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Subject: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/18/02 at 04:49 p.m.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/12/18/beatles.battle.ap/index.html

McCartney wants to be billed first now...

In my opinion, Lennon and McCartney were the foundation of the Beatles, as they did like 90% of the work.  George Harrison was also important, since he wrote some songs too.  Ringo was practically useless.  But I don't see why McCartney should switch the credits...or why Lennon has to be billed first even though he's dead.

What thinks thou?

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 12/18/02 at 05:40 p.m.

I don't know. After all Paul is now "Sir Paul." They should just do it alphabeticaly which would leave John with top billing. I do disagree with you about Ringo being usless. He did come up with songs some of their cute songs like "Octopus' Garden." I think they all added to the brillance of the group.


Cat

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/18/02 at 05:44 p.m.


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I don't know. After all Paul is now "Sir Paul." They should just do it alphabeticaly which would leave John with top billing. I do disagree with you about Ringo being usless. He did come up with songs some of their cute songs like "Octopus' Garden." I think they all added to the brillance of the group.


Cat
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I respect your opinion :)  However, I still think Ringo was the crappiest drummer ever to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney

Written By: FussBudgetVanPelt on 12/19/02 at 04:41 a.m.

Dunno Rice - can't comment on the Lennon/McCartney thing as the link won't appear in my browser.... >:(

You are correct that Ringo's technical ability wasn't highly regarded, George Martin had him replaced by session drummer Andy White for the single release of 'Love Me Do'....

But as an overall component of the group, he fit in just fine, and when you look at their songs, their are none really with any complicated drum work that I can think of, so perhaps the wrote with those limitations in mind.  ???

I thought some of Ringo's solo stuff outshone the limited chances he had with the Beatles, songs such as 'Photograph' and "It Don't Come Easy'.....

FB  :)

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/19/02 at 09:47 a.m.

I guess the boy is doing pretty good with his All-Starr band :)  And I guess without Ringo, they wouldn't have had "Help!" the movie's plot :)

Was it "Help!"?  ???  I'm pretty sure it was "Help!"

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney

Written By: JustPassingThrough on 12/19/02 at 02:30 p.m.

Well, first of all, Paul isn't trying to re-write history - he's trying to get credit where is due.  Not only did John not contribute to the writing of Yesterday (for example), he didn't even play on  The Beatles recording of it.  Paul feels a little miffed that John therefore gets first credit under the Lennon-McCartney arrangement - an arrangement made by john and Brian Epstein without Paul's participation.

Anyway, it's nothing new, I have the Please Please Me album on LP and CD, and all the songs (excluding the covers) are credited to McCartney-Lennon on my copies.

Now for Ringo  ;):

13 reasons to respect Ringo - http://web2.iadfw.net/gshultz/bryant.html

Comments about Ringo by other drummers - http://web2.iadfw.net/gshultz/drumpage.html

And let's not forget, Ringo is a left-handed drummer who learnt to play on a right-handed kit set-up (supposedly inspiring at least one rock drummer to drum right-handed on a left-handed set-up, but I forget who).

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: Steve_H on 12/19/02 at 05:33 p.m.

This thread needs a Beatles' geek, bad.  

From the little I've read, one guy would write most of a song and the other would contribute a bridge, or a line, or this or that.  Hard to determine who wrote what.

The only thing positive about this story is its potential to hack Yoko off...

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/19/02 at 07:22 p.m.


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Well, first of all, Paul isn't trying to re-write history - he's trying to get credit where is due.  Not only did John not contribute to the writing of Yesterday (for example), he didn't even play on  The Beatles recording of it.  Paul feels a little miffed that John therefore gets first credit under the Lennon-McCartney arrangement - an arrangement made by john and Brian Epstein without Paul's participation.

Anyway, it's nothing new, I have the Please Please Me album on LP and CD, and all the songs (excluding the covers) are credited to McCartney-Lennon on my copies.

Now for Ringo  ;):

13 reasons to respect Ringo - http://web2.iadfw.net/gshultz/bryant.html

Comments about Ringo by other drummers - http://web2.iadfw.net/gshultz/drumpage.html

And let's not forget, Ringo is a left-handed drummer who learnt to play on a right-handed kit set-up (supposedly inspiring at least one rock drummer to drum right-handed on a left-handed set-up, but I forget who).
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Thanks for the info, JPT :)  I have a friend who is a left-handed drummer too.  I wonder why, if he's left-handed, they didnt' just get him a right-handed set...perhaps they still had an anti-lefty bias back in the day...I know my grandmama beat the left-handedness out of me, although I still play hockey and bat left-handed...

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney

Written By: FussBudgetVanPelt on 12/19/02 at 07:40 p.m.


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I know my grandmama beat the left-handedness out of me, although I still play hockey and bat left-handed...
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Seems then that Grandmama didn't do a thorough enough job then Rice  ;D (just kidding man)  ;)

Nifty website, BTW....

FB :D

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/20/02 at 05:53 p.m.

More a Beatles Freak than geed but....I read an interview with John Lennon way back...in that famous magazine that I only get for the articles....anyway, he went through 90% of Beatles tunes and did his best to separate them into who wrote what.  I understand the agreement between he & Paul but c'mon Yucko...lighten up!  Besides SHE was the idiot who let Michael "Flit-boy" Jackson take the Beatles songs and destroy them by airing horrible re-makes on commercials...something they never wanted to happen.  Oh, and why is it that on one of my Pat Benatar LP's she does a cover of "Helter Skelter" and the credit says...McCartney-Lennon????  No lawsuit there...maybe Yucko was too busy selling out to Whacko-Jacko to catch that ::)

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: My_name_is_Kenny on 12/20/02 at 05:58 p.m.

The Lennon/McCartney label was an business agreement between John and Paul.  Changing it now when one party is dead and unable to dispute it seems pretty ugly to me.

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/20/02 at 08:54 p.m.


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The Lennon/McCartney label was an business agreement between John and Paul.  Changing it now when one party is dead and unable to dispute it seems pretty ugly to me.
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WHY was nothing done to Pat Benatar??

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: Steve_H on 12/21/02 at 02:14 p.m.

My guess is that as long as it was one citation on one song on one album, and as long as both artists were credited, pursuing a lawsuit would have been more bother than it was worth.
It's been forty years of "Lennon-McCartney".  Changing it now seems petty.

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/22/02 at 09:10 a.m.


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My guess is that as long as it was one citation on one song on one album, and as long as both artists were credited, pursuing a lawsuit would have been more bother than it was worth.
It's been forty years of "Lennon-McCartney".  Changing it now seems petty.
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Speaking of Tom Petty....I loved it when, in 1981, he challenged his record label to lower the price of his latest LP ;D

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/22/02 at 09:12 a.m.


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My guess is that as long as it was one citation on one song on one album, and as long as both artists were credited, pursuing a lawsuit would have been more bother than it was worth.
It's been forty years of "Lennon-McCartney".  Changing it now seems petty.
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Well, I would like to know if the songs in question were written by McCartney...if so I don't really see the problem...as for petty...Yuko giving Crazy Mike Beatles songs wasn't just petty...it was a travesty......And Speaking of Tom Petty....I loved it when, in 1981, he challenged his record label to lower the price of his latest LP ;D

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/22/02 at 09:14 a.m.


Quoting:
My guess is that as long as it was one citation on one song on one album, and as long as both artists were credited, pursuing a lawsuit would have been more bother than it was worth.
It's been forty years of "Lennon-McCartney".  Changing it now seems petty.
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Well, I would like to know if the songs in question were written by McCartney...if so I don't really see the problem...as for petty...Yuko giving Crazy Mike Beatles songs wasn't just petty...it was just plain criminal.  Why isn't anyone pissed at her or Jackson for that matter, selling out all the Beatles tunes for commercials when John led the lawsuit with his mates, against Nike back in '87 when they used "Revolution" for one of thier spots?......And Speaking of Tom Petty....I loved it when, in 1981, he challenged his record label to lower the price of his latest LP ;D

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/22/02 at 09:29 a.m.


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Well, I would like to know if the songs in question were written by McCartney...if so I don't really see the problem...as for petty...Yuko giving Crazy Mike Beatles songs wasn't just petty...it was just plain criminal.  Why isn't anyone pissed at her or Jackson for that matter, selling out all the Beatles tunes for commercials when John led the lawsuit with his mates, against Nike back in '87 when they used "Revolution" for one of thier spots?......And Speaking of Tom Petty....I loved it when, in 1981, he challenged his record label to lower the price of his latest LP ;D
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Yoko is a tumor.  Michael Jackson is the metastasis.  And Tom Petty is now my hero, I did not know that, that was really noble of him.

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/22/02 at 09:40 a.m.


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Yoko is a tumor.  Michael Jackson is the metastasis.  And Tom Petty is now my hero, I did not know that, that was really noble of him.
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Yes...I very much like Tom Petty and his standards and beliefs for not Selling Out like Metallica, Skynard ect. But what really upsets me is the FACT that the Beatles did NOT want thier songs used in commercials...Yucko Knows this as does Flit-boy and yet everyone seems to forget that and jump on Yucko's band wagon when she gets all bent out of shape (Probably an improvement over the way she looks now) over Paul switching the credits.  Are the songs in question ones that were written by him when with the Beatles or by John?  If John wrote any and Paul wants his name first on THOSE then I will be the first in line to be upset with him.

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: JustPassingThrough on 12/23/02 at 02:30 p.m.

Quoting:Speaking of Tom Petty....I loved it when, in 1981, he challenged his record label to lower the price of his latest LP ;D
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Of course, George Harrison had already done this in 1970, with All Things Must Pass.

Subject: Re: Paul McCartney "rewriting" Beatles history?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/23/02 at 02:34 p.m.


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Of course, George Harrison had already done this in 1970, with All Things Must Pass.


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Well I already like George...I like anyone who stands up to the greedy bastards in the record industry.