be funny seeing Beethoven doing Twitter. ;D

So he never had friends?
He detested the fact when he became guardian to his nephew.

He detested the fact when he became guardian to his nephew.


Did he have a family?

Did he have a family?
He did not marry, I do not how many siblings.

He did not marry, I do not how many siblings.


So he just lived alone? ???

Beethoven did meet Mozart at the age of 16.

http://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/beethoven-and-mozart/

Beethoven was to busy composing to be tweeting.


So, I guess Mozart would be one of his friends if they had Facebook.

So, I guess Mozart would be one of his friends if they had Facebook.
Up to a certain point, Mozart died when Beethoven was 21 in 1791. Beethoven started composing at the age of 12, his major works of symphonies and concertos were composed long after 1791.

So, I guess Mozart would be one of his friends if they had Facebook.


What would've he had tweeted about?

What would've he had tweeted about?
They music?

They music?


He would hashtag alot.

He would hashtag alot.
Was the hashtag invented then?

He would hashtag alot.


#WriteSymphoniesEveryDay

He would hashtag alot.
The earliest reference to hashtsag I can see is 1964.

From Wiki:

"Octothorp, octothorpe, octathorp, octatherp
Used by Bell Labs engineers by 1968. Lauren Asplund says that he and a colleague were the source of octothorp at AT&T engineering in New York in 1964. The Merriam-Webster New Book of Word Histories, 1991, has a long article that is consistent with Doug Kerr's essay, in that it says "octotherp" was the original spelling, and that the word arose in the 1960s among telephone engineers as a joke. The first appearance of "octothorp" in a US patent is in a 1973 filing which also refers to the six-pointed asterisk (✻) used on telephone buttons as a "sextile"."

and
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lasplund

Was the hashtag invented then?


I don't think so in the 1800's. ???

I don't think so in the 1800's. ???
Exactly!

The Duetto buffo di due gatti ("humorous duet for two cats") is a popular performance piece for two sopranos which is often performed as a concert encore. The "lyrics" consist entirely of the repeated word "miau" ("meow"). Sometimes it is also performed by a soprano and a tenor, or a soprano and a bass.While the piece is typically attributed to Gioachino Rossini, it was not actually written by him, but is instead a compilation written in 1825 that draws principally on his 1816 opera, Otello. Hubert Hunt putatively claims that the compiler was Robert Lucas de Pearsall, who for this purpose adopted the pseudonym "G. Berthold".

Here performed by Victoria de los Ángeles (soprano), Elisabeth Schwarzkopf (soprano), Gerald Moore (piano), from 1969.
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"Where Did You Get That Hat?" is a comic song which was composed and first performed by Joseph J. Sullivan at Miner's Eighth Avenue Theatre in 1888. It was a great success and has since been performed by many others including J. C. Heffron, Stanley Holloway and Dave Barnes. The song is now also a very popular piece performed for musical theatre exams (grades 4 to 8) and music hall concerts.

"Any Old Iron" is a British music hall song written by Charles Collins, Fred E. Terry and E.A. Sheppard, with deep Internet searching, I cannot located a publication date for this song.

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My favs of Beethoven's:

-6th Symphony (Pastoral)
-9th Symphony (Ode to Joy)
-Für Elise

But my all-time favorite is this one. If I were to EVER be able to play a piece on the piano, it would be this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU 


And when I hear it, I can't help think of THIS:  :D ;D ;D ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toyLQzd8HrY

FYI, I did have an Aunt Marion but she never said anything about marrying a musician. lol.


Cat 

My favs of Beethoven's:

-6th Symphony (Pastoral)
-9th Symphony (Ode to Joy)
-Für Elise

But my all-time favorite is this one. If I were to EVER be able to play a piece on the piano, it would be this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU 


And when I hear it, I can't help think of THIS:  :D ;D ;D ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toyLQzd8HrY

FYI, I did have an Aunt Marion but she never said anything about marrying a musician. lol.


Cat 
I just recently saw "The Peanuts Movie" and I had totally forgotten about Schroeder adoration for Beethoven.

btw, your chosen symphonies are the same favourites for me.

Let's have a talk about the horrible racism in the so-called "Coon songs" of back then :)?

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The Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op. 78, was completed by Camille Saint-Saëns in 1886 at what was probably the artistic peak of his career. It is also popularly known as the Organ Symphony, even though it is not a true symphony for organ, but simply an orchestral symphony where two sections out of four use the pipe organ. The composer inscribed it as: Symphonie No. 3 "avec orgue" (with organ). The symphony was commissioned by the Royal Philharmonic Society in England, and the first performance was given in London on 19 May 1886, at St James's Hall, conducted by the composer. After the death of his friend Franz Liszt on 31 July 1886, Saint-Saëns dedicated the work to Liszt's memory. The composer also conducted the French premiere in January 1887. The entire main theme of the Maestoso was later adapted and used in the 1977 pop-song "If I Had Words" by Scott Fitzgerald and Yvonne Keeley. The song and the symphony were used as the main theme in the 1995 family film Babe and its 1998 sequel Babe: Pig in the City and can be heard in the 1989 comedy, How to Get Ahead in Advertising.



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"Aura Lea" (sometimes spelled "Aura Lee") is an American Civil War song about a maiden. It was written in 1861 by W. W. Fosdick (lyrics) and George R. Poulton (music). The tune is familiar to modern audiences from the 1956 Elvis Presley #1 hit "Love Me Tender" with new lyrics by Ken Darby, a derivative adaptation of the original. A later Presley recording for the film The Trouble with Girls entitled "Violet (Flower of N.Y.U.)" also used the melody of "Aura Lea".

Here sung by Jim Reeves in the 1950s, and predates Elvis Presley.
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"Simple Gifts" is a Shaker song written and composed in 1848 by Elder Joseph Brackett.

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Dan W. Quinn “The Streets Of Cairo”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6A5yJ5Z2Ezw


Will F. Denny “How’d You Like To Be The Iceman”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wv_Zrgza2xM


George J. Gaskin “The Sidewalks Of New York”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aaea5erirME

Would you put The Victorian Era in this category? ???

Would you put The Victorian Era in this category? ???
Yes, The Victorian Era started in 1837 to 1901, the years of Queen Victoria's reign.

Yes, The Victorian Era started in 1837 to 1901, the years of Queen Victoria's reign.


I've never heard of Victorian Era music before.

I've never heard of Victorian Era music before.
Think vaudeville or music hall.

The Symphony for Organ No. 5 in F minor was composed by Charles-Marie Widor in 1879, with numerous revisions published by the composer in later years. The full symphony lasts for about 35 minutes. The Toccata is played at many a wedding.

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"The Sidewalks of New York" is a popular song about life in New York City during the 1890s. It was composed in 1894 by vaudeville actor and singer Charles B. Lawlor (June 2, 1852 – May 31, 1925) with lyrics by James W. Blake. It was an immediate and long-lasting hit and is often considered a theme for New York City. Many artists, including Mel Tormé, Duke Ellington, Larry Groce, Richard Barone, and The Grateful Dead, have performed it. Governor Al Smith of New York used it as a theme song for his failed presidential campaigns of 1920, 1924, and 1928. The song is also known as "East Side, West Side" from the first words of the chorus. The song is featured in a scene in the 1934 Shirley Temple film Little Miss Marker, and more recently in one of the episodes of the Wiggles,

Here sung by Nat 'King' Cole, from the 1950s...

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This one is from the 19th century. I hope that's ok! ;D

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Yes is written in the 19th century (1888), but this topic is music from the 18th century.
I learnt today that the word in this composition "Gymnopédies", derives from the ancient Greek Gymnopaedia, which means 'naked dancing'.  ::) 

The Symphony No. 7 in A major, Op. 92, is a symphony in four movements composed by Ludwig van Beethoven between 1811 and 1812, while improving his health in the Bohemian spa town of Teplice. The work is dedicated to Count Moritz von Fries, and was premiered on 8 December 1813. At its premiere, Beethoven was noted as remarking that it was one of his best works. The second movement, Allegretto, was the most popular movement and had to be encored. The instant popularity of the Allegretto resulted in its frequent performance separate from the complete symphony.

The composer Richard Wagner, referring to the lively rhythms which permeate the work, called it the "apotheosis of the dance". On the other hand, admiration for the work has not been universal. Friedrich Wieck, who was present during rehearsals, said that the consensus, among musicians and laymen alike, was that Beethoven must have composed the symphony in a drunken state; and the conductor Thomas Beecham commented on the fourth movement: "What can you do with it? It's like a lot of yaks jumping about."

Complete:
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2nd Movement, Allegretto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Mi3fcVd4M

The "Ride of the Valkyries" (German: Walkürenritt or Ritt der Walküren) refers to the beginning of act 3 of Die Walküre, the second of the four operas constituting Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen. The complete opera Die Walküre was first performed on 1870 in the National Theatre Munich against the composer's intent.

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Radetzky March, is a march composed by Johann Strauss Sr. and dedicated to Field Marshal Joseph Radetzky von Radetz. First performed on 31 August 1848 in Vienna, it soon became quite popular among regimented marching soldiers. It has been remarked that its tone is more celebratory than martial; Strauss was commissioned to write the piece to commemorate Radetzky's victory at the Battle of Custoza.

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