it seems like to me, it was a gradual process that started in the 60's, and reached its full peak by the time Miley Cyrus was popular.  ;D

it seems like to me, it was a gradual process that started in the 60's, and reached its full peak by the time Miley Cyrus was popular.  ;D


I think it started in the late 1910's (c. 1919) women started wearing shorter skirts; then by the 1920's it started to become a trend. And the trend went into the 1930's. Sorry if I'm wrong; because I'm not sure if only flappers wore short skirts or if regular women wore it also.

Then the depression and WWII kinda brang us back to conservatism in the 40's and 50's. But then came the 60's and like you said we became trashier every year.

I think about the late 1910's or 1920's was when we started becoming trashy.  :)

I think it started in the late 1910's (c. 1919) women started wearing shorter skirts; then by the 1920's it started to become a trend. And the trend went into the 1930's. Sorry if I'm wrong; because I'm not sure if only flappers wore short skirts or if regular women wore it also.

Then the depression and WWII kinda brang us back to conservatism in the 40's and 50's. But then came the 60's and like you said we became trashier every year.

I think about the late 1910's or 1920's was when we started becoming trashy.  :)


Interesting ... and I think you may be correct! The world did get more risque before cleaning up their at (on the surface at least). Then the 60's came, free love etc etc and eventually we produced Britney Spears and co ...with every 2nd young girl dressing like a tart (and the young boys loving it). That is a recipe for a whole lot of pain!

I also believe there is a movement under way to 'clean up' again. Surely, it can't get too much worse... :o

There is a difference between folk culture and mass media culture.  Folk culture since the ancient times always had a dirty side to it.  Men found ways to amuse themselves.  Your wife, your kids, and your minister never had to know!  I've heard racist records from 1904 using the words "coon," "n*gg*r," dago, and mick!  The morality police tried to stop the distribution of pornography and banned books (such as James Joyce's "Ulysses").  They applied onerous postal codes but smut still got around.  The Hays office, I mentioned in another thread, kept the movies and TV free of dirty words and sexual suggestions for decades.  The FCC was also militantly strict about their broadcast codes.  You could not swear -- not even hell or damn -- in pop music until the sixties.  The loosening of FCC standards and the ouster of the Hays office helped musicians and film makers create more frank and realistic art.  Unfortunately, it also set loose a tide of pornographic swill. 

Take it back to the early printing press.  You could get smut books for 200 years before you could get science books!  Of course the first thing the public is going to do with Internet is turn it into a home peepshow!  That's what we're dealing with now.  I think kids see a lot of stuff they really shouldn't see and they see it on the Internet.  My sisters were irritated with each other because my nieces saw some Internet porn.  If you let your kids use the Internet, they are going to see porn.  I didn't say so, I just thought it. 

I think the pop culture is trashy in a scary way now.  It's much edgier and much egotistical than it used to be.  In the old days, you sneaked out and saw a dirty movie.  You didn't make your own dirty movie with your girlfriend (or boyfriend) unless you were Bob Crane or a Swiss millionaire playboy.  Now with the Internet I amend Andy Warhol's famous prediction.  Warhol said "In the future everybody will be famous, but only for fifteen minutes."  I say, in the future, everybody will be in a porno video for fifteen minutes!
:D

Interesting ... and I think you may be correct! The world did get more risque before cleaning up their at (on the surface at least). Then the 60's came, free love etc etc and eventually we produced Britney Spears and co ...with every 2nd young girl dressing like a tart (and the young boys loving it). That is a recipe for a whole lot of pain!

I also believe there is a movement under way to 'clean up' again. Surely, it can't get too much worse... :o
I haven;t seen a girl dressing like Britney Spears in years. Thats like 1999-2000.

Yeah once the Reality Shows get off of Cable TV "the clean-up" will be complete! Thank god the nasty rap video's of clad women are gone!

There is a difference between folk culture and mass media culture.  Folk culture since the ancient times always had a dirty side to it.  Men found ways to amuse themselves.  Your wife, your kids, and your minister never had to know!  I've heard racist records from 1904 using the words "coon," "n*gg*r," dago, and mick!  The morality police tried to stop the distribution of pornography and banned books (such as James Joyce's "Ulysses").  They applied onerous postal codes but smut still got around.  The Hays office, I mentioned in another thread, kept the movies and TV free of dirty words and sexual suggestions for decades.  The FCC was also militantly strict about their broadcast codes.  You could not swear -- not even hell or damn -- in pop music until the sixties.  The loosening of FCC standards and the ouster of the Hays office helped musicians and film makers create more frank and realistic art.  Unfortunately, it also set loose a tide of pornographic swill. 

Take it back to the early printing press.  You could get smut books for 200 years before you could get science books!  Of course the first thing the public is going to do with Internet is turn it into a home peepshow!  That's what we're dealing with now.  I think kids see a lot of stuff they really shouldn't see and they see it on the Internet.  My sisters were irritated with each other because my nieces saw some Internet porn.  If you let your kids use the Internet, they are going to see porn.  I didn't say so, I just thought it. 

I think the pop culture is trashy in a scary way now.  It's much edgier and much egotistical than it used to be.  In the old days, you sneaked out and saw a dirty movie.  You didn't make your own dirty movie with your girlfriend (or boyfriend) unless you were Bob Crane or a Swiss millionaire playboy.  Now with the Internet I amend Andy Warhol's famous prediction.  Warhol said "In the future everybody will be famous, but only for fifteen minutes."  I say, in the future, everybody will be in a porno video for fifteen minutes!
:D


I don't think it'll get that bad that everybody will make porno videos of themselves, but then again I've been wrong in the past.

I don't think it'll get that bad that everybody will make porno videos of themselves, but then again I've been wrong in the past.



I'm pretty sure I won't be making a porno movie.  I don't own a web cam or a recorder of any type. That's right...you come over to my place nad there are no home movies to suffer through!  8)

I haven;t seen a girl dressing like Britney Spears in years. Thats like 1999-2000.

Yeah once the Reality Shows get off of Cable TV "the clean-up" will be complete! Thank god the nasty rap video's of clad women are gone!


But the young girls (in Australia , at least) still wear very short skits with tops that show far more cleavage than most males can muster the disciple to NOT stare at.  It is not a very classy look ...and sends a very mixed message.

As a guy...I think it's wonderful....but as a Dad, I wish the fashion would change.

Also...it's not even practical. This winter, I have seen girls dressed in this fashion without warm clothing...while the guys with them are dressed warmly. It just doesn't make any sense to me.... :-\\

I'm pretty sure I won't be making a porno movie.  I don't own a web cam or a recorder of any type. That's right...you come over to my place nad there are no home movies to suffer through!  8)


Uh-huh-huh, you said nad.
:D

Uh-huh-huh, you said nad.
:D


So I see....Freudian slip perhaps? ;D

I'm pretty sure I won't be making a porno movie.  I don't own a web cam or a recorder of any type. That's right...you come over to my place nad there are no home movies to suffer through!  8)


No childhood memories?  :-[ Doesn't that make you depress?

it seems like to me, it was a gradual process that started in the 60's, and reached its full peak by the time Miley Cyrus was popular.  ;D


That sounds about right.

This topic did make me think of this song though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5wcLl13a8s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5wcLl13a8s
Cole Porter

Monty Python's version of Cole Porter's "Anything Goes"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4vn-XLr6ic

When you started this poll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4vn-XLr6ic


Geez they were idiots!!  ;D ;D ;D

Geez they were idiots!!  ;D ;D ;D


I was just telling my niece to stop wearing her napkin like a turban at the restaurant earlier tonight!  Fine example we set, watching all that Monty Python!
:D :D

I was just telling my niece to stop wearing her napkin like a turban at the restaurant earlier tonight!  Fine example we set, watching all that Monty Python!
:D :D


It's only funny when non-related people do that stuff!!!  ;D

When Jerry Springer's show started to become really popular.

;D

Monty Python upset a lot of people.  My grandparents loved it, but they were always present and progressive on issues.  I remember more staid relatives being quite offended by our new-found Python wit!

We could burn her, bury her, or dump her.
Dump her?
...in the Thames.

The sketch runs on until the funeral director convinces him to eat his mother's corpse.  I was stunned to find out how many people found that kind of thing obscenely offensive and how DARE they!
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...and reached its full peak by the time Miley Cyrus was popular.  ;D


I hope this is true, I really do. If pop culture got any trashier I honestly would be really scared.

Another unanswerable question, what you really would say is the definition of what is trashy has changed over time. There was a time when a woman showing too much ankle was considered "trashy".

Another unanswerable question, what you really would say is the definition of what is trashy has changed over time. There was a time when a woman showing too much ankle was considered "trashy".


And that's why it's scary. There's no sense of limitation and without limitation(s) people are going to expand that definition and that gives permition for pop culture to get worse. I hope for future parents that they won't have to worry if their daughter is gonna watch a (literally) naked popstar or if pop culture gets so bad that there's pornography as 'art' in musicvideos. And that's why I pray that it doesn't get that bad.

And that's why it's scary. There's no sense of limitation and without limitation(s) people are going to expand that definition and that gives permition for pop culture to get worse. I hope for future parents that they won't have to worry if their daughter is gonna watch a (literally) naked popstar or if pop culture gets so bad that there's pornography as 'art' in musicvideos. And that's why I pray that it doesn't get that bad.

Well the rap video's from 1997-mid 2005 were porn-lite!

Well the rap video's from 1997-mid 2005 were porn-lite!


Oh yeah, I remember those. They stop being too risque starting around 2005 or 2006.

^ BET used to do this hilarious non sequitur.  They would show the sleaziest quasi-porn booty-shaking hip-hop videos and then segue into Pentecostal preachers screaming fire and brimstone.  So they'd get the guys all hot and randy until the wee hours and then put on some howling Holy Joe to tell them they were all gonna burn in hell for lust of the flesh.

The network seemed to be oblivious to the comical contrast!
::)

^ BET used to do this hilarious non sequitur.  They would show the sleaziest quasi-porn booty-shaking hip-hop videos and then segue into Pentecostal preachers screaming fire and brimstone.  So they'd get the guys all hot and randy until the wee hours and then put on some howling Holy Joe to tell them they were all gonna burn in hell for lust of the flesh.

The network seemed to be oblivious to the comical contrast!
::)


;D ;D ;D

^ BET used to do this hilarious non sequitur.  They would show the sleaziest quasi-porn booty-shaking hip-hop videos and then segue into Pentecostal preachers screaming fire and brimstone.  So they'd get the guys all hot and randy until the wee hours and then put on some howling Holy Joe to tell them they were all gonna burn in hell for lust of the flesh.

The network seemed to be oblivious to the comical contrast!
::)
Your post is funny!

Monty Python is just as trashy as South Park, wouldn't you agree? But since it's old now, it's seen as being more kid-friendly.

Monty Python is just as trashy as South Park, wouldn't you agree? But since it's old now, it's seen as being more kid-friendly.


There is a peculiar American darkness in "South Park" not present in Monty Python.  Other than that, the Pythons had no trouble with cheap sex jokes, scatology, blasphemy, inanity, and hundred other presentations of moral turp-ee-tude!
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Monty Python was built on an ingenious capacity to blend low-brow nastiness with high-brow cruelty.  Monty Python came from Oxford and Cambridge.  "South Park" comes courtesy of two kids from Littleton.  Comedy contenders are unlikely to replicate Monty Python the way no other rock band will replicate The Beatles.  The sixties did have a brief renaissance in which people valued the arts, human rights, world peach and such.  A buddy of mine is 31.  He was brought up in kind of a jock household and never exposed to the counterculture.  He's a really bright guy, but he just doesn't get Monty Python.  He totally hates it.  He describes it as "dry" when most Python is outlandish and silly.  The "dry" part is the part he didn't get.  He knew there were cultural/literary references he wasn't getting.  That can be frustrating, as it can be with Woody Allen or Lenny Bruce.

There is a peculiar American darkness in "South Park" not present in Monty Python.  Other than that, the Pythons had no trouble with cheap sex jokes, scatology, blasphemy, inanity, and hundred other presentations of moral turp-ee-tude!
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Monty Python was built on an ingenious capacity to blend low-brow nastiness with high-brow cruelty.  Monty Python came from Oxford and Cambridge.  "South Park" comes courtesy of two kids from Littleton.  Comedy contenders are unlikely to replicate Monty Python the way no other rock band will replicate The Beatles.  The sixties did have a brief renaissance in which people valued the arts, human rights, world peach and such.  A buddy of mine is 31.  He was brought up in kind of a jock household and never exposed to the counterculture.  He's a really bright guy, but he just doesn't get Monty Python.  He totally hates it.  He describes it as "dry" when most Python is outlandish and silly.  The "dry" part is the part he didn't get.  He knew there were cultural/literary references he wasn't getting.  That can be frustrating, as it can be with Woody Allen or Lenny Bruce.


I once knew a girl who didn't think Monty Python was funny. I thought she was crazy and guess what? I'm 21!

I once knew a girl who didn't think Monty Python was funny. I thought she was crazy and guess what? I'm 21!


Contrary to the retrospective pop cultural references, the hip kids did not recite Monty Python in high school.  The "hip" kids listened to Hüsker Dü, grew goatees, and did their best James Dean  Quoting Monty Python was for true misfits such as me and my friend Todd.  Geek, geek, geek!
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I once knew a girl who didn't think Monty Python was funny. I thought she was crazy and guess what? I'm 21!


I'm sorry, is this the right thread for an argument?

There is a peculiar American darkness in "South Park" not present in Monty Python.  Other than that, the Pythons had no trouble with cheap sex jokes, scatology, blasphemy, inanity, and hundred other presentations of moral turp-ee-tude!
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Monty Python was built on an ingenious capacity to blend low-brow nastiness with high-brow cruelty.  Monty Python came from Oxford and Cambridge.  "South Park" comes courtesy of two kids from Littleton.  Comedy contenders are unlikely to replicate Monty Python the way no other rock band will replicate The Beatles.  The sixties did have a brief renaissance in which people valued the arts, human rights, world peach and such.  A buddy of mine is 31.  He was brought up in kind of a jock household and never exposed to the counterculture.  He's a really bright guy, but he just doesn't get Monty Python.  He totally hates it.  He describes it as "dry" when most Python is outlandish and silly.  The "dry" part is the part he didn't get.  He knew there were cultural/literary references he wasn't getting.  That can be frustrating, as it can be with Woody Allen or Lenny Bruce.


I agree that there are 'darker' differences between the two. I, personally, thought the Pythons to be much funnier...but then I was younger (and less guarded). I either thought it was funny...or not. I now find myself not allowing my younger kids to watch South Park at all...  I let them watch The Holy Grail when they were 15 (and they liked the movie).

I can't tell you how pleased I was when I came across some 16 year old boys reciting the "Dead Parrot" Python skit verbatim a year or so ago...  I piped up with "Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!"  ...and we all broke up laughing.  For one brief moment the generation gaps merged!

When you started this poll


Agreed!  Who is this guy?

I swear that Monty Python were on SOMETHING to come up with the sh!t they came up with. Just like with the original SNL Not Ready For Prime Time Players-it does help if you are on SOMETHING when you watch.  ;) :D ;D ;D ;D




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I agree that there are 'darker' differences between the two. I, personally, thought the Pythons to be much funnier...but then I was younger (and less guarded). I either thought it was funny...or not. I now find myself not allowing my younger kids to watch South Park at all...  I let them watch The Holy Grail when they were 15 (and they liked the movie).

I can't tell you how pleased I was when I came across some 16 year old boys reciting the "Dead Parrot" Python skit verbatim a year or so ago...  I piped up with "Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!"  ...and we all broke up laughing.  For one brief moment the generation gaps merged!


I was brought up on Monty Python, Firesign Theater, George Carlin, Cheech & Chong, and Frank Zappa.  Then I had to learn how not to offend people!
:P

I'm sorry, is this the right thread for an argument?


No offense, but what argument? I was agreeing with MaxwellSmart that Monty Python was good.

No offense, but what argument? I was agreeing with MaxwellSmart that Monty Python was good.


Oh, all right then!  All three of us were in complete agreement all along.  Good evening. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

(Sorry, the thread's five days are up.  If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay me for the next five days...)

(Sorry, the thread's five days are up.  If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay me for the next five days...)


That was never five days!
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No offense, but what argument? I was agreeing with MaxwellSmart that Monty Python was good.


  No you weren't...

   No you weren't...


He most certainly was!

Oh, all right then!  All three of us were in complete agreement all along.  Good evening. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

(Sorry, the thread's five days are up.  If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay me for the next five days...)


You guys are a hoot. That's why I love this website!  :D

   No you weren't...


Ha ha ha!  ;D

Pop culture being trashy=Monty Python. Yup, I see it.  :D ;D ;D ;D




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Charlie Parker would have been 90 yesterday.
Michael Jackson would have been 52.

Pop culture got trashy somewhere between Charlie Parker and Michael Jackson.
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Pop culture being trashy=Monty Python. Yup, I see it.  :D ;D ;D ;D




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Is The Lumberjack Song trashy?

Is The Lumberjack Song trashy?


I skip and jump
  I wear high heels
    suspenders and a BRA!
I wish I'd been a girlie
  just like my dear ma-MA!

I don't know?  Is it?
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